Kratom MA kratom ban in effect on 8/28, only just found out today, broke and only 150g left or so. I am F U C K E D

[BourbonMac]

Anyone else in this boat? Even if I finally reduced my dose to 3g, I've taken 3.5g the past like, 4 days and it's been rocking my shit. I still feel the dose I took 12 hours ago, so now I'm like fuck. I'll go right back to 3g tomorrow and guess I have to force taper down, hit 2.5, 2.4, 2.3, just gradual. If I do this, should I be able to come off without any withdrawals?

I'm so flustered and panicking. I've taken this daily for 9 years at various doses that used to be very high, like 15g a day (for me that's ridiculous) or this period of like, 25g, but that was a MAJOR bunk batch considering I got some other shit, took 4g and was fucked up. I never even felt that bunk shit.

I'm on vacation too, I don't even get back till the 25th and literally have no money, tf do I do??? I'm fine with the fully taper off idea, but kratom does have legit use in my life as like, an as needed pain med and I don't really use it for recreation anymore like I used to. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I hate you, Healey, and I'm a leftist...

I just want some kind of comfort, some kind of "you'll be just fine" kind of comment, I don't even know. I plan to taper this down to literally a gram or half gram and then jump ship, but I have to do 3g for probably the next 2 days based on the increase lately, then I'll begin to get it down to 2.5 and below. THIS FUCKING SUCKS! I was in the process of tapering off my Gabapentin here, I didn't fucking know about this, when the fuck was this shit announced? Yesterday?

That's what it seems like to me. Now I have to increase the Gabapentin back some too??? I FINALLY got it back down to 1200mg and soon to be 900mg where it's extremely easy to taper in my experience, I've done it multiple times. I'd say this time it might be harder because 1600mg for a year is a lot but I used to just go crazy sometimes and take 3g for recreation. I don't really like how it feels anymore, so I never do that.

 

[Jnowhere]

Anyone else in this boat? Even if I finally reduced my dose to 3g, I've taken 3.5g the past like, 4 days and it's been rocking my shit. I still feel the dose I took 12 hours ago, so now I'm like fuck. I'll go right back to 3g tomorrow and guess I have to force taper down, hit 2.5, 2.4, 2.3, just gradual. If I do this, should I be able to come off without any withdrawals?

I'm so flustered and panicking. I've taken this daily for 9 years at various doses that used to be very high, like 15g a day (for me that's ridiculous) or this period of like, 25g, but that was a MAJOR bunk batch considering I got some other shit, took 4g and was fucked up. I never even felt that bunk shit.

I'm on vacation too, I don't even get back till the 25th and literally have no money, tf do I do??? I'm fine with the fully taper off idea, but kratom does have legit use in my life as like, an as needed pain med and I don't really use it for recreation anymore like I used to. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I hate you, Healey, and I'm a leftist...

I just want some kind of comfort, some kind of "you'll be just fine" kind of comment, I don't even know. I plan to taper this down to literally a gram or half gram and then jump ship, but I have to do 3g for probably the next 2 days based on the increase lately, then I'll begin to get it down to 2.5 and below. THIS FUCKING SUCKS! I was in the process of tapering off my Gabapentin here, I didn't fucking know about this, when the fuck was this shit announced? Yesterday?

That's what it seems like to me. Now I have to increase the Gabapentin back some too??? I FINALLY got it back down to 1200mg and soon to be 900mg where it's extremely easy to taper in my experience, I've done it multiple times. I'd say this time it might be harder because 1600mg for a year is a lot but I used to just go crazy sometimes and take 3g for recreation. I don't really like how it feels anymore, so I never do that.

Well guess what? It was the left wingers, like.. oh I don't know; president obama who called for a war on opiods.

You live in a leftist state and you are surprised that; Big Brother is controlling you,lol.

Wake up, you are just another victim of Big Brother and the Leftist Machine.

Make sure you are careful what say; Big Brother is watching and listening to you,lol.

