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Kratom MA kratom ban in effect on 8/28, only just found out today, broke and only 150g left or so. I am F U C K E D

Hey @lost weekend long time now talk. Yes, it is incredibly easy to access, legally and shows now sign of slowing down any time soon. Furthermore, if for some strange reason you don't want a prescription, it is cheaply available on the street for pennies as everyone has it, but that's not what we are discussing here.

In the United States, you can get a same-day, online appointment that ends with a Buprenorphine script being transmitted to a pharmacy of your choice.
 
Keif' Richards said:
Hey @lost weekend long time now talk. Yes, it is incredibly easy to access, legally and shows now sign of slowing down any time soon. Furthermore, if for some strange reason you don't want a prescription, it is cheaply available on the street for pennies as everyone has it, but that's not what we are discussing here.

In the United States, you can get a same-day, online appointment that ends with a Buprenorphine script being transmitted to a pharmacy of your choice.
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Hi Keif good to talk again ,in the UK you have to wait 2 weeks just for a phone appointment
But your right I'm going off in a tangent
Nice to hear from you👍
 
Bro,( mate?) now I wanna watch, Braveheart for the 100th time,lol.

I have been around and seen a lot of bad things. But I never saw a anyone fire it up( smoke weed, aka cannabis, and get violent or gone into wd/s from running out).

I know that for a long time; drug use was not a major issue in The UK.( the laws were changed in 1964, from what I read)?

I can understand some of the concerns; however there seems to be a huge stigma placed on recreational drug use.

However, violence and trouble seem to be a regular part of heavy alcohol abuse. I am not violent or abusive, (when I drank a lot).

The laws that were passed, this century, only seemed to turn in the UK into a place that has turned drug users into pariahs and made drunkards more acceptable in society. ( yeah there was stuff, done in the 20th century)

Yeah, I admit that in the past, that would've included me. Alcohol, the acceptable drug,lol.

It does scare me when I watched crime documentaries in the UK.

It seems like they can just arrest and put people in jail for suspicion.

In America, they have to have a real charges and be able to prove a case before aresting and detaining a person for more than 72 hours.

Honestly, there would would be 1000's of dead cops, if they were try holding people on mere suspicion for long periods of time.

What, ruin my life because you think I might have a connection to some crime? Arrest and detain a person without a valid arrest warrant and not go before a judge in less than 72 hours? Automatic dismissal and a huge lawsuit. Also there are people here, who would make them pay, dearly for that shit.

That is wrong, but it would happen. Unless they have a case that they can legally prosecute, then they can't hold you.

Also, if the cops come and want to question you; you can say do you have a warrant for my arrest?

If not, you can tell them to fuck off.

If they harass you; videotape it and sue them. They will, settle out of court if they violated your rights.
 
Jnowhere said:
Bro,( mate?) now I wanna watch, Braveheart for the 100th time,lol.

I have been around and seen a lot of bad things. But I never saw a anyone fire it up( smoke weed, aka cannabis, and get violent or gone into wd/s from running out).

I know that for a long time; drug use was not a major issue in The UK.( the laws were changed in 1964, from what I read)?

I can understand some of the concerns; however there seems to be a huge stigma placed on recreational drug use.

However, violence and trouble seem to be a regular part of heavy alcohol abuse. I am not violent or abusive, (when I drank a lot).

The laws that were passed, this century, only seemed to turn in the UK into a place that has turned drug users into pariahs and made drunkards more acceptable in society. ( yeah there was stuff, done in the 20th century)

Yeah, I admit that in the past, that would've included me. Alcohol, the acceptable drug,lol.

It does scare me when I watched crime documentaries in the UK.

It seems like they can just arrest and put people in jail for suspicion.

In America, they have to have a real charges and be able to prove a case before aresting and detaining a person for more than 72 hours.

Honestly, there would would be 1000's of dead cops, if they were try holding people on mere suspicion for long periods of time.

What, ruin my life because you think I might have a connection to some crime? Arrest and detain a person without a valid arrest warrant and not go before a judge in less than 72 hours? Automatic dismissal and a huge lawsuit. Also there are people here, who would make them pay, dearly for that shit.

That is wrong, but it would happen. Unless they have a case that they can legally prosecute, then they can't hold you.

Also, if the cops come and want to question you; you can say do you have a warrant for my arrest?

If not, you can tell them to fuck off.

If they harass you; videotape it and sue them. They will, settle out of court if they violated your rights.
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Domestic violence is a fairly big problem due to Alcohol, I suppose it is everywhere but historicaly Scotland didn't have a great reputation, now that's probably changed I'm sure it has but it was heavily influenced by football /soccer so much so the 2 big Glasgow clubs play each other at lunchtime before pubs open (others may say its a TV schedule thing but I don't believe it )
Regarding cops the worst are traffic cops ,they do there best to intimidate you ,they seem to have a heightened sense of importance, even your normal Bobby can't stand them
 
BourbonMac said:
Dude, shut the fuck up you weird fucktard. You really like the orange nuts that much? And how is this providing any input? Eat a dick.
I've wanted to kill myself like, all year, thanks for the encouragement! Literally go fuck yourself and fuck your mom while you're at it.

