Males are the problem, but...

[Miss_vanilla]

Miss Vanilla is making the best posts. Pay attention to what she has to say!

I've had quite a few (a bit heated sometimes) chats with friends about this so it's a bit close to my heart.

hiphophippy - agreed! Women can behave in a very ruthless way when in power.

Portillo - LOL! So true (it's sad though because I'm a girl's girl and I wish we'd all get on a bit better).

 

[MyFinalRest]

It's also very true that not every action in a male's life boils down "something done for the sake of impressing women."

 

[twentysix]

Apernently you've never heard of Hillary Clinton, or Catherine the great, or Cleopatra.

Mods this is clearly a ridiculously sexist thread please close it.

ok, i'm a guy. i at times delve into ideas that warrant in my mind the islamic and earlier down-that line idea/practice of covering women's bodies almost completely. some might say this is a wrong and sexist attitude, and if imposed certain ways or viewed certain ways it may be, but why i go here is because they're JUST SO FREAKIN BEAUTIFUL to me and it messes with me... being a male that wants to fuck EVERYTHING. i go here because i respect, and fear them, perhaps. i bow. perhaps i don't know and i can admit that, but i have been driven nuts by a girl that i sort of fell in love with (say/think what you will) three years ago, who i stood in front of, witnessing her- and in contact with my spirit, close to her, and touching her- moving her hair from her face, i without checking though felt/thought "this is why women are made to wear masks". "Aha!"

but the islamic majority, their rulers are like a pissed off child. they fucked it up. they confused holy idea with absolute law.

i'm not sexist. i fluctuate. i exercise. you can't take everything i say even if it seems absolute, as such. it's there to provide example to something else.

does anyone get anywhere with muscles fully flexed, or flaccid, absolutely? (i'm trying...)

And I have heard of them. Just because I was hot doesn't mean I haven't been cold. But generally, wouldn't you say it's been a little hot lately, generally? Sure my argument was a little messed up in it's approach, but it doesn't mean there isn't a problem that males can't take a rather significant role in tackling... and my point was, that they just don't seem to be, at the highest levels. They're like children.

Absolute power corrupts... and all that, perhaps.


And yes it is ridiculous, though. Sometimes I wonder what's not ridiculous. In the future, though- try to refrain from using such absolute words such as "ridiculous" and "sexist" especially in such a small post, please.



Alright, if this is to be closed, so be it. I don't really care either way. The same target will be hit, another way. Perhaps better, if this is to be as you wish.



I do need to say that I can go back to my first post, and see it as another person, and I can go down the line and see why just about everyone was right in what they said in response, because I guess that's what they had to work with. I am a little embarrassed by my lack of foresight in approaching it, so yea... I agree, if you feel it should be closed, I'm for it. I don't mind. There will be other topics to discuss in the future, and this may have been beat down far enough. It may not warrant any more conversation. I've voiced my feeling. A feeling can't be wrong. Men piss me off (and so do women, sometimes... a lot more when I'm more involved with them, but living as a man... i'm involved with a man.);people piss me off. I am people. And we live.

 

[twentysix]

"this is why women are made to wear masks". "Aha!"

but the islamic majority, their rulers are like a pissed off child. they fucked it up. they confused holy idea with absolute law.

this thought goes on to... that I was rendered as a child, then, and my aim is to be able to handle their (her) beauty and at the same time still maintain the sanctity that I found in that moment, with her, without corruption that occurs out of simple blindness of self.

i don't really want women to wear masks i'm trying to say. i want to be evolved enough to see them how i can see them, without it. i'm getting there, but sometimes i fall down. they are just people.

maybe the muslims (generally, and i'm wrong in being so general, i know.. but you know) simply realize (but don't) that they're children. they're throwing tantrums (zealotry, terrorism, etc)... but not as if this behavior isn't on levels mirrored everywhere.

men are guilty, and they need to sit in the fucking corner. let women fuck it up (not that they haven't or don't), then let them sit in the corner.

I just wanted to roast men here. I wanted to roast Charles not Cheryl.

 

[hiphophippy]

why not cover tie up your own personal penis than put off your personal problems on the rest of the world.

