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Lysergamides [LSA Subthread] LSA's vs. LSD

LSA isn't commonly converted to LSD, most (if not all) LSD synths starts with Ergotamine Tartrate. LSD is a synthetic ergot derivative, LSA is natural.

Read some trip reports and you'll see a vast difference between the two. Then take each separately and get your balls blown off by LSD.
 
First reason I can think of is potency... isn't LSD like 30 times more potent or something?

Second reason is that effects of LSA are a whole lot less interesting overall.

And then I asked myself... why do you buy and eat processed food when you could easily live of berries, nuts and other forrest bshit?
 
First of all, you could mean any number of things when you say "LSA". There are scads of different chemicals in your avergae morningglory seed, or HBWR seed. Which one would you convert? Second, while not impossible to convert one of the present alkyloids, (i'm probably wrong, it seems damn near impossible), it would be pointlessly complicated, considering the other routes for a synthesis.

That said, LSD is more prized than LSAs for a number of reasons. Its scarce, it has far fewer negative side effects reported (cold sweats, leg cramps, vomiting, indigestion, loose stool, I could go on), and the physical effects (for most, not all) are far more profound and psychedelic.

Try both, you'll see what I'm talking about.

I'm editing your thread title, by the way.
 
res said:
LSA isn't commonly converted to LSD, most (if not all) LSD synths starts with Ergotamine Tartrate. LSD is a synthetic ergot derivative, LSA is natural.
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Well I guess that you're really proud of the fact that you know that ET is the common precursor to LSD synthesis, but overall, this has got nothing to do with the query.

Also, since you mention the fancy explanation of LSD being a synthetic derivate of ergot, I might just allow myself to educate you, that if you have a naturally pre-existing substance, ie. LSA, then it's enough to describe LSD as a derivative, but if you really want to be knowledgeable, use 'semi-synthetic' term then.
 
atlas said:
.That said, LSD is more prized than LSAs for a number of reasons. Its scarce, it has far fewer negative side effects reported (cold sweats, leg cramps, vomiting, indigestion, loose stool, I could go on), and the physical effects (for most, not all) are far more profound and psychedelic.
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I was always under the impression that most of the ergotism symptoms you describe are related to other ergot alkaloids present in MGS and that havaian shit... But then, i figure we're both in a state of darkness, due to the fact that poster didn't properly explain whether he's talking about seeds or photo sensitive, unstable blah blah blah extracted LSA. I will stop here, puzzled...
 
Achaemenian said:
Well I guess that you're really proud of the fact that you know that ET is the common precursor to LSD synthesis, but overall, this has got nothing to do with the query.

Also, since you mention the fancy explanation of LSD being a synthetic derivate of ergot, I might just allow myself to educate you, that if you have a naturally pre-existing substance, ie. LSA, then it's enough to describe LSD as a derivative, but if you really want to be knowledgeable, use 'semi-synthetic' term then.
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Res' report was helpful; yours was not. He was responding to the thread title "why isn't lsa converted into lsd." And he said you can't. Suggesting that using "semi-synthetic" instead of "synthetic" would make him knowledgeable is assinine. Frankly, you are the only one who appears to be overly proud of your knowledge of LSD.
 
huntmich, first of all, you could make an effort of being a bit more eloquent in your posts, and second, if you can't comprehend the content of the thread, then you don't really have to post in such a judgemental tone as to what is helpful and what is not.

Thread title is 'why is LSA being converted to LSD', now whether 'LSA can be converted to LSD'. I believe that the answers given were pretty accurate, and about the ET thing... You see, ET is preferred precursor to LSD synth because it's easier to work with and because it's obtainable from pharm. sources in some countries (it's used as a migraine headache treatment thing). My reaction to res's mentioning was mostly due to the fact that it was an irrelevant piece of information on this occasion, served in order to show us how 'knowledgeable' he is.

As for LSA ----> LSD, you see, LSD actually means diethylamide LSA, so it's pretty much obvious that it can be 'converted' (your word, not mine) into it.
 
LSA + iodoethane --> N-diethyl-LSA (LSD). Well, actually, you get a mixture of N-ethyl-LSA (LSM, which may or may not be active) and LSD. The problem is that LSx molecules are sensitive as fuck, and thus, not good synthetic reagents.
 
LSD is very easy. You just get a small square paper, a liquid drop, a sugar cube, or a gel tab, and there you go. With LSA, you either have to go through an extraction process or go through the nauseating process of eating seeds. However, I am one person that will actually say I like LSA better. It is darker and more "real." The visions from eating Morning Glory seeds are amazing. Overall, LSD is USUALLY more intense, but I prefer organic psychedelics to any semi-synthetics or synthetics.
 
liteage1 said:
I find that A LOT of people now-days have no real clue what LSD's intended dose is like!
LSD i a serous drug @ the 200ug+ dose range. most of todays doses are 50ug to 100ugs nothing like it was in the 60's, 70's and 80's. unless you know a rainbow family member! =D

LSA is in no way the same!:\
You gave away your age, by comparing the two! Be Careful!
cheers
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Intended by whom? Low dose LSD trips have their virtues :)

Besides, you can always eat a 5-strip (or more) and get a clue.

