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Males are the problem, but...

The battle of the sexes is nothing more than a power play, the only game worth playing; after all, life's been doing it for at least 3.9 billion years. One of the outgrowths of it is a lust for temporal power, which both men and women have; chicas may not use brass knuckles and bazookas, but those are just one flavor of interpersonal torment and domination. For every utopian account of what gynocracy would look like, there are ten real-life accounts of the Machiavellian brutality of women in homogenous groups, particularly if the environment is already competitive. Truth be told, I suspect a world that woke up with women in control would be pining for the status quo in a month, writing visas to Pluto in a year.

The moral of the story is: the world is a mess not because of what is or isn't between your legs, but because we're basically tree-swinging, shit-slinging monkeys with shotguns.
 
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Biovail, can you please clarify for me what you are arguing? Probably blog material in the first place this thread, though.. I didn't see it generating any progressive response... just like men keep repeating the same mistakes/"bad" behaviors. It was an expression of how I felt. I don't really view men as "bad", and a problem is also not exactly "bad", either. I still feel men should stop being idiots. Ha.

I personally can't wait for the day when a super intelligent computer rules the world ;)

not that I expect to be alive.


Maybe... it would seem better if I put a instead of "the", in the title. "The" does seem way too extreme/absolute to work with. Not that I believe it would really make a whole lot of difference, but that certainly doesn't help it to begin with. I just felt pretty absolutely fed up with it at that point, entering the title in, and decided not to think about it.


and as far as the "computer" ruling us that i mentioned above, i believe that's about the only way out of this mess. not that that is even that realistic, right now. then again, maybe we are still evolving, contrary to what some scientists have said recently.
 
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humans are the problem; something about our nature. Not only do we destroy the planet, we also kill each other. It's senseless but i think it's part of being a human. If men really did everything for women then when they have a woman they just stop being men? Men compete against other men in basically dick sizing contests. If indeed men do cause all the wars it's not over women. It's about resources, power and probably a bit of dick sizing on a large scale. Still i find this to be sexist and offensive; there are matriarchies and look at other species, things aren't the same for all males in all species.

I recommend watching some planet earth lol.

it's like saying white people are the problem, look at imperialism all the terrible shit white people have done, or even more specifically white men but still it's a very narrow view.
 
I don't mean to be rude, but you seem quick to just and don't really seem to be thinking this through. You're acting like the world is much more straight forward than it is, and it seems like you don't understand any of what I said. Your thread isn't generating any progressive response because it isn't a progressive topic.

You don't seem to understand the workings of the world at it's very core and your naivety is rather astounding.
 
There is no such thing as "bad". If robots could rule the earth, they would kill us. Because it makes sense. If you truly were a caring person and valued all life equally, you would kill every human on this planet. Our greed and self-absorption are some of our best qualities.
 
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I don't mean to be rude, but you seem quick to just and don't really seem to be thinking this through. You're acting like the world is much more straight forward than it is, and it seems like you don't understand any of what I said. Your thread isn't generating any progressive response because it isn't a progressive topic.

You don't seem to understand the workings of the world at it's very core and your naivety is rather astounding.
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To me, it is rather straight forward.

Be nice. (no, i'm not naive. i know everything isn't all fuzzy wuzzy aminals cuddlwe), but in order to be better, it is straight forward: be nice. cooperate. communicate. In my straight forward view, if you can see what is truly best for yourself, you will naturally align to do things the best way possible, for everyone. Easy as fuck. Might take a little bit of philosophical tinkering to see it, but it's there.
 
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Biovail said:
There is no such thing as "bad". If robots could rule the earth, they would kill us. Because it makes sense. If you truly were a caring person and valued all life equally, you would kill every human on this planet. Our greed and self-absorption are some of our best qualities.
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that makes absolutely no sense, about the robots. this isn't the terminator movie. i agree there's no such thing as "bad", but to functionality and health we need to assign "yes" and "no".

an intelligence capable of surpassing our own would see our mistakes and perhaps offer a way out of our self-trapping (and other bad traits seeable) nature. that was my point about the computer, or rather, idea.

and I'm still not sure I'm getting you. you in one sentence say if i were caring and valued everyone i'd kill everyone? and then you say.. .. what? the fuck. where are you going now?

yea, they might be seen as such, those qualities. they brought us here, but just because we have a sexual urge doesn't make it AWESOME to rape.

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I don't mean to be rude, but you seem quick to judge.
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yea i do that often. i find it helps me learn (about each thing) because i fuck up quite badly sometimes. it isn't a good trait of mine, but i keep coming back to anger with humanity, and that at the tip seems to show itself as "man" (although I'm not saying it is just man, that was just my attempted focus). anger with myself, too. for me to judge it, is to judge myself, of course. and..haha.. that judgment will be fundamentally flawed.

perhaps too i learn on levels, but i never really seem to "learn", like man.



your argument from the get-go was just as fucked as mine, if you're going to argue it in the first place. "women are the cause of the problems". simply antagonizing, and your posts really don't make sense, unless you expect me to read into them.

and actually, if you read my first post, you could see that i pretty much processed through it (anger, and calling it bad, replacing it in a sense with "this sucks"- an emotional sigh.) before things happened, or at least that was in the cloud.

going back there, though, considering... it shouldn't have been a thread as i wrote it. there. are you happy now?
 
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I know.. it seems confusing. We're all alive because of greed, and we're better off because of it. This is human nature, and this is what separates us from machine.