 

[sssssssssss]

I dont know if anyone has said this but,
To follow the stereotype, men argue with more appeal to logic and women argue with more appeal to emotion. Women also have babies.
When arguing it seems like men have a need to use logic, while women use phrases such as just do it because i said so and won't back down until the man cracks.
So if a married man was to be a part in the decision to go to war, there can always be a battering bitch wanting to "protect her child" right behind him lol.

Also, men seem to value their 'word' over their own emotion while it seems women would rather protect their own emotions above all.
To go ahead and say my rebuttal for men cheating on women more commonly: Marriage isn't logical. If it was we would sign peace treaties that lasted forever also. Forever is a very emotional word and it seems to be the dumbest thing a man can do is fall in love with a women, but i guess that's sacrifice.

but of course, not all men and women are like that hence its a stereotype and sorry for going off on a tangent and getting a little opinionated.

 

[yagecero]

Some interesting points have been brought up in this thread, but I fail to see the significance of viewpoint of the OP. While there are obvious male/female differences on an anatomic level, I'm going to come right and say that supposed male/female personality traits are learned throughout a socio-cultural up-bringing.

Furthermore, I find people that have - to a certain extent - transcended this "binary" by moving away from their extreme "maleness" or "femaleness" toward a more integrated persona (that is made up of both male and female traits) to be much more agreeable.

I have both male and female friends and I treat them all with equal respect (even if I do want to sleep with some females) - but I find the apparent extremes of both sexes extremely off-putting. My male friends are usually of the sensitive-creative-type as opposed to the macho-male-dick-head, and my female friends are predominantly feisty-intellectuals that don't bitch and moan (or have a frivolous obsession with shopping, jk).

In general, the supposed negative male/female traits are ugly whether they emanate from a body with a penis or a vagina, which kind of makes the whole argument redundant.

Behaviours are learned.

 

[twentysix]

why not cover tie up your own personal penis than put off your personal problems on the rest of the world.

You read it. You responded.

And men are generally more capable and do so more often rape women and fuck children than vice versa.

Yea its not our fault at all.


Thread closed...

 

[RobotRipping]

To follow the stereotype, men argue with more appeal to logic and women argue with more appeal to emotion. Women also have babies.
When arguing it seems like men have a need to use logic, while women use phrases such as just do it because i said so and won't back down until the man cracks.
So if a married man was to be a part in the decision to go to war, there can always be a battering bitch wanting to "protect her child" right behind him lol.

Also, men seem to value their 'word' over their own emotion while it seems women would rather protect their own emotions above all.
To go ahead and say my rebuttal for men cheating on women more commonly: Marriage isn't logical. If it was we would sign peace treaties that lasted forever also. Forever is a very emotional word and it seems to be the dumbest thing a man can do is fall in love with a women, but i guess that's sacrifice.

but of course, not all men and women are like that hence its a stereotype and sorry for going off on a tangent and getting a little opinionated.

lol this is sexist shit again, don't use stereotypes for the very reason you mention, they do not apply to everyone but they imply that they do. Women can be just as logical and analytical whatever as men. This is what drives sexism, these little ideas that people have that somehow differentiate the sexes. Logic is the truth of the universe and you're going to say that males are naturally more inclined to be logical? that's sexist and wrong. If you recognize these things as stereotypes then don't use them. The differences between men and women are more culturally driven than naturally, as explained above ^.

For example you go to some engineering classes or fuck even a philosophy class you'll most likely see males out number the women at around 10:1, yet there are more women in university than men. The explanation? we've assigned certain roles socially and culturally acceptable for each sex, it doesn't necessarily show that women are more driven by emotion (hence the arts) and men are more driven by logic and reason and take more math/engineering/anything else involving logic and reason.

@twentysix: and just because you hate men and are a man doesn't give you the right to propagate your sexist bullshit anywhere. The tangent on Islam is just funny (and offensive) but shit you have things mixed up. Have you studied Islam enough to know what it's really about??? it's not about terrorism and hating women. If you read it literally you're just as mixed up as someone who reads the bible literally.

