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m and st johns wort? heard it could be a dangerous combo

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starlett7

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So I've been taking st johns wort for a couple weeks now and I railed some m a few days ago not realising it could be dangerous but nothing bad happend.

I'm planning on rolling again in a few days and i'm wondering if i should stop the st johns wort because it could cause serotonin syndrome?
How true is this, has anyone experienced bad effects from combining the two and if it is in fact dangerous, would a 4 day break off sjw be enough before rolling?
 
Sorry about the late reply


Its not really understood how SJW works, but due to its wide range of actions, SS is very possible. A few days break is all you should really need, but a week is much safer.

Also I wouldnt roll that often, the effects will be severely diminished and you will speed the "loss of magic", up 10 fold
 
I wish people would stop taking so many supplements to circumvent a well-needed break.

The reason nothing happened to you is likely because you have a massive tolerance to MDMA, your serotonin system is already fucked apparently.

4 day break from SJW should be fine IMO but why not just ditch the supplements and take a damn break and let your SERT heal up properly?
 
Well I'm taking the SJW for other reasons, mostly for my anxiety (which I've had long before I started doing mdma) not so I can roll more often... And I wasn't planning on doing mdma that night but shit happens and that was two weeks ago, I usually take month long breaks and after this one I'm taking at least a 3 month break.


Anyways, thanks for the input! I know it would have been better to stop the SJW sooner but it didn't even occur to me to stop it until I made this thread.
 
^once a month is quite often tbh. If nothing bad happened from taking MDMA + SJW i would imagine your SERT network is not currently in good condition. It usually causes serotonin syndrome which made me feel like shit when i got it once (nausea/vomiting); very sick feeling like piperazines almost. It can be fatal in severe cases. But if you didn't get SS from it it's probably a sign your SERT needs a break from rolling.
 
Not at all. once a month is fine for most people. Saying that if you DON'T get sick from that combo then your sert system is fucked up that's just bullshit tbh... Nausea and vomiting doesn't mean it's SS at all. It's not even comparable. To the point. OP I would stay away from SJW atleast a week or two before rolling. It's a mild SSRI and would hate to dampen your roll...
 
^ once a month for how long? You honestly believe your SERT is in top condition after rolling monthly? Nausea and vomiting is not SS? What would you call it then when you take 5HTP with MDMA? Because i did that once with confirmed MDMA and got sick as hell. Sure wasn't the MDMA.

In fact SJW would downregulate the SERT

Most older more experienced rollers seem to recommend 60-90 day breaks being optimal, especially someone who has anxiety would likely need even longer to avoid anxiety issues. Older more experienced i.e. Alex Shulgin. Try reading some PIHKAL for more info :)
 
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