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LSD Discussion Thread (Australian Centric) v II

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family acid refers to acid made by the famous 'family' that supplied the best acid, and had the best crystal, to the scenes in the states that surrounded the gratefull dead tour.

i think family acid may have actually been the the famous crystal called white fluff.
some of the best acid ever supposedly.

the purple liquid that some have raved about over the last 2 years is said to be incredibly inferior to white fluff.

so, that family acid must be one sweet pussy to suck eh?
 
Question, just out of interest what exactly is family acid? i've heard it referred to on here and in real life a bit. Googled it but couldn't really find anything.

Family acid is when someone produces and/or lays some of the best acid which is destined for a tight circle of generally hippie friends:)
 
Three hours into a recent LSD trip i consumed some meth.. and i really enjoyed it :) really enjoyed it... is there a name for this?? i know u have candy flipping (mdma+LSD) but is there one for (meth+LSD)
 
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Three hours into a recent LSD trip i consumed some meth.. and i really enjoyed it :) really enjoyed it... is there a name for this?? i know u have candy flipping (mdma+LSD) but is there one for (meth+LSD)

Yep, we call it "Evil". Some times it will turn out quite fun, other times you are going to go to hell and back, and then back to hell again.. and back.

PTSD is not un-common from bad trips, that combo is a good way to achieve it.
 
I constantly warn people of this combination.

Sometimes you can pull it off and this will be a great experience filled with euphoria.

I have had good experiences on low doses of both and good experiences on high doses of both.

I have also experienced and had to baby sit others that have severe reactions to the stimulant/LSD (and/or other psych) combo.

As Jakeperson mentioned, PTSD is not uncommon with bad trips and this is an easy way to experience it whether you are careful or not.

The exact same dosage that worked for you last night, could trigger a severely bad trip the next time you indulge.

Be careful mistee
 
I'm not positive and it is a bit late for me to go trolling through old threads to find it, but IIRC there was an article posted in DitM back when I used to mod there that claimed a few members of 'The Family' had been busted. I could be mistaken, or maybe the article was just full of shit.

To whoever asked who 'The Family' is, they are a well known syndicate that is rumoured to supply a great deal of the LSD in North America and the product they manufacture is said to be second to none. I am neither American nor big in the acid scene, so there is a distinct possibility I am wrong on this, although I believe it is widely regarded as common knowledge in the right circles.
 
^^The family is common knowledge in the right circles, but it is also commonly used as bullshit jargen to sell LSD that is not family acid. The truth is that there is no way of proving it's existence.

Family acid used to be the ducks guts in the days of the grateful dead and for a short time after. It is rumored that their chemists still cook from time to time, but these chemist are not the true dead family chemists. The family chemists have long since moved on. The family pioneers were Stanley "the bear" Owsley (who I had the pleasure of meeting and talking to at last years EGA conference) and Tim Scully. Owsley developed his own method of making LSD 99% free of impurities so this is where the hype comes from. They produced 300,000 270ug hits of "white lightning". He was busted in 1967 and served 3 years.

The Bear is now a naturalized Australian and lives in Northern Qld. He has had nothing to do with drug manufacture for many years, but i'm sure his legacy and recipe continues in the right hands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owsley_Stanley

In 1968 with 'the bear' in jail, Tim Scully teamed up with Nicholas Sand to produce the infamous orange sunshine microdots. They made some 3.6 million high dose hits of LSD.

Sand bailed over the border to Canada while on bail after he was prosecuted and sentence to 15 years for LSD manufacture. He continued to make LSD, many other drugs and even precursors there for many years before the Canadian police finally busted him. He made several kilos of LSD, an amazing feat by any standard.

All of these guys were amazingly skilled chemists and will go down in history as legends in the field of illicit drug manufacture.

In September 1996, Sand surfaced as a drug suspect in Vancouver, British Columbia. According to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, he was living under the name David Roy Shepard, and his true identity was not discovered until his fingerprints were sent to the FBI lab in Washington, D.C., nearly two months after his arrest. The RCMP says Sand was one of seven people who were operating one of the largest LSD labs in North American history, a facility near Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, that produced enough acid to dose every man, woman and child in Canada 1.5 times.

Sand served prison time in Canada and the United States from 1996 to 2000 for the manufacture of psychedelic drugs including, but not limited to, MDMA, MDA, DMT, LSD, and mescaline. He also produced an analog of LSD known as lysergic acid sec-butylamide. Sand was sentenced to nine years in Canada but was returned to the United States as he was still living underground due to charges of LSD production from the early 70's. Nicholas Sand is credited with the largest poly-drug clandestine laboratory to be encountered in Canada. His laboratory was secreted in an industrial complex in a suburb of Vancouver, British Columbia. His lab was of a level of sophistication never encountered before by police investigators or clandestine lab specialists from Health Canada. Sand worked diligently in his lab several months each summer and resided in Mexico for the rest of the year. For 1995, he estimated a net income of 1.8 million dollars for three months of work. The substances produced in his lab were destined for a worldwide market, and also included MDP-2-P or piperonyl methyl ketone (an MDMA precursor), which was quite rare in Canada at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Sand

I have only just touched on the family, but that should give a good outline of who they were and what they did for the LSD scene.