 

[-=SS=-]

"If you bring forth that which is within you it will save you, if you do not it will destroy you" - Jesus

IMO it is the males relentless sexual current that is not properly directed that is the problem, which is as much women's fault as it is men's; if women could balance all the males sexually there would be little tension in the human family. It can also be directed to higher pursuits of creativity through concentration and action, as demonstrated by the numerous male genius creators, artists, musicians, mystics etc throughout history. Supressing the energy doesn't work, pretending it is not there doesn't work, perverting it as a form of expression (ie modern music/media/advertising culture!) doesn't work, releasing it without a partner/masturbation does not work (emotionally unbalancing).

The problem is our society is ignoring the prime reason for us being here, which is sex. We also ignore the transcendant possibility of transmuting the energy to a higher objective, which would take us from being an animal to being a true human being! Sexuality should at least be nurtured in teenagers by caring adults.. not in the form of adults having sex with teenagers!, but by encouraging teenagers to explore with an opposite partner their own age instead of just bombarding them about STI's, pregnancy, and this inverted idea of what sex is really about through the media/music/culture. All that does is retard teenagers and keeps people on a very low mental level of development.

 

[Shrooms00087]

The problem is an old one, passion (of both sexes). In this instance our commoditized passions are facilitated through the economy. The reasons for war in a system like this are obviously going to be common, moreover, wars make sense in an endlessly dynamic growth scheme.

 

[twentysix]

@twentysix: and just because you hate men and are a man doesn't give you the right to propagate your sexist bullshit anywhere. The tangent on Islam is just funny (and offensive) but shit you have things mixed up. Have you studied Islam enough to know what it's really about??? it's not about terrorism and hating women. If you read it literally you're just as mixed up as someone who reads the bible literally.

i don't hate men (not in the end anyway). no, i can't say i'm an expert on islam. islam i know though translates to "submission" more or less, and i don't believe any religion can really lay claim to that action, or to God... so I try to know a little about islam. i know it's not all terrorism and woman hating, and i did not say that at all. if you want to argue with me don't put words into my mouth. i used them as an example. stereotypes don't exist for nothing. they can be over-used/misused but there is usually truth in them. it's how we try to navigate.

and i guess... my tangent on it wasn't that long in the first place. i touched on it. there was some guessing involved, but the truth still remains... those idiots claim that they are muslims. they're .. really no different fundamentally from most "christians", though. they just like to be part of that cozy majority like any other animal.

and who gives them bad names (muslims, i mean)... women? who gives muslims a bad name? men.


i know i'm not perfect in my approach here, and this thread has been nothing if not problematic (haha). but i guess go back a few threads of mine if you'd like and you might see another thread that "won't go anywhere" called "Problems: We need them.", basically saying that a cracked skull is a good thing, in a sense.

in a sense, everything might be circular.




men: they occupy a greater area we might argue. there are even more men... who decide to become women! than vice versa you see? we need to take responsibility.

alright.. fraternities and sororities
fraternity.. a bunch of dudes often messing up and disrespecting things including women, kids dying at their parties.. hazing. stupid shit goes on all of the time.

sororities are generally calmer, in my experience.. at least their outward actions. they do things like help the community.. etc. so if you want to call me sexist, fine. work with it.

i rarely attach that to frats... community service. i know it does happen but, anyway


but in an end i see, terms like better and worse shouldn't apply, still- here. i never really said men were worse than women or vice versa, but in my limited capacity for symbolic communication, i used "bad" words.

 

[twentysix]

The problem is an old one, passion (of both sexes). In this instance our commoditized passions are facilitated through the economy. The reasons for war in a system like this are obviously going to be common, moreover, wars make sense in an endlessly dynamic growth scheme.

very good one.

excuse my frustration.

