LSD less dangerous than alcohol, says government's drug adviser

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Drugs less dangerous than alcohol, says government's drug adviser

From The Times UK:

The Government’s chief drug adviser has suggested that Ecstasy, LSD and cannabis are less dangerous than both alcohol and cigarettes.

David Nutt, chairman of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, attacked the decision to make cannabis a Class B drug. He accused the former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, who reclassified the drug, of “distorting and devaluing” scientific research.

Professor Nutt said smoking cannabis created only a “relatively small risk” of psychotic illness, adding that all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, should be ranked by a “harm” index.

He said that alcohol came fifth behind cocaine, heroin, barbiturates and methadone, while tobacco should rank ninth, ahead of cannabis, LSD and Ecstasy. His views are published today as a briefing paper for the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King’s College London.

It is not the first time that Professor Nutt has courted controversy. He first recommended the introduction of a drugs’ harm scale in a paper in The Lancet in 2007, when he also suggested that alcohol would rate higher than substances such as LSD. Earlier this year he suggested that the dangers of taking Ecstasy were no greater than those of frequent horse riding, which he repeats in the latest paper.

Professor Nutt attacks the “artificial” separation of alcohol and tobacco from illegal drugs. “No one is suggesting that drugs are not harmful. The critical question is one of scale and degree.

“We need a full and open discussion of the evidence and a mature debate about what the drug laws are for — and whether they are doing their job.”

The paper — Estimating Drug Harms: A Risky Business? — criticises the decision to increase penalties for supplying Class C drugs. The move to double the maximum prison sentence from seven to 14 years was taken as a “tit-for-tat” move when cannabis was downgraded, Professor Nutt said.

In recent years drug classification policy has become “quite complex and highly politicised”, he said. The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs’ (ACMD) review of cannabis classification, ordered in 2007, was the result of a “skunk scare”, he claimed.

Overall, cannabis users faced a “relatively small” risk of getting a psychotic illness compared with the risks of smokers contracting lung cancer. Ms Smith’s decision to reclassify it as a “precautionary step” sent mixed messages and undermined public faith in government science, he said.

He added: “I think we have to accept young people like to experiment — with drugs and other potentially harmful activities — and what we should be doing in all of this is to protect them from harm at this stage of their lives.

We therefore have to provide more accurate and credible information. If you think that scaring kids will stop them using, you are probably wrong.”

James Brokenshire, the Conservative home affairs spokesman, said that Professor Nutt’s comments only added to the confusion over drug classification.

“Giving simple labels of levels of harm risk gives a false impression of the dangers,” he said. “Drugs like GBL [a ‘party’ drug] can be lethal if taken in combination with alcohol.

“Rather than providing clearer evidence on the harms linked to illicit drugs, Professor Nutt is making an overtly political pitch and that isn’t helpful.”
 
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“Giving simple labels of levels of harm risk gives a false impression of the dangers,” he said. “Drugs like GBL [a ‘party’ drug] can be lethal if taken in combination with alcohol.

“Rather than providing clearer evidence on the harms linked to illicit drugs, Professor Nutt is making an overtly political pitch and that isn’t helpful.”

yes Alcohol in combination with other drugs can be very dangerous exactly the point made by this professor. dunno why politicians think they can make an opinion that doesn't rely on the facts they state and that we will be convinced by the opinion? duh
 
Nutt is doing some amazing things.

Indeed he is! It's a shame he seems to get ignored by the UK Government (his employer!) when he offers them his experience and advice (ie: tells them something they don't want to hear)

He was on a programme called 'Do I Drink Too Much?' a few weeks ago, testing out alcohol replacement type drugs on the presenter. Worth a watch if you can find it on BBC iPlayer. :)
 
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Alcohol is so firmly rooted into UK culture, stating it is more dangerous than ecstasy is not something that will sit comfortably with any mainstream politician. (Other than the Lib Dems)

In 2006, 5.2% of the income of the average UK household was spent on booze. That adds up to a lot of revenue to the gov't.

Alan Johnson probably wrote his demand for Nutt's resignation in the Commons' Bar.

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Always good to read that there are atleast a few people in Government who are sensible about drugs and can actually read a set of facts and understand them rather than trying to twist them. It is about time some drug advisors spoke up because I really can't believe any intelligent person who's job it is to concern themselves with facts and figures about drug use wouldn't draw similar conclusions.
 
Cannabis row drugs adviser sacked

Cannabis row drugs adviser sacked
The UK's chief drugs adviser has been sacked by Home Secretary Alan Johnson, after criticising government policies.

Professor David Nutt, head of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, criticised the decision to reclassify cannabis to Class B from C.

He accused ministers of devaluing and distorting evidence and said drugs classification was being politicised.

The home secretary said he had "lost confidence" in his advice and asked him to step down.

