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Managed to put myself into opiate WDs - Advice needed

SilentRoller said:
Also, does anyone noticed that opiates impacted their libido negatively? Obviously when you are in pain you have no interest, but now I've quit any ideas when stuff like mood/libido stabilises? I feel about as ready for it as a eunuch :D
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Abso-fuckin-lutely! Nothing wrecks your libido like an opiate addiction. Dont worry though, you'll be fine before long mate
 
Very strange - suddenly feel so so depressed and tearful it’s unreal. Thinking about ex girlfriends and all sorts from like...9 years ago.

Don’t know if it’s coming off the trams (as it also acts as an SNRI) but I didn’t have these mood swings before taking the meds. What the fuck.....hope this does one soon.
 
SilentRoller said:
Very strange - suddenly feel so so depressed and tearful it’s unreal. Thinking about ex girlfriends and all sorts from like...9 years ago.

Don’t know if it’s coming off the trams (as it also acts as an SNRI) but I didn’t have these mood swings before taking the meds. What the fuck.....hope this does one soon.
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Wow. It sounds like you have suffered disproportionately. Perhaps this is down to the Tramadol - I can't comment because I have very little experience with this drug (but what I have I didn't like).

But if this experience puts you off from using opiates again, then it's a job well done.

You WILL recover mate...
 
I spent some time abusing trams and the withdrawal is indeed horrible. The physical part is no fun but by far the worst part for me was the mental side.

Like you say, thinking of the past through a intense warped lense, feeling tearful and upset at the smallest things, anxious, hopeless, snappy etc.

I promise it'll pass. If going out in the sun helped you before then I'd say try an do more of that type of thing. Time is the main factor but anything that will help shift your mind back on track or simply make the time pass quicker or be more bearable is a plus.

Personally I hid under a duvet an binge watched serieses. I think there's a thread here somewhere with some good ones.

You haven't fucked yourself. You'll be alright in a minute.
 
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How long did the emotional bit last for, because this bit is fucked. It’s like I can find no joy in anything and am just constantly thinking about how life was better years ago....
I can’t believe that 20 x 100mg tramadol tablets have screwed my mood this badly. It’s the devil.
 
I cant remember exactly and I dont want to give you an estimate as you may well be different to me. How long has it been so far? Apologies if you mentioned this already.
I feal you, it was the worst depression I've ever experienced. I remember at points literally feeling like my brain was on fire it was so intense.

Remind yourself that this is a recent feeling as a result of the drug. If there are certain things that this intense introspection makes you want to focus on maybe write them down as you'll soon forget once it wears off.

The releif once things normalize is truely a high in itself. You'll notice it soon.
 
It’s been about 8 days since my last use of opiates (DHC) and I think 10 since my last tramadol use.
 
SilentRoller said:
Thanks for the reassurance. I emptied my medicine box of the Valium yesterday as I didn’t want the thought of having to add anymore drugs to the mix. When I was using the opiates over the month I used about 10 x 10mg diaz also. I had one to aid anxiety last night but I don’t want to end up with another issue.

Ive read some absolute horror stories about tramadol WD dragging on for weeks.... I only used 20 of the 100mg tablets (alongside the DHC). The fear I’ve fucked myself is unreal. Makes me feel full of shame -despite using them for pain and not recreational use. Most people go their whole lives not knowing what an opiate WD is, and here is me in the midst of one. Doesn’t make you feel so great about it all....
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If this keeps you from opiates, then it's an inexpensive lesson, one that took me a lifetime to learn. I'm 70 years old now, and have kicked heroin 4 or 5 times since I was 19. The last time I was 58, and it left me with permanent RLS, which I take medication daily to control. After I kicked the last time, the pain control doctors put me on fentanyl, which, at my request, I was weaned off of three years ago.
What I'm saying is, good for you if this is your eye opener on opiates. I fear the day the chronic pain I feel becomes too great for me to handle, as it only gets worse with time. I fear opiates even more.
Hang in there, friend. Nothing is so bad that opiate addiction can't make worse.
 
SilentRoller said:
It’s been about 8 days since my last use of opiates (DHC) and I think 10 since my last tramadol use.
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I think as a general rule short acting opiates have a 10-14 day kick for the most severe symptoms, the depression can linger for longer but becomes a lot less intense assuming you werent using the opiates to treat depression in the first place. Tramadol, as you know, is more than just an opiate so it is less predictable but things should still become more bearable around that timeframe. Dont panic if not though, everyones chemistry is different. How're you doing now?

Paradoxically the withdrawal from substitute drugs like methadone and buprenorphine can last a lot longer because of their strength and duration.

PDXman said:
Nothing is so bad that opiate addiction can't make worse.
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Yup!
 
Mate you will get better soon. If you were dhc or even smack only then you'd be feeling 90%. Sounds like team adolescent. Is a bitch to quit.
I PROMISE YOU HAVE NOT FUCKED YOURSELF. Many have bee where you are and you sound like you have the sense never to bother with opiates again.
 
I dont know what else to say apart from it feels like my mood is getting worse sometimes. I feel so empty and low - devoid of love or feeling for anyone. Almost told my missus last night I wasn’t sure I loved her (but stopped short). I don’t want to say anything I regret.

I’ve never felt so empty in all my life. Sometimes I’ll have moments of being alright and then I just get with a bat of longing and emptiness but I’m not sure for what.

This has got to end....feels like I’m having some sort of emotional breakdown.

For anyone new to blue light reading this. Don’t touch tramadol or opiates. It steals your soul and leaves you and empty shell of a person.
 
I know you were using the dhc and trams mainly for pain, but did you get a noticable mood lift from them that was more than simply relief? If so, did you find yourself chasing that feeling?

Stick with it mate, you WILL eventually again get used to the fact that life is generally pretty depressing. Most people never experience anything different, but once you've had a taste of something better, it's very hard to let go. This is why opiate addiction usually last for years, decades, or even, life.
 
Not really mate. Don’t get me wrong, it gave me a bit of a buzz and I did enjoy it, but I wouldn’t say it lifted a veil on my mood and I was like ‘wow’.

DHC was nice and euphoric though. Got really chatty as they kicked in. Hence why I can identify that DHC could/would be an issue in the future if I got into them.

I think this is a combination of coming off the trams and lockdown fatigue. I work a very stressful and demanding job whilst also being pretty isolated at the same time. I think it has just all come on top and the trams have made it worse. Next Tuesday will be the 2 week mark so I’m hoping it gets easier by then.

I do have brainzaps which is odd (if I move my eyes to the left sometimes) which is very similar to if you overdo the Mandy (or come off SSRIs so I’m told) so trams may or may not be involved.

I would take a 1g mdma comedown over this I can tell you, and they were awful 😂
 
SilentRoller said:
Well the RLS deffo wasn’t psychosomatic....that got my tits no end!
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One thing I discovered while searching how to help the restless legs (which is so much worse than you expect!) is a product from Amazon called Restful Legs. They’re little chalky tablets that just dissolve in your mouth and work like a charm. So random. And brain zaps are normal as tramadol is an antidepressant or in that class of med. Sometimes it takes a while for zaps to go away. I have come off fluoxetine and lyrica and the brain zaps sucked but eventually went away. Anyway, hope this is helpful and hope you feel better soon.
 
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Hey SR, long time pal, hope your opioid wd's are feeling better.
I know the feeling farrrr too well to the point i've been on 90mg of 'done since 2016...

hope yer feeling better today
 
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