 

[sssssssssss]

lol this is sexist shit again, don't use stereotypes for the very reason you mention, they do not apply to everyone but they imply that they do. Women can be just as logical and analytical whatever as men. This is what drives sexism, these little ideas that people have that somehow differentiate the sexes. Logic is the truth of the universe and you're going to say that males are naturally more inclined to be logical? that's sexist and wrong. If you recognize these things as stereotypes then don't use them. The differences between men and women are more culturally driven than naturally, as explained above ^.

were talking about women as a group, not as individuals so stereotypes apply...

i gave my reason for the stereotype: women have the babies and men don't.
mothers are more emotionally attached to a baby more than a father may ever think he is and therefore they can experience emotion in a much greater sense to where their other appeals to an argument can be blinded to protect that. There are even studies on how women release chemicals when their child is born that make them instantly love their newborn. therefore the stereotype rightfully arises and is culturally impressed. I never said it was a bad or good thing; you assumed it was offensive yourself which makes me assume you have an underlying fear of it actually being true. sorry if im wrong, or if you're denying it. I know I used the words battering bitch, but that's simply what someone who can't let go of their emotion is so someone else who has set emotion aside. It can go the other way, but it normally doesn't hence the stereotype.

To say that you cannot find truth to the universe through emotion is also an over simplification of how nature works.

You could also argue that there are more men in logical classes and more women in arts because that's where they feel more comfortable naturally. I study math and once I got passed the required classes for engineering, the guy to girl ratio is 1:1. Math is also considered an art and science.

It is sexiest to judge an individual on a truth derived from a whole, but it is not sexist to judge a group based on a truth from that group.
you must be a women <--- that was sexist. see?

I'll stop assuming stereotypes to women, when everyone expects them to be equally part of a draft and have to suffer consequences (jail and fine) if they decide to get pregnant if that draft comes. Otherwise sex and gender roles are biological, and were kidding ourselves by saying they aren't.

 

[MyFinalRest]

"If you bring forth that which is within you it will save you, if you do not it will destroy you" - Jesus

IMO it is the males relentless sexual current that is not properly directed that is the problem, which is as much women's fault as it is men's; if women could balance all the males sexually there would be little tension in the human family. It can also be directed to higher pursuits of creativity through concentration and action, as demonstrated by the numerous male genius creators, artists, musicians, mystics etc throughout history. Supressing the energy doesn't work, pretending it is not there doesn't work, perverting it as a form of expression (ie modern music/media/advertising culture!) doesn't work, releasing it without a partner/masturbation does not work (emotionally unbalancing).

The problem is our society is ignoring the prime reason for us being here, which is sex. We also ignore the transcendant possibility of transmuting the energy to a higher objective, which would take us from being an animal to being a true human being! Sexuality should at least be nurtured in teenagers by caring adults.. not in the form of adults having sex with teenagers!, but by encouraging teenagers to explore with an opposite partner their own age instead of just bombarding them about STI's, pregnancy, and this inverted idea of what sex is really about through the media/music/culture. All that does is retard teenagers and keeps people on a very low mental level of development.

Then, with such a well said post, would it be better to say that our "prime reason for being here" is not simply sex, but love?

 

[-=SS=-]

Then, with such a well said post, would it be better to say that our "prime reason for being here" is not simply sex, but love?

Well our prime reason as an animal/organism like all other on this planet is reproduction of the species, and to also fertilize the earth/other species as food or with our waste. But I guess it depends on whether you want to speculate if there is another purpose for the human race or not: I mean nature is not blind and it certainly is merciful. We could be erased without a trace in so many different ways but yet here we are, we are allowd to not only kill ourselves but kill other life too! It seems as if nature has invested a lot of energy into our species, so perhaps we are a proto-species of sorts, stuck between animal and a full human being. Again it depends on which angle you see it from I suppose. There is more I could say but it goes beyond this thread and also I don't think it would be well received.

 

[MyFinalRest]

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Well our prime reason as an animal/organism like all other on this planet is reproduction of the species, and to also fertilize the earth/other species as food or with our waste.

That may or may not be true. Although I feel certain "biological directives" that cause me to become aroused at the sight of, or in the presence of certain women, this particular "biological directive" has no concept as far-reaching as the reproductive consequence of sex.

Certainly there is also no biological directive that has a concept of our death and use as food for other species and microorganisms.

If a "biological directive" is the prime reasons for our existence, then why wouldn't something like "eating food" be the prime reason for our existence? I'd still say if there is a "reason" for our existence, nobody has managed to figure it out for certainty. Also, humans are not the only sentient beings capable of higher callings such as love.

 

[-=SS=-]

That may or may not be true. Although I feel certain "biological directives" that cause me to become aroused at the sight of, or in the presence of certain women, this particular "biological directive" has no concept as far-reaching as the reproductive consequence of sex.

