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LSA is ending me

thats how ken kesey told the researchers when a minute had passed when he was on acid for the first time, he remembered his pulse, and then kept track of how his heartbeat, and told them when it had been a minute (according to his heart beating however many times)... So its not that hard to do.
 
ken kesey had 3 brains, its a little known fact.

i dont feel id be able to count my heartbeat if i wsa experiencing a trip where i was nervous.

you feeling better Inoxia?

i have a feeling the anxiety may have been exagerated by the psychedelics.
 
I have ground and consumed 15 seeds at once and got sick as a dog and almost knee deep in patern. You are fine now and you will be fine tomorrow. Stop being sick and start enjoying even if you have to force pleasure upon yourself.
 
Delsyd said:
ken kesey had 3 brains, its a little known fact.

i dont feel id be able to count my heartbeat if i wsa experiencing a trip where i was nervous.

you feeling better Inoxia?

i have a feeling the anxiety may have been exagerated by the psychedelics.
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Much better, thanks. Still difficult to sleep, when I close my eyes in the dark I tend to focus on the mild shapes and colours. Nothing new, I just never paid much attention to them before now.

I didn't expect the trip to be so difficult — I can handle the delirium of DXM/DPH and probably other deliriants, but I wasn't ready for the way lysergic acids force you to think.

Still a bit worried about my heart, the chest pains still come and go.

Seeddrill said:
Any input on the back door???
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I would imagine the nausea and vomiting would be the same (maybe slightly less) if it works, but shoving seeds up your ass doesn't sound very pleasant.
 
Worshiping toilets isn't plesent either. Shoving a cap or wad of tp only takes a second.
Glad your feeling better. The hang over ain't bad or long, so don't worry.
 
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I've heard a lot about LSA or other chemicals in seed preparations causing vasoconstriction, leading to numb limbs, leg pains, and all sorts of weird stuff. LSA is really rough on the body sometimes.
 
it's normal to have crazy body sensations and ultra enhanced sensation even on good trips. especially around the chest area from what many say and my experience, it's sorta the psychdelic signature of anxiety. and especially during bummers

many people have lingering effects from trips, including me. especially if you have a bummer. ever since my (only) uncomfortable trip ~6 years ago, trees and nature and everything hasn't looked the same; plenty of waves of color behind my eyelids and static and etc

most people with these lingering effects experience lasting anxiety too

a good trip probably wouldn't have done this. if it did, it would be to a much lesser extent

if you get these (subclinical? clinical?) HPPD symptoms on one of the first trips, it won't go away. it'll wane down over the years, but if you're susceptible to getting it on the first trip don't wait around for it to end, you'll have to learn to live with it. if the anxiety is too much clonazepam has been shown to help. it might be better to go with a non benzo anxiety aid since tolerance often kills benzo's effects. lyrica as an examplem, though i don't have experience with lyrica. not all but i would guess most agree, antidepressants can worsen the symptoms; they're sorta stimulating

if you don't get these symptoms after one of the first trips, chances are you'll only ever get it if you trip way too much, and it'll go away over a period of weeks or months or couple years. at least this is what i remember from when i was researching it back when i wanted answers about why i was experiencing these symptoms
 
that happens to a lot of people too from what i see on BL

i'm glad i'm like immune to bummers or something. the worst ive had was an uncomfortable one (LSA actually), made uncomfortable by my friend's bad time. couldn't sleep 14h after dose, the stimulation/anxiety get strong during an uncomfortable trip. can't imagine a bad one
 
one of the worst trips i ever had in my life was with LSA (morning glory)
we took a ton of them, put em in a coffee grinder and ate the powder.

(yuck)

it wasnt a bummer because of paranoia or any such factors (we were actually doing the MG's because there was an acid drought....) it was just a bummer because of how sick we all got (especially me). I felt as if I had eaten someting very toxic. the actual effects of the drug were great when I wasnt puking or doubling over from pain.

the funny thing is, by the time night rolled around, the phone rang and on the other end of the line was acid..someone was able to drive and we ended up dosing later that night.

anyway, hope you are feeling better.
 
Inoxia said:
My heart slowly started to relax after about ten hours. The alcohol may have helped.
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NO.
Any PD should be taken with the correct mindset. If you thought you were going to have a heart attack... well I've heard that one a million times. Your heart doesn't go as fast as you think, it is just the panic from thinking you're in panic.

A little alcohol may have helped, but if you were throwing up, either before or after, it wasn't the best move. No offense.
 