Yeah your; I'm a leftist pleas, are a joke, lol

What don't you know? Once the leftists are told their matching orders; you are nothing to them.

I'm a leftist, that is hysterical,lol. Then finding out, that they ones banning everything, are the lefties.

I found that out in my swing state of Michigan, but Kratom is still legal, I think.

Funny, maybe you will wake up, and become a right of center Libertarian.

Pro- America and small government. But, no you want Big Brother. Well guess what? That is what you want; and that is what you are going to get. Enjoy.

 

[BourbonMac]

Dude, shut the fuck up you weird fucktard. You really like the orange nuts that much? And how is this providing any input? Eat a dick.
I've wanted to kill myself like, all year, thanks for the encouragement! Literally go fuck yourself and fuck your mom while you're at it.

And mods, idgaf, ban me or whatever. I'm not dealing with shit very well right now so this motherfucking dunce has set the fire. I could say some really horrible fucked up shit that would easily get me perma banned but I like it enough here not to, even though this could already be for all I know

Seriously, how the fuck is this helpful... fucking Koolaid ass motherfuckers.

 

[puke]

Well what dude just said isn't true but it's gonna be banned for everyone pretty soon, sorry ur just finding out now. I think I'm gonna order another bunch since we have time here in Illinois.

 

[Jnowhere]

Dude, shut the fuck up you weird fucktard. You really like the orange nuts that much? And how is this providing any input? Eat a dick.
I've wanted to kill myself like, all year, thanks for the encouragement! Literally go fuck yourself and fuck your mom while you're at it.

And mods, idgaf, ban me or whatever. I'm not dealing with shit very well right now so this motherfucking dunce has set the fire.

Yeah, cry and say you are going to kill yourself again for attention. Good luck, with your miserable life,lol

You have been threatening to kill yourself since 2023 and probably before it,lol. Whatever; you are just a sad excuse for a human like, being.

Please, bourbanmac, stop wasting everyone's time and cry somewhere else.

Oh, I am sorry; are you going to cry some more. Wow, you are a sorry excuse for a, 'man', lol.

What, you have been threatening suicide and crying about misery; yet you refuse to change.

You are hopeless. One way or another you are the ' Boy Who Cried Wolf' and we all know it.

You have no money , but are on vacation? You have to be joking.

You spew rage; but you refuse to accept reality. ???????? Yeah, you are a pathetic hopeless sad sack of shit.

What, are you going to cry about next? I am almost about ready to money, on that one,lol.

 

[lost weekend]

Maybe they will repackage it as something else
We had a somewhat blanket ban in uk in 2016 for any substance deemed psychoactive with a few exceptions of course ,coffee ,tobacco, alcohol and +TEA+
Nutmeg was not on the list of exemptions as far as I'm aware

 

[Jnowhere]

Damn, I really was surprised that as America was loosening it drug laws; the UK was tightening them.

I am not here to criticize your country; but I found that realy odd.

Seriously, I get coupons for weed and there are billboards for Marijuana. I am not complaining, but wow the UK government was on a rampage against drugs as we were trying to lessen them.

Seriously, WTF?

 

[lost weekend]

Anyone else in this boat? Even if I finally reduced my dose to 3g, I've taken 3.5g the past like, 4 days and it's been rocking my shit. I still feel the dose I took 12 hours ago, so now I'm like fuck. I'll go right back to 3g tomorrow and guess I have to force taper down, hit 2.5, 2.4, 2.3, just gradual. If I do this, should I be able to come off without any withdrawals?

I'm so flustered and panicking. I've taken this daily for 9 years at various doses that used to be very high, like 15g a day (for me that's ridiculous) or this period of like, 25g, but that was a MAJOR bunk batch considering I got some other shit, took 4g and was fucked up. I never even felt that bunk shit.

I'm on vacation too, I don't even get back till the 25th and literally have no money, tf do I do??? I'm fine with the fully taper off idea, but kratom does have legit use in my life as like, an as needed pain med and I don't really use it for recreation anymore like I used to. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I hate you, Healey, and I'm a leftist...

