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LSD vs Magic Mushrooms and safety

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childofthe60's

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So here is my deal. I have two friends. To make a long story short and spare you guys the details the first one did acid on a whim with the wrong people, place, mindset, etc and had a bad bad time. Afterwards he had insane fucking anxiety (he does have clinical anxiety in general) and for months afterwards freaked the fuck out about going schizo because he was adopted and didn't know his family history. Keep in mind that he only did two hits of nothing special acid that were to the best of my knowledge and from personal experience 100 micrograms each.

Later he does mushrooms and has a blast. We recently got friend number 2 to smoke weed and he also was with us sober when friend number 1 and I were on mushrooms. Now friend number 2 wants to try mushrooms, which I'm very excited for, but views acid as tant amount to heroin. This is mainly because my first friend has been telling him what a horrible experience he has had on acid and what a great time he will have on shrooms.

So here is my problem. My first friend has been feeding my second friend a very biased bullshit slant on acid when I'm telling the second friend that it can be equally a beautiful experience and something just as worth trying. When I confront friend number 2 who has not done either and ask him why he has such a negative association with acid and a positive one with shrooms he can never give me a straight answer. The most I've gotten out of him is a bullshit narrative of "oh well mushrooms are more natural so natural= good right?" I asked him about it and he says friend number one has shown him convincing evidence that acid is much more harmful, but when I asked to see the evidence he says that friend number one only brought up a 3D molecule picture of Psilocin and Psilocybin and commented on how "natural looking they are" or how "they work better with our brain chemistry because they're natural."

The reason I am pissed off beyond all belief is that I have had great experiences with both drugs and I will admit that I like acid better. However I both of my friends are going into the "natural=good" or "feels organic" or "natural=safe" discourse with giving evidence a high schooler could blow out their ass. I think friend number 2 is getting a very false impression of drugs from friend number 1 and also how to gauge the safety of them when neither of them have really researched either. I'm around them both a lot and this conversation comes up a lot, but they treat me like I'm trying to push acid onto them when I'm telling them that their "facts" are very unfounded and what they are measuring this on is wrong.

Ultimately I want to ask this. Can somebody direct me to the most legitimate source they have on the risks, health affects, long term affects, etc. are with LSD and Magic Mushrooms. I really want to dispel these myths once and for all because they have been driving me insane. I respect their choices, but the reasons they are doing them for are, IMO, complete and udder bullshit. Any comments on the situation in general are welcome.
 
Hi, welcome to Bluelight :)

That's very sad that you're friend is interpreting cid as a "bad drug."
I suggest you're friend hit up erowid.com
 
Shit i have not had any acid for years, if i find some i will take it. I use to be so famouse in northern Cali for supplying all of Sonoma and Marin county with doses. everyone knew that if they had paper doses they came through way of me. wow getting old sucks. Im 36 now and im not 18 with a pocket full of money, a cool ass car, sheets of doses, and a grin from ear to ear. ahhhh the good old days. wish i had a dose or two or three or four i would come out of retirement. I guess getting married will do that to somone it will mkae them straiten there shit up.
 
I used to have printed off information that I asked my pediatrician for, back when I had one, about the medical community's non-biased non-politically motivated take on the safety of these drugs, but I lost it. My understanding is that because of their status we don't really have the multi-tested or very good procedures controlling for tests that we would like. In essence it is difficult to find a trusted official word on these things. I have explored many sites like this one and erowid, but I'm hoping for something more legitimate and un-biased.
 
No. My friend has never touched acid and probably never will again. I really think he is undercutting himself out of a great experience.
 
One thing about shrooms, they either ARE or they AREN'T. I would guess that probably near 100% of the time the acid/LSD that is sold on the "street" is not really LSD.
 
Yea i agree where are you getting you're acid from?? I'de find a new contact. Probably near 100%? So really you're not even sure. I can tell the difference between Miss lucy and the other products people try to impersinate
 
How would one be able to tell the difference, if one has never actually done real LSD to begin with, though? Other than it was like the last time or that other timne or it was not like that last time or that other time. LSD oxiizes and degrades and is destroyed relatively easily by air, water, and light.
 
An LSD trip, as reported by Hoffman and all the others who discovered/distributed acid would explain in details the effects of it. LSD is extremely unique, and there is absolutely little to no other chemical, let alone potent psychedelic that is small enough to be put onto blotter paper.
 
For me!! when you go on a trip you are given the tools and oportunity to learn!!!
To learn to be yourself!!! To see yourself!!! to take everythng that life throws at you with as much salt as you want!!

We all have the rest of our lives to make our minds up about how to see ourselves, the people around us and the event that shape our destiny!!

