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Manchester Arena explosion: 22 killed in 'terror attack by suicide bomber' at concer

People on a watchlist and any human in our countries are innocent until proven guilty. You can't lock innocent people up on suspicion. And that is why we have watchlists.

How long before we are all suspects? I'm not keen to give the government this power.
 
Ffs what is it with people here just wanting to argue!!
I clearly state that ONCE PROVEN GUILTY.....
no one saying lock up inocent people swillow.
 
^^ Heard that podcast earlier. Thought it was a good discussion, and feel a little frustrated these discussions aren't more widespread and mainstream (sometimes Radio 4 has a few in the afternoon or after 4am but not often).
 
If anyone notices that their post vanishes, its probably because it was insulting. We're not going to resort to attacking each other here.

Soso78 said:
Ffs what is it with people here just wanting to argue!!
I clearly state that ONCE PROVEN GUILTY.....
no one saying lock up inocent people swillow.
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Right, but you did write this:

Soso78 said:
I think they should change it from a watch list to hit list, once theyre on it theyre either imprisoned or deported along with anyone who helped them.
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Its not at all clear that someone being innocent or not is important to you here.
 
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If it not clear don't just assume the worst, ask me.
To be fair they don't get on these terror suspect lists for nothing.
Some will openly support Isis and still nothing gets done about it.
Google Isis supporters in the uk.
 
Shifting the goalposts? Your post was actually pretty clear. I suspect you are backing away from it.

Of course, people are put on watchlists for a reason. But its not a proclamation of guilt.

Due process protects these people- and you and I.
 
Make your fuckin mind up, one post you say "it's not at all clear" and the next post you say "your post was actually pretty clear"
Your very forgiving of these cunts considering you are scared to go out your own house.
Scared to be around people but don't want to do anything to make things better in any way.

FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL ALL THATS NEEDED IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING.
You heard that saying before?
Too many cowards and pussies.
 
^ so what are you actually doing about it soso78?

and posting on bluelight doesn't count because i'm doing that and, apprently, i'm a coward or a pussy for some reason...

seriously, what are you doing?

alasdair
 
To start with I'm not being a pussy. That's the first step, public opinion is changing wether you like it or not, people are getting sick of this shit now and that will begin to show in the way people vote, people will want leaders with the balls to stand up to these people.
I'm not doing anything but at least I want something to be done, some fuckin wankers don't want anyone to do anything by the looks of it.
 
CFC said:
^^ Heard that podcast earlier. Thought it was a good discussion, and feel a little frustrated these discussions aren't more widespread and mainstream (sometimes Radio 4 has a few in the afternoon or after 4am but not often).
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Douglas is one of the few commentators who holds these rational and well articulated views who actually gets air time on mainstream outlets. The media and politicians have been absolutely dreadful in covering this conversation because they're bound by PC and multiculturalism ideology.

He says the same thing I've been saying here. If we don't tackle this now, the problem is going to get away from us and jungle law will prevail.

Watchlists are not good enough, Swillow. The Muslim community at large has not done enough, and our tolerance has been used against us. Innocent until proven guilty, but we can not afford to in this instance to simply wait for the inevitable to happen over and over. That's not good enough.

I will be plain. I don't like Islam. I don't like what it stands for and in my view it has demonstrated its incompatibility with western culture sufficiently at this point. We tried, but integration has failed. Yes there are nice muslim individuals but we can't treat them all collectively as individuals.. there are wider social forces at work that are in direct conflict and opposition to our culture and our value system that islam as a collective is opposed to.

And I can't lie, my gut feeling has always told me that whilst they are all smiles and nice, when it comes down to it they will always choose islam over western values. You don't have to be smart to figure out why that is very bad thing.
 
The only thing anyone without the capacity to represent their country can do is show defiance and not let this terrorist action stop them living their lives.


A lot of people were scared to fly after 911. But people still have to travel.

The tourists stayed away from bali after the bali attacks. They started going back and didnt let them win.

All us Aussies can do is keep going overseas and travelling. This wont stop us coming over and visiting London or Paris in the wake of the bombs and guns.

Sorry FUBAR and SOSO m8s.

Aussies are annoying little buggers when overseas but screw those terrorists and screw their issues.


Everyone here loves London and Ive been there a few times.

All I will do is not drink Fosters or go to the Wakkabout. Suck on that terrorists!
 
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Make your fuckin mind up, one post you say "it's not at all clear" and the next post you say "your post was actually pretty clear"
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It wasn't clear that you care about due process. It actually seemed relatively clear that you don't.

Your very forgiving of these cunts considering you are scared to go out your own house.
Scared to be around people but don't want to do anything to make things better in any way.
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Nice insults dude. What makes you think I'm scared to leave my house? Because I said I don't really like humans? Lot of assumptions mate. If it makes you feel better to denigrate me, go for it, you're a stranger to me. Whatever.