And mods, idgaf, ban me or whatever. I'm not dealing with shit very well right now so this motherfucking dunce has set the fire. I could say some really horrible fucked up shit that would easily get me perma banned but I like it enough here not to, even though this could already be for all I know 🤷‍♂️

Seriously, how the fuck is this helpful... fucking Koolaid ass motherfuckers.
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🤣🤣
 
Jnowhere said:
Bro,( mate?) now I wanna watch, Braveheart for the 100th time,lol.

I have been around and seen a lot of bad things. But I never saw a anyone fire it up( smoke weed, aka cannabis, and get violent or gone into wd/s from running out).

I know that for a long time; drug use was not a major issue in The UK.( the laws were changed in 1964, from what I read)?

I can understand some of the concerns; however there seems to be a huge stigma placed on recreational drug use.

However, violence and trouble seem to be a regular part of heavy alcohol abuse. I am not violent or abusive, (when I drank a lot).

The laws that were passed, this century, only seemed to turn in the UK into a place that has turned drug users into pariahs and made drunkards more acceptable in society. ( yeah there was stuff, done in the 20th century)

Yeah, I admit that in the past, that would've included me. Alcohol, the acceptable drug,lol.

It does scare me when I watched crime documentaries in the UK.

It seems like they can just arrest and put people in jail for suspicion.

In America, they have to have a real charges and be able to prove a case before aresting and detaining a person for more than 72 hours.

Honestly, there would would be 1000's of dead cops, if they were try holding people on mere suspicion for long periods of time.

What, ruin my life because you think I might have a connection to some crime? Arrest and detain a person without a valid arrest warrant and not go before a judge in less than 72 hours? Automatic dismissal and a huge lawsuit. Also there are people here, who would make them pay, dearly for that shit.

That is wrong, but it would happen. Unless they have a case that they can legally prosecute, then they can't hold you.

Also, if the cops come and want to question you; you can say do you have a warrant for my arrest?

If not, you can tell them to fuck off.

If they harass you; videotape it and sue them. They will, settle out of court if they violated your rights.
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Braveheart rocks by the way
 
BourbonMac said:
Anyone else in this boat? Even if I finally reduced my dose to 3g, I've taken 3.5g the past like, 4 days and it's been rocking my shit. I still feel the dose I took 12 hours ago, so now I'm like fuck. I'll go right back to 3g tomorrow and guess I have to force taper down, hit 2.5, 2.4, 2.3, just gradual. If I do this, should I be able to come off without any withdrawals?

I'm so flustered and panicking. I've taken this daily for 9 years at various doses that used to be very high, like 15g a day (for me that's ridiculous) or this period of like, 25g, but that was a MAJOR bunk batch considering I got some other shit, took 4g and was fucked up. I never even felt that bunk shit.

I'm on vacation too, I don't even get back till the 25th and literally have no money, tf do I do??? I'm fine with the fully taper off idea, but kratom does have legit use in my life as like, an as needed pain med and I don't really use it for recreation anymore like I used to. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I hate you, Healey, and I'm a leftist...

I just want some kind of comfort, some kind of "you'll be just fine" kind of comment, I don't even know. I plan to taper this down to literally a gram or half gram and then jump ship, but I have to do 3g for probably the next 2 days based on the increase lately, then I'll begin to get it down to 2.5 and below. THIS FUCKING SUCKS! I was in the process of tapering off my Gabapentin here, I didn't fucking know about this, when the fuck was this shit announced? Yesterday?

That's what it seems like to me. Now I have to increase the Gabapentin back some too??? I FINALLY got it back down to 1200mg and soon to be 900mg where it's extremely easy to taper in my experience, I've done it multiple times. I'd say this time it might be harder because 1600mg for a year is a lot but I used to just go crazy sometimes and take 3g for recreation. I don't really like how it feels anymore, so I never do that.
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What's stopping you from traveling to New Hampshire where it's still legal and resupplying what you need?
 
I mentioned being broke in the title. Also, I'm in the Midwest (why I'm so broke, visiting family). It's legal here, but you'll be paying $40 for 20g.
I'm back down to 3 grams flat, I'll just have to reduce by 0.1 or 0.2 from here. Whatever, at least if I taper off this shit I can focus on just buying weed instead which is vastly superior.
 
I knew 7OH would be kratom’s downfall. Someone always ruins a good thing. Maybe some states will see the difference between 7OH, MGM, etc and plain leaf, but I’m not counting on it. For those of you who still have access, keep a good amount for a slow taper. It’s not fun, but a very tolerable way to quit.
 