I just want some kind of comfort, some kind of "you'll be just fine" kind of comment, I don't even know. I plan to taper this down to literally a gram or half gram and then jump ship, but I have to do 3g for probably the next 2 days based on the increase lately, then I'll begin to get it down to 2.5 and below. THIS FUCKING SUCKS! I was in the process of tapering off my Gabapentin here, I didn't fucking know about this, when the fuck was this shit announced? Yesterday?

That's what it seems like to me. Now I have to increase the Gabapentin back some too??? I FINALLY got it back down to 1200mg and soon to be 900mg where it's extremely easy to taper in my experience, I've done it multiple times. I'd say this time it might be harder because 1600mg for a year is a lot but I used to just go crazy sometimes and take 3g for recreation. I don't really like how it feels anymore, so I never do that.

I stopped kratom cold turkey over 4 months ago after 18 years along with 5 year benzo habit so can't say how it affected me.im certain the benzo wd were worse
I'm sure you've been without kratom before for a few days and it's not nice ,stomach problems, lack of motivation, depression
Once physical wd subside you just have to deal with the psychological cravings ,a big part of your life is gone
Least you have access to gabapentin

 

[lost weekend]

Damn, I really was surprised that as America was loosening it drug laws; the UK was tightening them.

I am not here to criticize your country; but I found that realy odd.

Seriously, I get coupons for weed and there are billboards for Marijuana. I am not complaining, but wow the UK government was on a rampage against drugs as we were trying to lessen them.

Seriously, WTF?

Yes they really put there foot down and since the 2016 act I've heard it has wiped out all the evil companies dealing in morning beverages from South East Asia

 

[lost weekend]

Anyone else in this boat? Even if I finally reduced my dose to 3g, I've taken 3.5g the past like, 4 days and it's been rocking my shit. I still feel the dose I took 12 hours ago, so now I'm like fuck. I'll go right back to 3g tomorrow and guess I have to force taper down, hit 2.5, 2.4, 2.3, just gradual. If I do this, should I be able to come off without any withdrawals?

I'm so flustered and panicking. I've taken this daily for 9 years at various doses that used to be very high, like 15g a day (for me that's ridiculous) or this period of like, 25g, but that was a MAJOR bunk batch considering I got some other shit, took 4g and was fucked up. I never even felt that bunk shit.

I'm on vacation too, I don't even get back till the 25th and literally have no money, tf do I do??? I'm fine with the fully taper off idea, but kratom does have legit use in my life as like, an as needed pain med and I don't really use it for recreation anymore like I used to. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I hate you, Healey, and I'm a leftist...

I just want some kind of comfort, some kind of "you'll be just fine" kind of comment, I don't even know. I plan to taper this down to literally a gram or half gram and then jump ship, but I have to do 3g for probably the next 2 days based on the increase lately, then I'll begin to get it down to 2.5 and below. THIS FUCKING SUCKS! I was in the process of tapering off my Gabapentin here, I didn't fucking know about this, when the fuck was this shit announced? Yesterday?

That's what it seems like to me. Now I have to increase the Gabapentin back some too??? I FINALLY got it back down to 1200mg and soon to be 900mg where it's extremely easy to taper in my experience, I've done it multiple times. I'd say this time it might be harder because 1600mg for a year is a lot but I used to just go crazy sometimes and take 3g for recreation. I don't really like how it feels anymore, so I never do that.

Move to Thailand ,it's alot cheaper there

 

[lost weekend]

Damn, I really was surprised that as America was loosening it drug laws; the UK was tightening them.

I am not here to criticize your country; but I found that realy odd.

Seriously, I get coupons for weed and there are billboards for Marijuana. I am not complaining, but wow the UK government was on a rampage against drugs as we were trying to lessen them.

Seriously, WTF?