The Swiss are currently doing a bang up job of making highly pure LSD. I wouldn't worry too much about finding 'family acid' and as long as you stay away from the dirty black acid that has recently been circulating and respect this divine substance, you should have a blast :)
 
yeh i think ill def pass of the meth and LSD combo next time, maybe just a once off experience.... how bout candy flipping is that much better, like is it as risky??
now i am over reacting a little in my head you say PTSD, i would know if i had this by now hey?? i mean i suffered no side effects just a long tired recovery.
a little concerned that is all.
 
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^^ you will only suffer from PTSD if you have an extremely difficult experience and have trouble making sense of that experience. You enjoyed the combo on the weekend so you wont suffer from any PTSD like symptoms. Just watch it in future because stims and psychs in combo have a tendency to flick the crazy switch upstairs :)

AS for candy flipping, combinations of substances can be harmful and some are outright dangerous. This combo is moderately safe and gives some nice effects. Just don't bother with any of the current pills. Chances are if you dosed a current bean you would be ingesting amphetamines, pipes or other research chemicals that wont give you the candy flipping effect that I speak highly of. The pipes and LSD combo is especially nasty and has dropped a few trippers in recent years. When there are some decent pills around, try dosing half of your normal LSD dose and then half of your normal MDMA roll dose around the 1 hour mark to test the waters. It will give you a good idea as to what dose would suite you with this combo.
 
great sounds good!!!

shit couldnt imagine have a BZP and LSD combo jeeze that would be lethal, i couldnt think of anything worst.

i really look forward to theday i obtain mdma been alongh time. then i shall experience a candy flip :)
 
How much meth did you have? While I'm not surprised to hear about psychosis horror stories, I imagine a puff o' glass or like, one or two dexies could only make a trip better.
 
While lower doses of meth in this combo rarely lead to any distress. I have witnessed a few people completely lose their shit from as little as a toke on the glass dick (10 maybe 20mg).

I have ran into difficulty on <50mg meth in combo with LSD. I have also puffed hard all night on LSD. It's akin to drawing straws. No matter what precaution you take, it could go bad and when it does go bad, you will enter a psychosomatic state. You're better off avoiding the mental torture and embaressment IMO
 
I have ran into difficulty on <50mg meth in combo with LSD. I have also puffed hard all night on LSD. It's akin to drawing straws. No matter what precaution you take, it could go bad and when it does go bad, you will enter a psychosomatic state. You're better off avoiding the mental torture and embaressment IMO

+1, I feel like we are going on here but I can't stress this enough.

I had a good friend get addicted to meth but couldn't get over his fixation with LSD when he got his hand on some, and was in and out of psychosis for a month, not fun for any one involved. Especially when he tried to kill himself by ODing on methadone.
 
+2 i've seen way too many of my crackhead friends go into deep psychosis + endless mind loops that went on for hours when they mixed meth and lsd.

It is def no fun yo :)

But I guess its a mistake people have to find out the hard way :)
 
Yep, only time I've ever had to take an anti-psychotic during a trip was because of eating 2 decent hits of acid after having d-amp earlier in the day (stupid, I know). Other times I've enjoyed the combo however, always with the opposite timing (amps after the peak of the trip atleast). Mushrooms seem to be kinder when a stimulant is added for me atleast when it comes to psychs. Though I don't do those kind of combos anymore really.

The seroquel didn't stop the trip completely, just kind of turned it into a strange fucked up experience though I was much calmer and not having a bad trip, just laid on my bed with my mind going into a psychedelic mush :\ I've had acid many times all being mostly great trips but this was the only one I felt the need to abort. When the combo disagrees with you, you'll be set for massive paranoia/delusions, extreme anxiety/panic, visuals will/may take on a very negative nature, you'll experience psychotic symptoms basically (and I'm not talking about the usual acid craziness ;)).

As you guys have been saying definitely be careful with the amphetamines and acid combo, can go either way, really good or really bad, not worth the risk until experienced with both drugs atleast.
 
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I'll chime in and anecdotally agree that stims + lsd is an absolute reecipe for mental disaster and doesn't show acid the respect it deserves. I learnt this the hard way eating a couple of microdots after a three day stretch on meth. Not huge doses of either but apparently more than enough for trouble. The experience could be described as horrific and traumatic and it turned me off both substances for quite a while with months of residual paranoia and anxiety.... :(

That said I'd have some abso-fucking-lutely amazing candy-flipping experiences =D
 
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wow i am really suprised to see how commonly the meth + LSD combo is known for danger, ill stop rambling on about it.. but yehi had under a point and i ate it, cause i dont like to smoke it, altho peer pressured i still stayed strong and didnt toke on the glassy. along with half a lsd tab followed by the other half later on....

really glad i didnt have a bad episode, i really shoulda read up on it first,

thanks bluelight

i love you
 
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