So I currently use red veined indo and commercial bali. 8 grams of rv indo gets me a fairly decent buzz not really a nod but its still nice. Bali however 5-6.5 grams has me nodding in and out over the course of 4 hours and then just extreme sedation the rest of the time. I know that maeng da is suppose to be stimulating but I do understand every strain of kratom has its sedating narcotic dose. I was wondering what dose of maeng da will be somewhat sedating and still really euphoric or whether bali supreme would be better if im looking for more in terms of euphoria. I don't have any tolerance and plan to keep it that way I only use maximum every 3 days to keep tolerance from building. Ive also heard of UEI being very euphoric but I know it can get you into trouble in terms of addiction but would be nice for an every now and again treat.
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Opioids Maeng da and bali supreme
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sekio
Bluelight Crew
At high doses (>5g) any strain of kratom is gonna be sedating, that's just how the mitragynine works. The stimulating effects only happen at low levels where there's not enough opioid receptor activation... because mitragynine does hit adrenergic autoreceptors causing release of adrenaline and norepinephrine at lower dose levels.
Throw some caffeine in there if you are too sedate at higher doses. You can't really bring the stimulation back if you get opioid effects.
Throw some caffeine in there if you are too sedate at higher doses. You can't really bring the stimulation back if you get opioid effects.
sekio
Bluelight Crew
Anywhere from 5 to about 15 grams of whole or powdered leaf is usually good for that. I try not to exceed about 12 grams in a dose, that's where nausea and other nasty effects kick in. But at that level (8-10gm) the opioid effects are quite apparent.
Stimulant effects of kratom are only really apparent at lower doses and less frequency of use. For certain they are overpowered when you get into the opioid effects range.
Stimulant effects of kratom are only really apparent at lower doses and less frequency of use. For certain they are overpowered when you get into the opioid effects range.
Agreed, I personally use 3 teaspoons, for actually almost all the strains really. If it's a new strain I haven't tried, start small is key. With Kratom, don't forget, LESS IS MORE. You don't need to mega dose to have a mega hit, won't work like that.
And give yourself up to 30 min generally to gauge the effect, you can re-dose (small) if you feel absolutely zilch. But 8-10 as Sekio said seems to be the sweet spot for myself, and most.
And give yourself up to 30 min generally to gauge the effect, you can re-dose (small) if you feel absolutely zilch. But 8-10 as Sekio said seems to be the sweet spot for myself, and most.
Zenethylamine
Bluelighter
I would NOT recommend a high dose of Maeng Da without trying a lower dose first. Depending on your source, Maeng Da can be many times as "potent" as Bali per weight. Whereas an 8g dose of Bali is sedating and pleasant, an 8g dose of good Maeng Da will probably cause overstimulation, nausea, and in my case, heart arhythmia.
In my opinion, when you get to a high dose of Maeng Da, the negative side effects outweigh the positives. So start with a lower dose and work your way up. If you take 10g of Maeng Da your first time, realize that you might feel like shit for the next few hours. But this depends on your supplier.
If you want sedation and euphoria, stick with Bali. If you want stimulation and euphoria, try Maeng Da (start out with around 2g and work your way up if necessary). But I wouldn't bother trying for sedation with Maeng Da. It will probably disappoint you.
In my opinion, when you get to a high dose of Maeng Da, the negative side effects outweigh the positives. So start with a lower dose and work your way up. If you take 10g of Maeng Da your first time, realize that you might feel like shit for the next few hours. But this depends on your supplier.
If you want sedation and euphoria, stick with Bali. If you want stimulation and euphoria, try Maeng Da (start out with around 2g and work your way up if necessary). But I wouldn't bother trying for sedation with Maeng Da. It will probably disappoint you.