The uk and especially Scotland are draconian when it comes to drugs
Ironic really as Scotland has one of the highest drug deaths per head of population in Europe
But the SNP are on it ,just as we speak there's a huge gofundme campaign to purchase some new motor homes so Swinney and the rest of the party can travel the length of the country (in comfort of course) and get the message across that DRUGS ARE BAD
it's critical, well thought out and practical ideas like this that is going to make a huge difference and lift people out of drug dependency

 

[Jnowhere]

lol, Hey bro, I get what you are saying. I guess, I have been naive and thought that all of, Europe had a more practical and enlightened approach to drugs.

Yeah, I get that they are bad. That is why I don't mess with illegal ones. Seriously, I am not one to mess with anything that, I can't get prescribed, bought at a liquor store or bar, a smoke shop, ect......

I have never had issues with illegal drugs. Also, I guess I was naive to think that a more liberal society; such as the UK would have less draconian laws, regarding personal use amounts of illegal drugs.

I am shocked to find out that we have a Republican president and although I don't, I could legally grow and smoke weed here, in the state I live in.

I studied about European politics in what you guys call University( going to College here) and I always assumed that if any country, would take a more liberal path in regards to drugs; it would be The UK.

I can personally attest to the fact that alcohol in large quantities is basically like being on hard drugs.
The damage, the wd/s and the social isolation.

Anyways, thanks for helping educate me on the matter. Funny, though, No matter what they do there will be those who do what a free man does. Whatever he pleases, till he is caged like an animal.
Sad. Thanks, for helping me better understand. Hopefully things will change for the better, for the people of your country.

Also, are they actually trying to tax people who drive to work. I saw an article about places being charged a tax for having parking spots, WTF, is that really gaining traction( no pun intended) across the pond?

Also, I like people in general from the UK; but are they actually trying to discourage and make certain patriotic flags and there display, illegal? Sorry, bro, that is just a weird vibe I got from reading articles about The UK. From what I have read in certain online news sites?

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Anyone else in this boat? Even if I finally reduced my dose to 3g, I've taken 3.5g the past like, 4 days and it's been rocking my shit. I still feel the dose I took 12 hours ago, so now I'm like fuck. I'll go right back to 3g tomorrow and guess I have to force taper down, hit 2.5, 2.4, 2.3, just gradual. If I do this, should I be able to come off without any withdrawals?

I'm so flustered and panicking. I've taken this daily for 9 years at various doses that used to be very high, like 15g a day (for me that's ridiculous) or this period of like, 25g, but that was a MAJOR bunk batch considering I got some other shit, took 4g and was fucked up. I never even felt that bunk shit.

I'm on vacation too, I don't even get back till the 25th and literally have no money, tf do I do??? I'm fine with the fully taper off idea, but kratom does have legit use in my life as like, an as needed pain med and I don't really use it for recreation anymore like I used to. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. I hate you, Healey, and I'm a leftist...

I just want some kind of comfort, some kind of "you'll be just fine" kind of comment, I don't even know. I plan to taper this down to literally a gram or half gram and then jump ship, but I have to do 3g for probably the next 2 days based on the increase lately, then I'll begin to get it down to 2.5 and below. THIS FUCKING SUCKS! I was in the process of tapering off my Gabapentin here, I didn't fucking know about this, when the fuck was this shit announced? Yesterday?

That's what it seems like to me. Now I have to increase the Gabapentin back some too??? I FINALLY got it back down to 1200mg and soon to be 900mg where it's extremely easy to taper in my experience, I've done it multiple times. I'd say this time it might be harder because 1600mg for a year is a lot but I used to just go crazy sometimes and take 3g for recreation. I don't really like how it feels anymore, so I never do that.

So you played with a form of Opiate & now wanna cry when you learn you'll be sick is what I take from this thread.
You sure won't be fine & you'll be sick in some form, I have no experience with Kratom but I know Heroin very well so I can only wish you the best.

With a tolerance like that for Pre-gab they won't do anything to help, in my case 600mg of them takes away nearly all the dopesick feeling but you are another case.

You never been caught short & had to go sick before!!!!!!?????