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) is the UK's official drugs advisory body.

Following his sacking, Prof Nutt told the BBC he stood by his claim that cannabis should not be a Class B drug, based on its effects.

He described his sacking as a "serious challenge to the value of science in relation to the government".

And he denied that he had been trying to undermine the government's policies on drugs.

"I am disappointed because, to be honest, all I was trying to do was help. I wasn't challenging the government," said the former adviser.

"We can help them. We can give them very good advice, and it would be much more simpler if they took that advice rather than getting tangled up in other sorts of messages which frankly really do confuse the public."

Prof Nutt said he was not prepared to "mislead" the public about the effects of drugs in order to convey a moral "message" on the government's behalf.

Earlier this week Prof Nutt used a lecture at King's College, London, to attack what he called the "artificial" separation of alcohol and tobacco from illegal drugs.

The professor said smoking cannabis created only a "relatively small risk" of psychotic illness.

Phil Willis MP, chairman of the science and technology select committee, said he would write to the home secretary to ask for clarification as to why Prof David Nutt had been sacked "at a time when independent scientific advice to government is essential".

"It is disturbing if an independent scientist should be removed for reporting sound scientific advice," he said.

Public concern over the links between high-strength cannabis, known as skunk, and mental illness led the government to reclassify cannabis to Class B last year.

In the past, Prof Nutt has also claimed that taking ecstasy is no more dangerous than riding a horse.

In a letter, the home secretary wrote: "I cannot have public confusion between scientific advice and policy and have therefore lost confidence in your ability to advise me as chair of the ACMD.

"I would therefore ask you to step down from the Council with immediate effect."

In his reply, Prof Nutt said he was "disappointed" by the sentiments expressed by Mr Johnson.

He added: "Whilst I accept that there is a distinction between scientific advice and government policy there is clearly a degree of overlap.

"If scientists are not allowed to engage in the debate at this interface then you devalue their contribution to policy making and undermine a major source of carefully considered and evidence-based advice."

'Disgraceful' decision

Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said the sacking had been "an inevitable decision" after Prof Nutt's "latest ill-judged contribution to the debate".

But Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said the decision to sack the adviser had been "disgraceful".

"What is the point of having independent scientific advice if as soon as you get some advice that you don't like, you sack the person who has given it to you?" he said.

Mr Huhne said if the government did not want to take expert scientific advice, it might as well have "a committee of tabloid newspaper editors to advise on drugs policy".

Similarly, Claudia Rubin from Release - a national centre of expertise on drugs and drugs law - said the expert should not have been penalised.

Cannabis reclassification

"It's a real shame and a real indictment of the government's refusal to take any proper advice on this subject," she said.

And Prof Colin Blakemore, professor of neuroscience at Oxford University and former chief executive of the Medical Research Council, said the government could not expect experts who serve on its independent committees not to voice their concern if the advice they give is rejected.

"I worry that the dismissal of Prof Nutt will discourage academic and clinical experts from offering their knowledge and time to help the government in the future," he said.

Possession of Class B drugs carries a maximum sentence of five years in jail while possession of Class C drugs carries a maximum sentence of two years imprisonment.

In 2004, then Home Secretary David Blunkett had approved the reclassification of cannabis from Class B - which it had been since 1971 - to Class C.

But in 2008, Jacqui Smith announced that she would reverse the 2004 decision and put cannabis back into category B.

The decision was taken despite official advisers recommending against the change.

Ministers said they wanted to make the move as a precautionary measure.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8334774.stm
 
^ Oh, for fuck's sake. This government makes me want to repeatedly bang my head against the wall. What a useless shower of utter bastards.:X
 
That is so shit, just when theres a glimmer of hope theres someone with 2 braincells to rub together in Government they go and boot him out for speaking his mind. This is pure and utter shite!
 
'More to quit' in drug advice row

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8335189.stm

The UK's chief drugs adviser is predicting there will be resignations after he was forced to quit for criticising government policy.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said the scientific independence of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs was undermined by Prof Nutt's comments.

The professor most recently criticised the decision to reclassify cannabis to Class B from C.

His sacking has been criticised by some drug research groups and MPs.

Prof Nutt told the BBC's Newsnight the confidence of government scientists had been undermined by his sacking and their work was being devalued.

"I hope there will be no more sackings but I would not be at all surprised if other members of my council resigned," he said.

"One has already told me he will resign and I wouldn't be surprised if others do."

'Small risk'

He told the BBC he stood by his claim that cannabis should not be a Class B drug, based on its effects.

He described his sacking as an example of the government's "Luddite attitude" towards science and accused Gordon Brown of making "irrational" remarks about the dangers of cannabis.

But he denied that he had been trying to undermine the government's policies on drugs.

Earlier this week Prof Nutt used a lecture at King's College, London, to attack what he called the "artificial" separation of alcohol and tobacco from illegal drugs.

