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Manchester!!!

SamhainGrim said:
If you visited one of their dreary, godforsaken, wretched mill-town up in "t'hills" you'd understand.

There is no taste around there. Nor any hope. Just brass band contests and Whit Walks to look forward to, antisocial behaviour from bunches of kids who can only see civilisation by going to the top of the nearest moor, and maybe a beating from an overweight, fortysomething biker at the Saturday rock night at the Horse & Fuckwit.

It's a sense of despair I sometimes like to take in like a tourist on short train journeys out there when the weather's good. Worthwhile for having a good smirk and getting regarded with pronounced suspicion in the local pubs.
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Thanks, but think I'm just gonna take your word for it. Especially as that lifestory seems written into everyone's accent no matter who speaks. And I know not everyone can speak with the same standard accent but it's just something different.

Also, another thing is that I'm mostly used to hearing urban accents and don't really like that countryside-ish thing. And all urban accents sound the same and we can relate, no matter what country you live, it's a bit hard to explain. Not that someone from Lancs can't be urban but they sure as hell don't sound like they should be. Guess I just have sensitive ears.

And I think all Manchester accents are cute from what I've heard, posh or not, but some are prettier than others. Not to be prejudiced, but it's the only Northern accent that's really accessible to outsiders, and that's just how it is. With some you almost might as well be talking to someone from London as they don't really stand out much on their own.
 
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Ninae said:
Also, another thing is that I'm mostly used to hearing urban accents and don't really like that countryside-ish thing. And all urban accents sound the same and we can relate, no matter what country you live, it's a bit hard to explain. Not that someone from Lancs can't be urban but they sure as hell don't sound like they should be. Guess I just have sensitive ears.
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Nah, I pretty much know what you mean. There are some pretty interesting accent divides around here that run along ancient boundaries like "The Snipe", where everybody east of the snipe talked like a Lancastrian and everybody west more what-became-Mancunian.

Some of it can even be traced back to the skirmishes between the Danes and the Saxons that went on, and some Old Norse slang lives on in unlikely places. All with a massive influence from Flemish, Irish, Italians and various Yiddish-speaking peoples as industrialisation took hold.

It's something I get excited about, but don't mention at parties, if you know what I mean.
 
Interesting, I'm Viking and can recognise some sounds, especially from Norwegian. But I think the standard English accent sounds more German, or, reminds me of that haughty German accent like it evolved from that. There also seems to be more blue-eyed or people of Northern European origin in the North.
 
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It's weird, because the North is also full of enclaves of people with dark hair, dark eyes and pale complexions, like Cumbria. Supposedly the descendants of the original settlers from the Basque country, whose blood never quite intermingled with the incomers, and pretty much similar to the people of North Wales, parts of Ireland and other places that genetic influence has lingered.

English definitely sounds High-German. In a peculiar and quaint manner.
 
Oop North is a place rarely seen by I. Have been to Mancunia a coupla times though. With mixed results...

* Possibly the best blowie ever (from first ever girlfriend when I visted her after long absence)
* Definitely the first ever public dumping (from the same lass shortly afterwards (incidents not related))
* Only place me teenage band "toured" (One Night Only, folks)
* Was shite: singer's sister's wedding, we had to kip in a tent in his old dear's garden and they only let me onstage for the *ahem" encore (which was a cover of Guns 'n' Roses' cover of Knockin' on Heaven's Door which I fuckin' loathed at least as much then as I do now)
* The night out we had prior to the "gig" ended up with us sharing a room at a b&b attempting to be rockstars by using the Gideon Bible left there as both toilet paper and kindling
* I got so annoyed listening to me mate's mate and his missus shagging in the tent that I went for a walk through some posh bit of Manchester just before dawn and ended up deciding to have a wank by a tree as the mists rose
* Bought massively overpriced Velvet Underground T-shirt from Affleck's Palace
* Saw Jamiroquai at Manc Uni when he was significantly less of a twat than he was a month or so after we saw him
* The smell of weed getting of the bus (or train - can't recall now) and being harrangued by wasted baggies trying to sell broken records and brick dust on that bit of park/grassy patch opposite whichever station it was
 
Shambles said:
(which was a cover of Guns 'n' Roses' cover of Knockin' on Heaven's Door which I fuckin' loathed at least as much then as I do now)
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I still maintain that cover has merit for sheer misplaced Axl-chutzpah, if little else.