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Anyway, LSD is far better than the LAAs found in Morning Glory and HBWR seeds.

HBWR/MG have side effects like nausea, stomach pain, cramping, muscle pain, numbness in the limbs, diarhhea, etc.

LSD only gives occasional minor stomach cramps and occasional jaw tension. Overall LSD simply feels much better.

LSD is also a whole lot more visual and a whole lot more fun than MG/HBWR. You should really read some trip reports so you have an idea of the effects of these two substances. IMO LSD is the *best* trip I can take, while I refuse to eat Morning Glory Seeds anymore because of the above side effects and HBWR trips are pale in comparison.

That isn't to say HBWR can't be intense. It's a darker, less comfortable journey though. LSD just seems meant for human consumption ;)
 
I can handle the somewhat unpleasant side effects. I personally love LSA, and I have had high doses of LSD. I love LSD too, but I am really more interested in organic substances.
 
I don't really find much difference between the two.

Although I find that you need to smoke pot with LSA to have a real trip (with visuals + all) like on LSD.

But after that, they are very similar, it seems to me.

I don't get any weird discomforts on LSA.

The only problem is eating the seeds (they're freakin nasty) versus putting a little piece of paper in your mouth.

If given a choice, I'd prefer [to take] the LSD.

[Upon re-reading this post, I want to add that I think I now like morning glories better overall, because I think the taste is an integral part of the experience. Acid is too easy to abuse - like...I am tired as hell, but I could drop it right now...and probably have a very bad trip...but it would be pretty hard right now to eat a bunch of morning glory seeds, therefore saving me from a bad trip. However, when I really am in the mood to trip, I don't have too much problem eating the seeds. They have actually been more "hardcore"/vital/unifying to me than LSD has, in the past.]
 
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bluedolphin said:
LSD only gives occasional minor stomach cramps and occasional jaw tension. Overall LSD simply feels much better.
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And even that is extremely person to person dependent. I have for example, never experienced any problems on the physical side of the spectrum, nor did I ever complain about aftereffects (the day after), while some people, usually ones who prefer mushrooms do have a complaint or two.

Only somewhat noticeable, and far from being really annoying element is that metallic/chemical taste in the mouth/throat, which are IMO 'taste hallucinations', easily washed away, with all the other sorrows, with a beer or two :D .

And now that you mention, I did suffer from a slight gastritis on one occasion, but since it hasn't happened ever since I'm not quite sure our lovely diethylamide :) is/was to blame.

But reading about your HBWR/MGS experiences, some of you definitely describe minor ergotism symptoms.
 
^^^
Usually around the 8-10 hour mark after eating LSD I realize I'm full of gas, and have for some reason been holding it in for quite a while.

A good fart is all it takes to relieve LSD's #1 negative physical side effect ;)
 
bluedolphin said:
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Usually around the 8-10 hour mark after eating LSD I realize I'm full of gas, and have for some reason been holding it in for quite a while.

A good fart is all it takes to relieve LSD's #1 negative physical side effect ;)
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Maybe these aren't gases, but evil spirits being cleansed from your body!
 
I find LSD and the LSAs in MGseeds to be equally "deep" and "good." They are very different, and morning glory seeds are more taxing on the body, LSD is more taxing on the mind...but as far as the trip I like both. :)
 
^I agree.
LSA was always a very mental trip for me, despite the lack of open eye visuals, it was still a great introduction to psychedelics.
LSA does have it's negatives. Intense nausea, the diahrea were the biggest problems for me, but I still found it was worth it.

In comparison to LSD, LSA is sedating. It would always make my limbs very very heavy and i'd go into an almost mushroomy dream state. Body load was tremendous, but in a lot of ways the heavy limbs very really pleasant!
Unlike with LSD , I feel absolutely exhausted phsyically the next day with LSA.

LSD on the other hand , is always very stimulating for me. The complete oppsite, I always feel full of energy and my muscles can tense up sometimes. I feel very light, sometimes I feel as though i'm as light as a feather and when I walk around it feels as though i'm just a consciousness floating about!

I don't think you can say that LSD is that much more potent in terms of effects, because i've had some pretty mindblowing trips on morning glory seeds........LSA is much darker for me, but that doesn't make it inferior!
I'd recommend experiments with LSA to any budding psychonaut!
Both are to be enjoyed!
 
LSA is fun, but the cost for a decent trip is ridiculous, and although I've never done LSD, I've done PEAS that have been compared to LSD at certain dosage levels, and LSA doesn't touch LSD. Same chemical family/related structure? Maybe. Similar effects? Well, not really.

But it is better (and longer-lasting) than a marijuana high, and mixes nicely with DXM (YMMV, both have physical side-effects be careful)...

And yes, in my experience, LSA, while not tiring for me personally while on it, leaves me hella tired the next day. I also noticed more euphoria on LSA than other psychedelics, but it could just be me.
 
blase deviant said:
although I've never done LSD, I've done PEAS that have been compared to LSD at certain dosage levels, and LSA doesn't touch LSD. Same chemical family/related structure? Maybe. Similar effects? Well, not really.
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Lots of things get compared to LSD, but IMO LSD beats every one of them :)
 
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