I know you're not doing anything to "fix" this problem so not sure why you're attacking me for this. You're a dude who gets drunk and posts rants on a drug forum.

I'm not talking about forgiveness, you're inventing shit there. I personally don't believe in persecuting a group of people based on the actions of a very small.minority.

FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL ALL THATS NEEDED IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING.
You heard that saying before?
Too many cowards and pussies.
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Giving in to your innate bias is weak as piss imo. Its easy. Trying to avoid knee jerk bullshit is difficult and requires a bit of mental fortitude. It requires you to apply logic and reason and question your emotional response. This is challenging for many people who take the easy and unthinking way and give into their emotions.

I wish you could drop the ad-homs, its fucking tedious. It makes me believe that you don't have an argument. If you, or anyone, continue you'll get infracted..
 
What's knee jerk swillow, you seem to think my views are in reaction to the Manchester attack, they're not, it's the same thing I've been saying for years.

I don't think any of my posts have been extreme in any way.
I'm saying to clamp down on people like hate preachers, terrorist and people coming back to the uk after fighting along side Isis in places like Syria.

I haven't got a problem with due process, not sure why you think I have, lots of people on the watchlist.
To get on the list they need to do something wrong, all I'm saying is it's not enough to just put them on a list.
Getting sick of hearing that the people carrying out these attacks were known to police.
Everyone knew this guy was radicalised, and all his mates too. No one did anything about it.
If it can be proved people support Isis they should be treated like criminals and prosecuted. Make a video to celebrate terror attacks and your done.

swillow if you want to infract me then do it.

Swillow
Space junk
Alasdair
Your whole attitude towards these things makes me believe you are weak people.

I'm not saying you should go out and physically do anything but your attitudes are a fuckin joke.
I'm just glad to see there's plenty of people that share my views and are showing a bit of backbone.
 
^You're insults and constant obfuscation is getting old, mate. If it makes you feel better though, go for it. :\

Calling us weak is just irrelevant nonsense. You're not tough or strong for holding to the views that you do. You're simply following the masses.

Anyway, lets move on.
 
Rmikhail, please don't post that sort of bullshit here. I have unapproved your post. Its really innappropriate. This really is not a laughing matter. :\

I vanished a few posts that referred to it too.

Carry on I suppose . . . :)
 
British news sources now reporting 116 people treated in hospital, 75 still in hospital and 23 in critical care. Minute of silence throughout German cities.
 
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It's fuckin sickening that I've been saying the same thing for years and even when terrible things like this happen people too scared to do anything.
If during world war 2 a German living in the uk came out as supporting Hitler and the nazi party he would have been fucked. Isis supporters living in uk given house benefits and free health care.

The security forces know who to target so why not do everything possible to fuck them up in every way?
Human rights cunts get upset though.
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This is a different scenario but comparable and could work.

When the Commonwealth games come to Australia there is a zone declared around the main arena of 10kms (from memory) which has been declared a zone that for a few weeks prior and during the games, all property can be entered at any time without a warrant if there is suspicion of terrorist activity.

This means anyones house garden shed meth lab anything.

So if any activity is going on and known about by tapping phones etc a property can be raided.

It also means it can be used to expose other shit too but fuck it the drug labs have notice and can move to the burbs.


Unfortunately some freedoms that we take for granted are just not as important as reducing the risk of terrorists.


Something has to be done.
 
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zephyr said:
This is a different scenario but comparable and could work.

Unfortunately some freedoms that we take for granted are just not as important as reducing the risk of terrorists.

Something has to be done.
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Exactly. This idea that we have to remain static and inflexible is nonsense.. whilst laws are important they are man made ethereal constructs. If a man breaks in and threatens your family the law can't protect you in the moment, only your actions can, and in that very real moment you have no doubts.. its either him or my family.

We can't afford to wait until after the fact, for the justice system to dispense justice, because these people are prepared to die and take civilians with them. The only justice deterrence that would work would be to kill them first via death penalty, even then I'm not convinced it would work as their ideology is too strong.

Just because these individuals reside in this country does not mean they are truely British citizens. 100 years ago this kind of nonsense would be regarded as treason. We've become so soft its embarrassing. It truely is. Rights and freedoms are granted to citizens who believe in our value system, even those who have issues with it as most of us do, but those who actively wish death and destruction of the innocent from a clearly alien value system? We should not tolerate that. They are not arguing from a place of logic or reason, or to actively improve our values or nation.. they intend the opposite, the subversion and replacement of it with a foreign system.

Guy Fawkes and the Catholic church tried that. The same punishment should be exacted for these people. It would even be fitting with their backwards medieval practices.
 
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