Otherwise, yeah - that's the Manchester I grew up in, and one that's sadly receding: piece by rotten-arse-gentrified piece. =D
 
Forgot to mention that at least two of these occasions involved staying in Salford (cos that was where Uni students lived... at least the one of the aforementioned Ultimate Blowie fame <3)

Can't say I really noticed which bits were Manchester and which were Salford to be honest. Cos... <3

PS: On the "Ultimate Blowie" thang, it probably wasn't the best ever really. But I did manage to hit a wall a good 10' away towards the end of the show which is still a record to this day. I suspect youthful enthusisasm won out over technique... but technique was clearly good enough to be worth a demi-anecdote 20-odd years later :D

PPS: Ya, the main reason "we" decided to cover that godawful shite was so the G'n'R fanboy lead guitarist got to fretwank for public... pleasure... rather than private misery.
 
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SamhainGrim said:
It's weird, because the North is also full of enclaves of people with dark hair, dark eyes and pale complexions, like Cumbria. Supposedly the descendants of the original settlers from the Basque country, whose blood never quite intermingled with the incomers, and pretty much similar to the people of North Wales, parts of Ireland and other places that genetic influence has lingered.

English definitely sounds High-German. In a peculiar and quaint manner.
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I've also noticed that very dark hair/pale skin combination (with either dark brown or blue eyes) and it's definetely a different physical type. I guess what might be called "Celtic" or some mixture of that.

Some of very small built, even males. Think used to be called "The Little People". Not something that I'm used to seeing. Nordics are of a more golden or ivory skintone and that blinding white skin is not really seen.

I think English sounds more Northern German and not really of that softer, Southern type.
 
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The mini-Celt folks - especially from Oop North... and Wales... and especially north of the border - I've known mostly claim Pictish ancestery. Short, pale, dark-haired, blue/green-eyed, perfect cheekbones. But extremely short. And quite hairy. And very large chips on at least one of their shoulders.
 
Picts were fucking weirdos. :D

As a Plastic Paddy I have a curiosity for migrations in and out of the 'British' Isles over the years, y'know? And as a Manc, it has an extra significance.
 
Dunno what my ancestry is really. Know as far back as me grandparents and they were a mix of Welsh, Geordie (well, up 'round that way and forget the name for Sunderlandians) and Laaaandoner. Beyond that I suspect it could be traced back to various parts of Europe. Prior to that back to bits of Africa. Before that we woz but one.

And ya, Picts (at least those I've known to claim such as ancestry) were a tad odd. And short. And with killer cheekbones.
 
I get killer cheekbones through having a mother with nowt much to offer her kids except killer cheekbones and huge doe eyes. Her lot were from Mayo, my dad's from Cork. My skin is milk-white and I'm built like a gazelle.

So maybe there's a bit of that weird ancestry, although I must say that I'm pretty lacking in the body hair department, both through genetics and personal grooming prefrences. And I'm talking strictly torso here.

Pictish though? I don't know... Prickish? Certainly.
 
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My killer cheekbones were the only reason I even ever bothered posting semi-pics of me demi-covered fiz. Say what ya like 'bout Class A drug addiction but it's deeply favourable to one's cheekbones <3

And hips.

Dunno what you'd describe me features as these days really. Lopsided mostly I suspect. Depending on how fuxxorred. You can actually measure my level of fuckedness in millimetres by metering how high and how far the left side of me chops are twisted and twirled above and beyond the right side. Probably a fairly inividual kinda thang not overly related to ancestry though...

Also, wot's a Manc thread without a classic Manchoon or two...?
 
Shambles said:
Say what ya like 'bout Class A drug addiction but it's deeply favourable to one's cheekbones <3

And hips.
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Ain't that the (somewhat grim) truth.

And yeah, Manc Choons! But not by as butchered by The Libertines, okay? You bastard! :D
 
I love the way Robbie Williams only admitted he was from Stoke once he'd made it. :D

Despite not having had a habit to speak of since late 2010 and even then it was just an accident from too much oxy and meeting the 'wrong' people at the wrong time, I'm still comfortable in 28" waist skinny jeans. If you have any items of vintage trouserage (paticularly leather) which you may wish to offload for a profit then I'm yer mug. ;)

And for Manc choonage, how about: this?
 
Manchoon of Joy is that, Sam <3

Have a wide selection of 28-30" waist kecks for your <3 and enjoyment. Don't think there's any leather but loadsa suede 'n' silk 'n' stripes 'n' stuff. Was somewhat... *ahem*... flamboyant in me dress sense back then. And still would be if owt decent ever fit a fat fuck :!

For Manchoon<3, Hit the North <3
 
Ninae said:
Think I just saw an interview with him that made me wonder how anyone who has lived a rockstar life could look that way? That's some impressive genes.
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Don't think I meant he looks young as much as he looks good for his age. Just saw some clips of him when he was young and he looks the same, just a more aged version of himself. Most guys won't look that good. Depends on things like hormone balance, if they keep their hair, put on weight, etc. But he must have great health to look that good after the life that he's lived. Guess he's always been a rockstar.
 
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