The professor said smoking cannabis created only a "relatively small risk" of psychotic illness.

In the past, he has also claimed that taking ecstasy is no more dangerous than riding a horse.

The BBC's Danny Shaw said Prof Nutt had accused the government of using the classification system as a tool to send out an anti-drugs message, rather than to rate drugs in terms of actual risk.

If that was indeed ministers' intention then Prof Nutt said they should be honest about it, rather than pretend classification was based on real physical and mental dangers, our correspondent said.

'Inevitable decision'

Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said the sacking had been "an inevitable decision" after Prof Nutt's "latest ill-judged contribution to the debate".

But Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said the decision to sack the adviser had been "disgraceful".

Claudia Rubin from Release - a national centre of thinking on drugs and drugs law - said the expert should not have been penalised.

Harry Shapiro, director of communications at DrugScope, said: "It would be naive not to expect those tasked with giving advice on drug policy to generate some controversy and debate.

"The Home Secretary's decision to force the resignation of the chair of an independent advisory body is an extremely serious and concerning development and raises serious questions about the means by which drug policy is informed and kept under review."

Meanwhile, the Commons Science and Technology Select Committee has asked Mr Johnson to clarify why Prof Nutt was removed at a time when independent scientific advice was essential.

Phil Willis MP, Chairman of the committee, said: "It is disturbing if an independent scientist should be removed for reporting sound scientific advice."

Prof Colin Blakemore, professor of neuroscience at Oxford University and former chief executive of the Medical Research Council, said the government could not expect experts who serve on its independent committees not to voice their concern if the advice they give is rejected.

But Prof Nutt's predecessor at the ACMD, Sir Michael Rawlins, said ministers had rejected advice in the past and would continue to do so.

He said: "Governments may well have good reasons for taking an alternative view... When that happens, then the government should explain why it's ignoring the particular advice and I think that's generally accepted as the principle."

The former government chief scientific adviser Sir David King said Professor Nutt had "stepped over the line" in criticising politicians but he agreed with him that classification should be based on the best scientific understanding.
 
It proves they lie.
By repeatedly refusing to listen to the facts and disregarding sound scientific recommendations, the government proves policy is not based on scientific truth. Based on that , they have zero credibility in my eyes.
 
Not surprised by this at all, this government are a bunch of ignorant fuckwits, it was all over the news when he came out talking about alcohol & tobacco being worse than many drugs that are classed as illegal, plus other great things he said (some people just can't accept that at all), the government had to respond immediately to try & take away credibility from this expert in the field of pharmacology & the CHIEF advisor on drug classification TO the government. Lets hope the "damage" has been done.

It amazes me! I know of some people who even after hearing Professor Nutt's comments in the media & my own ramblings, have the damn cheek to call me a druggie (in a scummy sort of way) for having a couple of teaspoons of Kratom tea as an alternative, while they swig down vodka & coke while acting like total pissheads (shame alcohol doesn't make people more open minded). Personally I stopped drinking a couple of weeks ago, I am sick of the stuff, I would barely drink 4 pints of beer & end up with a 3 day hangover & feeling like my whole body was poisoned, I'll maybe have a pint here & there but then again even a pint makes me feel quite shitty. Will be trying Kava as an alternative soon.

Thank for the heads up on that programme 7zark7 good watch, the link is here for anyone who is interested "Do I drink to much?" = http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ndtxm#p004rcdp
 
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Drugs adviser was wrong - Johnson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8336509.stm

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said he thought his ex-chief drugs adviser was "wrong" on cannabis - but sacked him for "crossing a line" into politics.

Mr Johnson also denied Professor David Nutt's claim he had been sacked on Prime Minister Gordon Brown's order.

He told Sky News: "You cannot have a chief adviser... campaigning against government decisions."

Prof Nutt says cannabis is less harmful than alcohol or nicotine and had been reclassified for political reasons.

He told the BBC last week the government had ignored advice and upgraded cannabis to a Class B drug against the scientific evidence and "on the whim of the prime minister".

Since being sacked via e-mail by Mr Johnson, Prof Nutt has predicted there would be further resignations from the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs which he headed.

Mr Johnson said he hoped there would not be resignations, adding: "This was not about Prof Nutt's views, which I respect though I don't agree with them."

He told Sunday Live with Adam Boulton: "The advice we get from scientists, whether we like it or not, is the advice.

"We have to take the decisions and be big enough and strong enough and bold enough to stand up on those decisions.

"What you cannot have is a chief adviser at the same time stepping into the political field and campaigning against government decisions. You can do one or the other. You can't do both."

Mr Johnson said that Prof Nutt had "crossed the line between offering advice and then campaigning against the government on political decisions".