If your mates have a thing about acid, well thats ok!!
Whatever acid was going to teach them, mushrooms will too!!!!
 
specialrelativity said:
One thing about shrooms, they either ARE or they AREN'T. I would guess that probably near 100% of the time the acid/LSD that is sold on the "street" is not really LSD.
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That's just simply not true. If it was so easy to mimic the effects of LSD and then sell it as LSD, why wouldn't people just admit that it was not in fact, LSD?

Reminds me of the scene from Pineapple Express from the beginning where the soldier is like "Can I ask you something? Why are we underground? We should be out there, shouting from the rooftops: 'Item 9 exists! It's the bees knees!'."

If there was a drug that so closely mimicked all of the positive effects of LSD, I'm pretty sure people would still be willing to pay for it. I think most people would be pretty excited at the idea of another psychedelic as potent as LSD.

And as a side note, if I haven't been getting LSD, then what have I been getting? ....Cause I've been having a fantastic time with whatever it is. ;)
 
Oh and to OP:

I have friends that are the exact same. They all get creeped out when I say I have acid and would like to dose a tab or 2 with them, yet they jump at the chance to eat an 8th of shrooms.

I have told them repeatedly that an 8th of shrooms can quickly become a much more difficult experience than one little hit of acid. But alas, it is hard to fight the argument "Mushrooms are natural, acid comes from a lab."

Just tell your friends that natural does not equal easy. There is no rule that states that because shrooms grow in the ground that they will not induce the very same (or more intense) anxiety that your friend was stricken with on acid. Point in case: cannabis. I have read many posts from fellow BLers that say they get super anxious on weed, but they find acid to be calm and clear-headed.

Maybe the best idea is just tell both your friends to head on and read a bunch of posts on BlueLight and Erowid, and make the decision based on what they learn.
 
I think what it comes down to is both acid and mushrooms are mentally exhausting, by taking either you are putting up a psychological risk. However like most people here, I feel strongly that mushrooms tend to be alot more intense mentally than lsd, but thats just my experience. But a bad experience is more than enough to leave some one afraid of a certain drug, and thats more of a personal thing, I don't think you should try to convince him or her back into acid. They will come back if they feel the need to.
 
cigresyl said:
I think what it comes down to is both acid and mushrooms are mentally exhausting
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Got that right. Every time I get done tripping fully I'm ready to pass the fuck out.

Side note: It seems that the day after I trip mushrooms I tend to have more of a hangover (mild headache, general feeling of fatigue) whereas with LSD I have a wonderful afterglow. Are the alkaloids to blame?
 
Set and setting are what makes a trip, apart from adding some illegal substances :)

Mushrooms in general more of a head fuck, and seems more "serious" then an acid trip. More then likely gonna lose your shit on shrooms then acid.

Your mate needs to experience a good LSD trip before saying that to your other mate.

Tell either of them to hit up PD here on bluelight for more info then they could ask for!

Bottom line respect psychs, and do them in the right environment with the right people.
 
i consider LSD and mushrooms to be so similar that it does bother me for someone to say that one is so much better.. lol.. my friend told me the other day that "he just wasn't brought up in the 60's to experience the fun times of acid" while he will do shrooms.. again - it bothers me because i know that LSD can be the most fun drug in the world if you are a good mind set... :)
 
Many people do prefer mushrooms over LSD or vice versa.

I enjoy them both as to me they are completely different experiences.
 
There is a ton of info to be found if you dig well here in PD and in the main threads about the prejudice of natural vs. synthetic drugs and LSD vs. Mushrooms.

There are differences that could favor one over the other, such as duration of the trip or affection of thoughts vs. emotion. But there are also generally a lot of myths used to argue that LSD is more dangerous or in other ways inferior to mushrooms.
I have heard though that LSD has a somewhat bigger chance of destabilizing an already mentally instable person but it's all not really significant from my experience and everything I've heard of other people about acid and shrooms.

If you have some latent mental instability or predisposition to mental illness both of these drugs are not recommended for you at all. Especially potent psychedelics and - I think - sigma agonists are what I guess really increases this contraindication.

About my personal preference: I first got extensive experience with mushrooms because they were legal here and it was the only thing I had access to. Then LSD became available to me and I preferred it for a long time because it appeals more to my ratio and I am a more rational person, by that I mean my thoughts and intellectual understanding seem to have developed asymmetrically further than my emotions. That must be - I really believe - why LSD has always been less confusing for me.

But after years of tripping and being almost too familiar with handling LSD's effects on my thoughts and feelings I am not leaning back to mushrooms for appealing to my emotions and irrationality deeply which is much more useful for me now, very worthwhile and beneficial.

This is subjective and quite personal. If such a thing as objectivity were truly possible I'd say that both drugs are equally good and have awesome potential.
 
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