BourbonMac said:
I mentioned being broke in the title. Also, I'm in the Midwest (why I'm so broke, visiting family). It's legal here, but you'll be paying $40 for 20g.
I'm back down to 3 grams flat, I'll just have to reduce by 0.1 or 0.2 from here. Whatever, at least if I taper off this shit I can focus on just buying weed instead which is vastly superior.
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If you are going to be there for a week or so and have a reasonable place to receive it by mail, it is much cheaper to order it online. If your family doesn't let you, then maybe a friend can receive the package. Hell even renting a mailbox would be cheaper than $2 a gram, and you can get better quality.
But on the other hand, it's not a bad idea to dump the habit or at least decrease it greatly. I'm cutting mine down to almost nothing just because I realized that I don't like what it does to me even at low doses. (But that's another story)
Good luck
 
Again, refer to title. I'm too broke. I have no choice but to quit. Down to 2.9g today, I'll probably cut it down by 0.2g tomorrow. I'm surprised I even feel a strong buzz from this, but it's the first time I've taken a dose this low since I started taking it. I used to take bedtime doses around 2.5g to avoid restless legs, then one night I got too baked last year and forgot to dose, woke up with pretty bad restless legs, but since then, I stuck to only once daily dosing.

I'm just getting off this shit. I was panicking at first, now I'm just like, whatever, I don't care. I'll get to spend my YouTube payout on weed. It's shitty I can't receive this sooner but they don't give them to you until generally the 22nd-25th of the month AFTER you hit it. Either way, with what I have now, I'd still have enough kratom for at least 2 months and I bought this about 3 months ago.

I've deep down wanted to get off this shit for awhile. Well, here's my chance. I'll make an even sharper decrease for before I leave, but I hate that I had to dial the Gabapentin up to 1600mg when I'd finally gotten it to 1200mg. I can't even take 1200mg normally, like missing a dose on 1600 without waking up with terrible restless legs. Either way, I'll drop the Gabapentin dose as well while I'm at it also the day I leave, stay at the motel and then leave again.

I'll probably be so damn tired after getting back that I just go to bed and I'm sure I'll wake up with some restless legs. By that point, I hope to be below 2.5g but I should be, definitely. I've still got Valium too, which I also have been dialing back on, but I'll probably have to dial this up a little bit at some point. I guess that's fine, I nearly fully tapered off this last year despite me using 20-25mg on average usually. I've been taking 15 lately, I never let myself take 20mg anymore. The shit doesn't even do anything but make me tired anymore, the Gabapentin buzz I don't even know how I used to like. Wired, anxious and ants in my skin.
 
Well, you have wanted to get off it anyhow, and you are down to 2.9g which is really not much at all. Honestly, it sounds like you have your goal in sight. There is never any easy way to taper and quit but here you are getting it done, so that's good
 
I'm down to 2.5g now and this is giving me a buzz, so... is that a good sign, the fact that my tolerance is this low? I wouldn't even feel 6g much if at all for much of the time I'd still been dosing that high.

I intend to take only 2g flat, if not just under 2g within days. I'm just slightly worried at the fact that I feel this buzz. Even if I taper this to a half gram, I feel like I could still get wds, but I've heard of people who took extracts or 20g a day and shit and just tapered with megadosing Gabapentin, but I seriously don't wanna do that.

I at least have the shit on me with Valium, so maybe even if I jumped ship now, it'd just be a couple days of feeling like shit. I just don't know, I only know this is the lowest daily dose since like, the 1st time I ever took it in May 2017.
 
Fuck, I woke up with restless legs pretty bad. I don't actually know if that's from kratom wds, though. I drank hardly any water yesterday, and I've noted many times that if I'm dehydrated too much, it can FEEL just like kratom withdrawals with restless body and shit but not be. Even then, just because I felt 2.5g doesn't mean anything, but if I was just taking 2.8g, a drop this minor shouldn't have mattered, especially when I took my Gabapentin later in the evening.

After the 2.5g buzz kicked in today, I still felt pretty restless, so I think it's dehydration because I can't see how a drop this small would matter. Either way, it's 2.5g again today, so there shouldn't be any issues like this tomorrow. I'll be up like, all night anyway because it's my last day on vacation. Or, what should've been, it's just been constant family problems. Can't believe my cousins are back on the crystal and booze... they'd been doing so well.
 
BourbonMac said:
Fuck, I woke up with restless legs pretty bad. I don't actually know if that's from kratom wds, though. I drank hardly any water yesterday, and I've noted many times that if I'm dehydrated too much, it can FEEL just like kratom withdrawals with restless body and shit but not be. Even then, just because I felt 2.5g doesn't mean anything, but if I was just taking 2.8g, a drop this minor shouldn't have mattered, especially when I took my Gabapentin later in the evening.

After the 2.5g buzz kicked in today, I still felt pretty restless, so I think it's dehydration because I can't see how a drop this small would matter. Either way, it's 2.5g again today, so there shouldn't be any issues like this tomorrow. I'll be up like, all night anyway because it's my last day on vacation. Or, what should've been, it's just been constant family problems. Can't believe my cousins are back on the crystal and booze... they'd been doing so well.
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There are people on 1 gram+ per day of 7oh or half a gram of MGM15 getting caught cold turkeying right now, and you're freaking out over 2.5 grams per day of plain leaf. Perhaps build your thought process off of that...
 
Can people stop being such douches? Jesus. It's like, I've never encountered this shit until I made this thread. People have always been helpful and kind to me.
You might as well have said nothing.
 
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