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I studied about European politics in what you guys call University( going to College here) and I always assumed that if any country, would take a more liberal path in regards to drugs; it would be The UK.

Why is this?

Also, are they actually trying to tax people who drive to work. I saw an article about places being charged a tax for having parking spots, WTF, is that really gaining traction( no pun intended) across the pond?

Yes

Also, I like people in general from the UK; but are they actually trying to discourage and make certain patriotic flags and there display, illegal? Sorry, bro, that is just a weird vibe I got from reading articles about The UK. From what I have read in certain online news sites?

It's news to me but I could see Labour trying to push this idea, a Flag is nothing but some Cotton with shapes & a few colours on it, it only holds "meaning" about a bit of dirt that is spinning through the Sky because people think it is.

Also, I like people in general from the UK

I'm touched, thanks for caring about us.

 

[lost weekend]

lol, Hey bro, I get what you are saying. I guess, I have been naive and thought that all of, Europe had a more practical and enlightened approach to drugs.

Yeah, I get that they are bad. That is why I don't mess with illegal ones. Seriously, I am not one to mess with anything that, I can't get prescribed, bought at a liquor store or bar, a smoke shop, ect......

I have never had issues with illegal drugs. Also, I guess I was naive to think that a more liberal society; such as the UK would have less draconian laws, regarding personal use amounts of illegal drugs.

I am shocked to find out that we have a Republican president and although I don't, I could legally grow and smoke weed here, in the state I live in.

I studied about European politics in what you guys call University( going to College here) and I always assumed that if any country, would take a more liberal path in regards to drugs; it would be The UK.

I can personally attest to the fact that alcohol in large quantities is basically like being on hard drugs.
The damage, the wd/s and the social isolation.

Anyways, thanks for helping educate me on the matter. Funny, though, No matter what they do there will be those who do what a free man does. Whatever he pleases, till he is caged like an animal.
Sad. Thanks, for helping me better understand. Hopefully things will change for the better, for the people of your country.

Also, are they actually trying to tax people who drive to work. I saw an article about places being charged a tax for having parking spots, WTF, is that really gaining traction( no pun intended) across the pond?

Also, I like people in general from the UK; but are they actually trying to discourage and make certain patriotic flags and there display, illegal? Sorry, bro, that is just a weird vibe I got from reading articles about The UK. From what I have read in certain online news sites?

Our big cities and towns are so small and congested parking is near impossible
If you live in my city more often you need to purchase a parking permit to park outside your flat,but that only applies to your own particular street,if you wanted a permit to park anywhere it costs around 1000 pounds a year ,that's up north so probably cheaper than England
We also have LEZ now so if your car or van dosnt meet certain immesions (like mine) you get fined for entering zones ,of course at the same time a big fancy 4x4 gas guzzler is fine ?
Alcohol is a huge problem, especially in Scotland and is by far the most destructive drug in our society
I spent 24 hours in a cell when I was 21 for being caught in possession of 10 diazapam tablets ,charged,fingerprinted the old bend over routine .
Luckily I just received a warning from procurator fiscal but they do there best to shame you after being arrested, especially for drugs
I'm not a fan of the union Jack for obvious reasons but I've no issues seeing the Saltire raised

 

[lost weekend]

I'm not 100 percent sure but I think there are instances of on the spot fines for personal amounts of cannabis ie a joint your smoking but some one else will surely be able to give you a correct answer

 

[doubledog]

I think you will be fine, your daily kratom dose is not very high and with good taper plan you won't suffer much.
Besides, I am sure that it will be still available even after ban.

In my (european) country, kratom is illegal for years, despite the fact that number of users before the ban was very small. Strange world.

 

[lost weekend]

I think you will be fine, your daily kratom dose is not very high and with good taper plan you won't suffer much.
Besides, I am sure that it will be still available even after ban.

In my (european) country, kratom is illegal for years, despite the fact that number of users before the ban was very small. Strange world.

