Manchester Arena explosion: 22 killed in 'terror attack by suicide bomber' at concer

[Soso78]

Doesn't matter who it was directed at it's still hypocritical. Your spouting your left wing shit as usual so you can't really talk.

 

[-=SS=-]

For what it's worth, i put islamic terrorists and people advocating hard-line authoritarianism (as you are) in the exact same category.

Firstly I don't wish or plot to kill anyone. Second I'm talking about justifiable, rational and proportional responses to actual events and threats, not a shift towards authoritarianism. Stop jumping to the extreme every time, its predictable and trite mate.

I must say though, fair play to the far-right - the gleeful gloating ("i've been saying this for years...") is quite simply ghoulish, and true to form.
Never slow to take an opportunity to exploit peoples' suffering for their own nefarious agendas. Admirable quality that. Consistency innit?

Your script is really tiring SJ. You follow the same narrative and repeat the same worn out nonsense over and over. No one is gloating.. we were right and we told you 10 years ago.. its anger and frustration that people like yourself are holding us back from being able to tackle the issue at hand by your use of soft nonsense.

It comes through in all your posts. You are now pissing into the wind. Times are changing. Time to admit you were wrong.

 

[swilow]

Read it again. There's another option in my post.

I read it mate. That's insane, killing or imprisoning people because they are on a watch list. Not gonna happen, not worth discussing.

 

[Wolfsangel 88]

It's fuckin sickening that I've been saying the same thing for years and even when terrible things like this happen people too scared to do anything.
If during world war 2 a German living in the uk came out as supporting Hitler and the nazi party he would have been fucked. Isis supporters living in uk given house benefits and free health care.

So very true. Our misplaced tolerance has helped to foster and incubate an enemy within. For how much longer can Europa turn the other cheek?

 

[Soso78]

Lock them up then swillow? Or just leave them alone? What would you suggest?

 

[Soso78]

I know wolfsangel, I think people like spacejunk are a major problem and attitudes like his only contribute to the problem.
Go on YouTube and search Isis supporters in uk. How the fuck are these scum still walking around.

 

[Soso78]

Also I think someone should change the title of the thread. I know it changed from 19 to 22 fatalities but seeing as we now know it was 22 it's disrespectful to leave it as 19.

 

[spacejunk]

Firstly I don't wish or plot to kill anyone. Second I'm talking about justifiable, rational and proportional responses to actual events and threats, not a shift towards authoritarianism. Stop jumping to the extreme every time, its predictable and trite mate.



Your script is really tiring SJ. You follow the same narrative and repeat the same worn out nonsense over and over. No one is gloating.. we were right and we told you 10 years ago.. its anger and frustration that people like yourself are holding us back from being able to tackle the issue at hand by your use of soft nonsense.

It comes through in all your posts. You are now pissing into the wind. Times are changing. Time to admit you were wrong.

I know you're scared and emotional, but you and all the other angryboys should try attacking my ideas rather than me personally.
I suspect don't have it in you to actually address my ideas and arguments, and that - like the islamists - you're blinded by ideology fear and hate.

 

[Soso78]

You not really coming up with any ideas though sj, what ideas you have you come up with? I must have missed them.

 

[Soso78]

You call us angry boys in the same sentence as whining about being personally attacked. Mmmm ok.

 

[spacejunk]

That's because i'm arguing that there are no easy answers

But i did say this on the first page, and i stand by it;

Standing together as a community is defiance of terrorist hate.

 

[Soso78]

No one has said there are easy answers.
Of course stand together but not enough to ONLY stand together, time to be a bit more pro active than that.

 

[-=SS=-]

That's because i'm arguing that there are no easy answers

But i did say this on the first page, and i stand by it;

I've already outlined some proactive solutions. Subtle approaches I would have suggested 10 years ago, which you would have shouted down but now are potentially open to are now not enough as the problem has grown.

There are solutions but you prefer to negate them because it offends your liberal values. Unfortunately your ability to kick the can down the road has come to a dead end. Loitering around whilst posturing with platitiudes is over.

If you believe violence is never the answer then I suggest you get on board with real physical intimidation and physical deterence quick before that option becomes useless to our predicament too.

The longer we leave this the worse the solutions will have to be. Force does work and its a useful tool. But not if you keep getting punched over and over then finally snap and kill the guy and get imprisoned for manslaughter.

 

[spacejunk]

So censorship and authoritarianism are your "solutions"?

As for "force does work" - who are you advocating violence against?

Western military interference in various middle eastern countries doesn't appear to be preventing terrorism anywhere.

 

[-=SS=-]

So censorship and authoritarianism are your "solutions"?

This is sophistry. Stop it. If what I proposed falls under those labels then so be it, but your attempt to overblow it using language is pathetic.

@ for "force does work" - who are you advocating violence against?

Force and violence are not the same. Again you deliberately conflate and mislead with your language. Stop it. Police use reasonable force all the time. It works. Deal with it.

Western military interference in various middle eastern countries doesn't appear to be preventing terrorism anywhere.

Community spirit within Muslim communities doesn't appear to be preventing terrorism anywhere.

 

[Soso78]

Are you having trouble understanding what people are saying sj?

1 Censorship of terrorist literature yes.
2 use force against terrorists
3 no ones talking about the Middle East.

 

[spacejunk]

Force and violence are not the same.

This is nonsense. Can you explain the difference please?

"Police use reasonable force all the time" - you mean "reasonable violence"?
Typical weasel words. The definition of "force" and "violence" are one in the same. Yet you accuse me of sophistry.

It works. Deal with it.

Oh, police violence prevents crime? "It works",yeah?
You'll have to explain this to me as well, because it sounds fallacious also.

 

[-=SS=-]

This is nonsense. Can you explain the difference please?

"Police use reasonable force all the time" - you mean "reasonable violence"?
Typical weasel words. The definition of "force" and "violence" are one in the same. Yet you accuse me of sophistry.

Violence. Act or behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage or kill.

The difference is clearly notable in the definition of the word. Police do not intend to hurt, damage or kill. They will if you're a twat and resist, or try to fuck them up first. Most criminals understand that and go limp because they know the police have greater potential force than they do.

police violence prevents crime? "It works",yeah?
You'll have to explain this to me as well, because it sounds fallacious also.

Physical presence and force, in conjuction with a resolute and enforced justice system, which we no longer have, is effective. It's why we created the police in the first place. If people see you mean business only the most stupid and determined flout it.

 

[Durzo1258]

Instead of argue lets mourn for a day or two, regardless of where we live or what our opinion is? Cant we agree on that?

No we can't. Mourning will achieve nothing, want to do it ? Go ahead if it makes you feel better. Go chence your FB profile picture to UK flag while you're at it.

 

[spacejunk]

No time for healing, just straight to the vengeance and bloodlust eh?

I think there are a lot of disturbing sentiments in this thread. I guess that's expected in the context of a really horrifying event.
But saying "mourning will achieve nothing" is just cold.