Certainly there is also no biological directive that has a concept of our death and use as food for other species and microorganisms.

If a "biological directive" is the prime reasons for our existence, then why wouldn't something like "eating food" be the prime reason for our existence? I'd still say if there is a "reason" for our existence, nobody has managed to figure it out for certainty. Also, humans are not the only sentient beings capable of higher callings such as love.

But eating food is a prime reason for our existence, it is for nearly all organisms. Eating food produces "waste" which is food for a whole host of other organisms.. it feritilizes the earth too giving rise to plant materials which in turn go on to nurish other organisms. It may appear very crude and not really a reason for existence of life but if you step back you'll see that it clearly is a prime reason, along with perpetuation of the species. There is an energy hierarchy and transmutation cycle, going from the smallest organisms up to the largest most refined (humans). 100 microorganisms feed a worm, 100 worms feed a bird, 100 birds feed a cat, etc. The problem is we have assumed the buck stops with us humans; all our energy is directed into producing semen and mental/neural energy and there isn't an organism that feeds on that. Or is that just a blind assumption? Every culture holds a belief in the existence of entities that are beyond our senses. The myth of the Incubii and Succubii is close to what I believe is true; that there exists an organism superior to the human being that milks us in the same way we milk a cow for it's product, and this entity is interested in the most refined energy source on Earth, human neural energy.

As for 'love'. It is just a quaint word we have come up with. It needs to be broken down and understood more completely as it is an over used word, like 'God'.

 

[MyFinalRest]

^

that there exists an organism superior to the human being that milks us in the same way we milk a cow for it's product, and this entity is interested in the most refined energy source on Earth, human neural energy.

Now that's a reason to think there is a reason!

 

[twentysix]

I've been sort of paranoid of this sometimes, like no matter what I'm just chasing an electric rabbit. Not that I'm not fed, but I never really get that rabbit that I want. Excuse me if I am not on the same page, and disregard.

But I have felt this, regardless of my attempted metaphor. I've felt my emotions "milked". I've felt toiled with, manipulated, and "Cattle of Ra" seems to fit here, in a way- but even they too might be used, the same way we are, so I guess I shift to a more friendly attitude to them, if they exist... if that's really what it is I'm experiencing, and not "Angels". Why would something take such an interest in me? Really? Something with the power to in the first place, as much as what I have witnessed. As if sometimes I'm being dribbled... and as if I'm being "cocked" at times (knocked down, or the opposite for an opposite), so that they can get their desired output of whatever energy.

Going by our terms, our neural energy may not really seem like a good source, but it has been said- I think I remember, that somewhere in our neurons- in the connections there are actually a "quantum phenomenon" that is taking place. I can't place where I heard it, but some say within that spark lies a secret to our consciousness.. that our brains are just instruments, conduits, or whatever (applies even if...)

In ways, perhaps we might view ourselves as our host, and we are "them". And surely, they might cultivate us.




Stepping back a little out of this possibly delusional fantastical explanation of what is going on, I have to wonder... why would they need us? Unless this is really some "matrix" scenario... if a being is so powerful as to observe us on some level, well.. no, maybe that's just their position in the food chain, sure... but can't they harvest energy from something else? Isn't energy actually freely available, everywhere? But maybe I just interpret them as intelligent. Perhaps they've just had their clutches (or it) on us for so long, and they're basically an unconscious beast, a force of nature, using our own processes for their own gain, as they should be as all things are, very simple if viewed from some place. Positive negative. "Simple" Magnetics. And off into the abstract... I must-surely fall short here, I know.

I don't really have anything certain to say, but this is a thought that I come to, and I'm glad (sort of) that you reminded me.

But still, I also feel that we're capable, with our minds, to "realize" that we are one- that we are the "only one" in a sense, viewing ourselves, and that we created the entire universe, if anything created it. We have been there since the beginning... so this takes away my fear, and allows, perhaps the "milk" to flow freely, without burden to me- as well freeing me. So even if we are a host of some parasite (or symbiotic may be better, even though it may terminate us whenever... I don't know...), it's up to us how we take it. We are conscious, reflective... etc. /ramble