We will destroy this planet, and likely every other living thing on it, but I haven't seen any suicide of the masses to save the lives of other species we're surely killing. This is greed and selfishness. But it is also the drive of our entire species. We would not have become cavemen living in caves if it weren't for greed. We wouldn't have become farmers. Or merchants. Or built ships. Or factories. We wouldn't have walked on the moon or built computers. We wouldn't have smashed apart atoms, protons, quarks, and come to the verge of understanding the universe in a way we'd never imagined. We wouldn't be on the edge of science that makes immortality possible. This is greed and lust for power at it's finest. This is being human.
 
If you could look at the world in terms of pure logic and make one decision to ensure the survival of this planet.. The logical decision would be to end the life of every last human. This is what a computer would tell us. This is the purest example of a sensible decision.

War is not logical. Running your computer is not logical. It is a waste of energy and helping to destroy this planet. But you feel the need to communicate, read, and learn. This feeling is selfishness, the drive to serve self. I'm not sure what you know about biology, but the very grounds of life is the need to survive and reproduce, at any expense. The very nature of life is greed.

I'm sorry if this still isn't making sense. It would take a book and maybe a lifetime to teach many people these things.

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yea i do that often. i find it helps me learn (about each thing) because i fuck up quite badly sometimes. it isn't a good trait of mine, but i keep coming back to anger with humanity, and that at the tip seems to show itself as "man" (although I'm not saying it is just man, that was just my attempted focus). anger with myself, too. for me to judge it, is to judge myself, of course. and..haha.. that judgment will be fundamentally flawed.

perhaps too i learn on levels, but i never really seem to "learn", like man.
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Well true open-mindedness is only an ideal, and one that is impossible in practice. The closest thing is consciousness of self and the ability to reflect and alter your opinion based on what you see, not what you know. You seem more patient than myself, which I envy
 
^makes perfect sense to me, if we really care about this planet and it's survival we should end humanity and let another species evolve.

The book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn discusses this better than I can, not to mention it's an interesting read.
 
actually now you're making a lot of sense.

but my point (i guess that i'd like to make) is that i don't want to give up on it. i apologize for not understanding, as something did hit me (after i judged quickly) that you seemed to put a mirror in front of my face and all i did was attack it.

i have been over that idea, as well, but i usually leave about 1% of the population (for an abstract number) alive, assuming that all we can do is keep it in check. i even propose, in my mind, voluntary mass sacrifice, or/and a lottery on who gets to stay alive (or perhaps some other way), but then i feel that there's another way around it, and that is just perhaps becoming smarter... forcing evolution, perhaps somehow, like something Ray Kurzweil proposed sort of, perhaps, making the leap into a different form entirely where we won't be dependent on the same perhaps sabotaging "realities" we are now.

or... nuclear fusion and nanotechnological mastery, and biological as well, and whatnot. i believe science will be our salvation, if anything is to be, that we can see now.

Too, we can credit our "bad" nature for bringing us to that point where we might actually overcome it... which goes back to my first post.




I think I posted this in the wrong forum, if it is to be a thread anywhere. One way it might be saved is labelling first post "seed outburst" and the rest, "plant", and whatnot... maybe, and perhaps a change of title... from an extended view. I'm not sure what that could be though. Any takers? Is it even worth saving?



But, I keep editing... and adding. The point of the thread wasn't "save the earth". It was more like "save humanity"... quite honestly I couldn't give a fuck about this planet if humans weren't here. Why? I wouldn't be here TO give a fuck, for one thing, and another, well, being selfish, I can see that the egg isn't supposed to survive the hatching.. though that metaphor might be totally wrong in this sense, for "us", and perhaps if we were gone, another animal might grow up and be better than we ever were... but maybe I'm not wrong.

But yea, this is getting into territory that can't foolishly say I can see.

This is probably suited more toward P+S I'm sure, as I said, if anything. If it's to continue.





and the computer if found in time might save both. the one i have in mind wouldn't be a conventional one. we can't really see it right now, what's in my imagination, but it would constantly reinvent itself. it wouldn't be "hard". hard to explain myself though. with the resources available, it can all be done. but this is all hypothetical. basically, once that computer hits a point where it goes past us, and then past itself what it was, within no time it will be for all intents and purposes infinitely intelligent, opening the gateway to "heaven". basically that singularity.

but then what would be left?

maybe this. heh.
 
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RobotRipping said:
it's like saying white people are the problem, look at imperialism all the terrible shit white people have done, or even more specifically white men but still it's a very narrow view.
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and true, but easy to come to that idea. if it wasn't white people it'd be someone else in their place, and there are a lot of factors involved, and we can't say white people haven't contributed a lot of good if we say "bad".

another would be criticizing america, and how they impose themselves on everyone.. but at the same time they're most often the first to answer to any nation in distress, giving aid. and they do both in part at least because they're capable.

the same can be said for man. man is capable of some pretty shitty things, as was the motivation for this thread (emotional, and perhaps not thought through.. sure. it was a burst. i pretty much just let it go knowing i was going to be wrong in ways, but hoping some would stick somehow/refresh), but men are also at the forefront of ... a whole lot of things we might consider good.

i guess it's all double edged.
 
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Given that the OP thinks this might be better suited to P & S and the mods are happy to have it over there, i've UA a couple of off-topic posts and off it goes. :)
 
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