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LSH works

As a person with chemistry exprience (academic, not clandestine), i'm kind of wary of this whole proposal, especially considering the strength of the bonds being broken/made in such a reaction.

I think its just subjective enhancement with the added benefit of a minty flavor and possibly less nausea due to the peppermint (im all for mixing psyches with/in teas, i usually take ginger tea when tripping)
 
With a CWE the amount of LSA floating around will be extremely small in comparison to the amount of h2o (duh!), and so I'm not sure that a tea bag that contains acetaldehyde would be able to really interact with the LSA at any significant level. I mean you are only getting hundreds of micrograms of LSA in grams of h20.
 
Liquid Sunshine said:
Also, the swim thing achieves nothing but irritating everyone, and won't protect you from legal ramifications in the highly unlikely situation that the police ever read any of those posts.
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it irritates Liquid Sunshine.. so don't do it! k?!

if it makes you feel more comfortable, by all means, swim away. :)
 
GooGooG'joob said:
in over 2 years as Swim was in prison.. swims next experiment is to try to make LSH gel tab "window Panes"
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er.. how bout just enjoying stuff for you? no need to package the whole thing.. i also liked how you used peppermint tea instead of more expensive peppermint extract.. mellow. <3
 
yucatanboy2 said:
As a person with chemistry exprience (academic, not clandestine), i'm kind of wary of this whole proposal, especially considering the strength of the bonds being broken/made in such a reaction.
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i dunno.. as a person with cooking experience, i think it could be possible.

yucatanboy2 said:
..possibly less nausea due to the peppermint..
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this could def. be a factor.. but then, think about it.. if that's true, then all the people that were skeptical that peppermint did anything at all.. we know so little about atoms even though we think we know so much.. if experience says it works, whether or not for the reason we think it does, im with that!
 
Verybuffed said:
I know people that have been doing this for years that have never had any kind of visuals whatsoever with LSH. HWBR seeds are used here.
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Then why did they keep going?

I only had mild visuals during my LSH(?) trips but I took doses extracted from 10 seeds which is pretty low with the seeds I get here. It has a decidedly higher mindfuck per visual ratio than LSD, though. But I found it to be a very potent night vision enhancer and mood stimulant, as well as psychedelic.
 
LSH Geltabs?

I have searched this site and other sites but can not find an answer for this question.

What would happen if someone were to extract LSA from seeds and make an LSH solution then make geltabs (windowpanes)

Would this remain LSH or would it revert to LSA? and if it does remain LSH how long would it keep in a dark cold place?

I would love to have a medium other than liquid for LSH
 
Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide its made with LSA and peppermint supposedly. Its more like LSD

I tried it and it works but i hear it can not be dried out
 
I have considerable doubt that LSH is even formed using peppermint (oil), since there is little data to confirm this so it's kind of hard to operate under such a weak assumption.
Where did you even hear it cannot be used in solid form?
 
first of all, the conversion of LSA to LSH has not been proven. it is one possible reaction between LSA and acetaldehyde, but it may need catalysis which can break down LSA first.

second, peppermint oil only has acetaldehyde when very fresh-- acetaldehyde is highly volatile and is NOT present in dried peppermint leaves or tea.

third, concentration of LSA requires repeated acid-base extractions under an inert atmosphere. the highest concentration sources for LSA are seeds, which contain numerous fats and proteins that must be separated. LSA freebase is a yellow oil that decomposes quickly with heat and light; LSA tartrate is a white crystal with similar properties to LSD tartrate (stable in dark cool dry conditions).

until you perform some detailed IR/NMR/GC-MS work with your extracts, i'm going to say that LSH is a myth that proves the power of placebo. LSA however is very real and if you have the equipment and technique to concentrate it, there is no reason you couldn't get it to a fairly pure white crystal for powder/gelcap dosing.
 
Interesting, I wonder if acid-base extraction and defatting using that process would be enough for any "pure enough" result or if chromatography is essential. (For LSA that is)
 
i forget the source, but apparently 3x acid-base using tartaric acid/h2o for the acid phase and ammonia/dcm for the basic phase yielded the very pure yellow oil freebase LSA. all under inert atmosphere of course.
 
OK I know some of you say that LSH is fake or whatever, but all I know is that I noticed considerable difference between LSA + peppermint and just plain LSA
 
i'm not saying it's fake; the adduct of an amide (LSA) and aldehyde (acetaldehyde) is a perfectly possible chemical reaction. but acetaldehyde is a very reactive and volatile compound, and is present only in very fresh peppermint oil. it is also an intermediate in the in-vivo oxidation of ethanol to acetic acid.

more likely is you felt some of menthol's physical and psychoactive effects; it is a known anti-emetic and calming agent for aromatherapy, and has mild kappa opioid agonism.

what form of peppermint did you use? steam-distilled pep oil is unlikely to contain any acetaldehyde at all.
 
We can't really know unless someone who actually knows what they're doing, examines the liquid, before tea bag is inserted & 12-24 hours after inserted.
 
I just used a plain Peppermint teabag. I have used MG before and had no open eye visuals, nor did time slowdown like on LSD. But when i took the LSA extract + peppermint tea I got strong visuals and time slowed down. Maybe it is just the menthol, I dont know for sure, but i know i like the effects.

Anyway do you think this would still work if I made the LSA+ Peppermint into Gel tabs.
 
Ohhhhh. I forgot to ask this.

Could I make a potent cold water extraction by extracting 100 MG seeds in a little distilled water, then strain the water and extract 100 more in the same water.

Could I keep doing this over and over to get alot of LSA in a small amount of water????
 
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