He said that in the past advice from chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson and ex-chief scientific officer Sir David King had not been acted on, but they had not then gone on to publicly campaign against the government's decision.

Earlier Sir Liam Donaldson told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show rows between advisers and politicians were best kept behind closed doors: "I think to find yourself in a situation like this is very controversial.

"These things are best sorted out behind the scenes so that the government and their advisers can go to the public with a united front."
 
Home Secretary Alan Johnson said he thought his ex-chief drugs adviser was "wrong" on cannabis

So an ex-postman knows better than a doctor of medicine with a bachelor of medicine degree, bachelor of surgery degree and masters of arts degree...

"You cannot have a chief adviser... campaigning against government decisions."

Am I being a little unreasonable in saying that another way to read that would be, "You can only have a chief advisor... campaigning for government decisions"?

That would suit them, wouldn't it!
 
Also, does anyone (in the UK) find it slightly ironic and amusing that Prof. Nutt was 'sacked' on the same day that Prince Edward suggested that the risk of death was part of the attraction of the Duke of Edinburgh award scheme? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8333204.stm)
 
Second drugs adviser quits post

[size=+1]Second drugs adviser quits post[/size]
A second adviser to the government has resigned in protest at Home Secretary Alan Johnson's sacking of his chief drugs adviser, Prof David Nutt.


Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs member Marion Walker quit, following the earlier resignation of Dr Les King.

Prof Nutt was sacked after calling cannabis less harmful than alcohol and nicotine, and saying it was upgraded to Class B for political reasons.

Mr Johnson said Prof Nutt was sacked for "crossing a line" into politics.

Ms Walker had been the advisory body (ACMD) member from the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, and is also clinical director of Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust's substance misuse service.

After being dismissed via e-mail by Mr Johnson, Prof Nutt predicted there would be further resignations from the government advisory body that he headed.

He is said to be "pleased" at Ms Walker's resignation, but added that her departure "means we have no-one now looking at that vast group of people who prescribe drugs and advise people about drugs, drug harms from the over-the-counter and prescription side".

The BBC understands that several other members of the ACMD are currently considering their next move, in response to Prof Nutt's dismissal.

The sacking came after Prof Nutt said cannabis had been upgraded by the government to Class B against scientific evidence.

The reclassification had been for political reasons and "on the whim of the prime minister", he claimed.

There was "very strong feeling" among the council's members over Prof Nutt's sacking, Dr King said after the announcement of his resignation.

"I'm not going to say just how many I think might resign but there is an extremely angry feeling among most council members.

"Amongst the scientists, I think a number will resign. It doesn't need the whole council to resign for the thing to stop working."

Dr King was appointed on 3 April 2008 and wrote a book on the Misuse of Drugs Act in 2003. He was previously head of the Drugs Intelligence Unit in the Forensic Science Service.

Prof Nutt has told the BBC that the council's position is "untenable".

He said: "I think the position of scientists on the council's untenable, because I cannot see how Alan Johnson, given what he's just said, which clearly indicates he doesn't understand how scientists think, how scientists on council could continue to work with him."

Confirming Dr King's resignation, the Home Office said in a statement: "We're not going to give a running commentary on the speculation around further resignations. We will not be commenting further."

Speaking to Sky News on Sunday, Mr Johnson said he thought his ex-chief drugs adviser was "wrong" on cannabis - but sacked him for "crossing a line" into politics.

"What you cannot have is a chief adviser at the same time stepping into the political field and campaigning against government decisions. You can do one or the other. You can't do both."

Mr Johnson said that Prof Nutt had "crossed the line between offering advice and then campaigning against the government on political decisions".

But Labour peer Lord Robert Winston told BBC Radio 4's The World This Weekend he was "very surprised and disappointed" by Mr Johnson's actions.

He warned that the government would be ignored if it gave advice to the public that did not take account of scientists' opinions and said Prof Nutt had made a "very reasonable" point about the relative dangers of illegal and legal drugs.

Lord Winston, professor of science and society at Imperial College London, said: "I think that if governments appoint expert advice they shouldn't dismiss it so lightly. I think it shows a rather poor understanding of the value of science."

Dr Evan Harris MP, Liberal Democrat science spokesman, said: "I fear there will be many more resignations unless the government acts to restore confidence among its independent scientific advisers, upon which it relies for advice on matters from nuclear safety to childhood vaccination."

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wow thats some fucked up shit. governments go to great lengths to keep the propaganda flowing
 
Good to see people walking after this outrage. Fuck the Government they are such nazi's ofcourse and advisor is going to speak out against a Government decision when they stupidly ignore the advice. Why do they have avisors if they are not going to listen to them? Hopefully the whole bloody panel walks out on them and shows the world what a joke it is Nutt was sacked.
 
That is a fucking bullshit outcome. How public is this in the UK? Even anti-drug people might be able to see the issue with this.
 
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