I thought it was well-known that in addition to the LSA, HBWR as well as MG seeds have all sorts of other alkaloids in them that cause all manner or irritative overstimulation to the cardiovascular system.

Not only that, its a crappy high compared to real drugs like LSD or Shrooms. Or, google some research chems, and you might find a mail-order vendor that carries them. Probably less hard on your system than those lousy seeds.
 
DwayneHoover said:
I thought it was well-known that in addition to the LSA, HBWR as well as MG seeds have all sorts of other alkaloids in them that cause all manner or irritative overstimulation to the cardiovascular system.
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There is indeed mention of it around the web but it doesn't seem to be accepted as "truth" anywhere. Erowid has no mention of it, other than in experience reports.

My heart is still very weak since this trip. For the first time in my life I'm afraid to take any drugs (other than downers :)). Even alcohol is giving me palpitations and chest pains now, which has never happened to me before.


Just remembered an interesting, unique effect I experienced coming up. Every couple of minutes I'd get a "rushing", tingling sensation in my head, as if it was being rapidly pushed and experiencing a lot of g-force. Mild but enjoyable. Anyone that can relate to this?
 
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Is it possible that it was an allergic reaction? Then you continued on to trip while having a bad reaction?
 
RequiemForAnEgo said:
I haven't ever heard of this ever actually happening, though because of the nausea-inducing compounds(Cyanogenic glycosides) this can potentially occur. Keep in mind, though, that those same compounds naturally occur in peach cores and apple seeds,

It seems I may have had one, though. I ingested 12 pills with some Gatorade on an empty stomach, and then smoked a bit of green to curb the nausea because I really didn't feel up for vomiting at the time..
within 30 minutes though, I just began to feel the effects and promptly passed out completely randomly afterwards. I woke up in an emergency room with a tube down my throat because I'd stopped breathing, apparently. Other than that I was perfectly fine, and felt and performed completely normally upon waking up, aside from some damage caused by the ambulance's rough work.

This has always bothered me, does this mean there is a potential of lethal side effects from HBW seeds?
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I love your user name, dude... welcome to Bluelight and PD! :)

Inoxia said:
Much better, thanks. Still difficult to sleep, when I close my eyes in the dark I tend to focus on the mild shapes and colours. Nothing new, I just never paid much attention to them before now.

I didn't expect the trip to be so difficult — I can handle the delirium of DXM/DPH and probably other deliriants, but I wasn't ready for the way lysergic acids force you to think.

Still a bit worried about my heart, the chest pains still come and go.



I would imagine the nausea and vomiting would be the same (maybe slightly less) if it works, but shoving seeds up your ass doesn't sound very pleasant.
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Yeah, real psychedelics (as opposed to deleriants, and stimulants like mephedrone aren't even close) are not entirely recreational experiences. They can often be very difficult. But I hope you can learn to come to terms with whatever you experienced that made you use the word enlightenment. It can be really world-shattering, which can make people uncomfortable, but you can choose to take positive things from the experience and be even better than you were before the experience, no matter how difficult the experience was.

As for your heart, I've had a number of trips where I thought I was going to die. It's the ego fighting for survival because the psychedelic is attempting to destroy the ego (this is one of the main reasons that people use psychedelics, to experience awareness with a reduced ego). Or it could be a panic attack. Either way, it's unlikely you were actually in danger of dying. The mind is a powerful thing. I've been SURE I was dying during trips, but afterwards it was clear I was just instinctively fighting it.

As for rectal administration (shoving it up your ass), it's actually a really good way to take most drugs because it reduces the dose by half and bypasses the stomach, significantly reducing bodyload (uncomfortable body feelings) and nausea/vomiting. It would be a bit hard with seeds though... you'd have to finely grind them and put them in a gel cap, or make an extraction. Probably not worth it for seeds.

You can absorb the LSAs sublingually... just add about 50% to your dose. Chew the seeds up really finely and mix them with saliva to form a seed slurry, and swish it around your mouth and hold it around your gums and tongue for a good long time, at least a half hour, and then spit the seed mash out (don't swallow any). The resulting experience will be MUCH lighter on the body and will generally not cause nausea at all.
 
Inoxia said:
how badly might this substance affect my life?
i think im coming down and i no longer fear for my life physically but my mental health concerns me
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Lsd is a fucker as in ya can have 30 trips and do fine all the while upping ya dose and the 31st time , WHAM, ya not coming back, a guy in the year above me did exactly that, last i heard of him he was in hostel for peeps with mental issues:(
 
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