In my country as far as I'm aware it is not listed as illegal, just as psychoactive
As far as I'm aware it is not illegal to posses ,I would imagine issues would arise if you were silly enough to import it into the country and through customs
I don't have exact figures but I believe only a handful of arrests have been made due to that particular reason.

 

[Keif' Richards]

I am not here to make anyone feel bad. I see that there is a lot of emotion already going back and forth in this thread. I am not speaking for anyone in particular. I see that @BourbonMac has been taking this drug for almost a decade. He isn't the only one. A "licit" user of Opioids who sees their supply getting cut off is a lot different than it is for those of use lifelong "illicit" users with toolboxes from which to pull. I do not know your whole story @BourbonMac but I would be freaked out too if I heard my entire supply were being cut off.

I think any of us can relate to being terrified by our addictions and the consequences. I just want everyone to think. It is really easy to say it's nothing when you're on top and doing fine. It's another thing to be totally beat and facing the firing squad. Please, let's not make this into a political conversation. We are not here to discuss politics, especially when it is not coming from a position of good faith, but instead being used solely to demean and bring down those with other points of view. There is a reason they say "don't discuss religion, sex, or politics" in polite company, right? We strive to keep everything on topic and moving in the direction of positive, Harm Reduction for our members. By injecting the partisan politics into this, it creates an entirely new, unwanted dimension of discussion that makes the truth even more elusive. I will not censor you, but please think about our members and try to be kind.

Now, OP, I will be straight up with you. Most people don't like this, but it's just how it is. Buprenorphine is something you should seriously consider. It is legal, easy to access and will likely help with your pain. It could even be as effective as the Kratom, who knows. It will keep you from withdrawal long enough to make a more informed decision about your future. A lot of people look, at Buprenorphine as if it is in some kind of different league than Kratom for some reason. That is entirely cultural. If anything, the fact that they are both partial agonists should give you confidence.

I know half a dozen people personally who are on Buprenorphine due to the upcoming/present Kratom ban and they are just fine. They found their appropriate dosage, generally 2mg-4mg at the most and they now have all the time in the world to make their next decision. If you want any more information, I am more than happy to help.

 

[lost weekend]

I am not here to make anyone feel bad. I see that there is a lot of emotion already going back and forth in this thread. I am not speaking for anyone in particular. I see that @BourbonMac has been taking this drug for almost a decade. He isn't the only one. A "licit" user of Opioids who sees their supply getting cut off is a lot different than it is for those of use lifelong "illicit" users with toolboxes from which to pull. I do not know your whole story @BourbonMac but I would be freaked out too if I heard my entire supply were being cut off.

I think any of us can relate to being terrified by our addictions and the consequences. I just want everyone to think. It is really easy to say it's nothing when you're on top and doing fine. It's another thing to be totally beat and facing the firing squad. Please, let's not make this into a political conversation. We are not here to discuss politics, especially when it is not coming from a position of good faith, but instead being used solely to demean and bring down those with other points of view. There is a reason they say "don't discuss religion, sex, or politics" in polite company, right? We strive to keep everything on topic and moving in the direction of positive, Harm Reduction for our members. By injecting the partisan politics into this, it creates an entirely new, unwanted dimension of discussion that makes the truth even more elusive. I will not censor you, but please think about our members and try to be kind.

Now, OP, I will be straight up with you. Most people don't like this, but it's just how it is. Buprenorphine is something you should seriously consider. It is legal, easy to access and will likely help with your pain. It could even be as effective as the Kratom, who knows. It will keep you from withdrawal long enough to make a more informed decision about your future. A lot of people look, at Buprenorphine as if it is in some kind of different league than Kratom for some reason. That is entirely cultural. If anything, the fact that they are both partial agonists should give you confidence.

I know half a dozen people personally who are on Buprenorphine due to the upcoming/present Kratom ban and they are just fine. They found their appropriate dosage, generally 2mg-4mg at the most and they now have all the time in the world to make their next decision. If you want any more information, I am more than happy to help.

Hi Keif ,when you say Buprenorphine is easy to access, is that via a prescription in US/Canada