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Ok, so this question has been racking my brain for quite some time now.

Recently, I read somewhere on here, about a study that is being conducted in the UK about changing MDMA's legal status from a Class A to a Class B or C. From memory, they came to the conclusion that it doesn't pose the 'Great Threat' that Governments make it out too and is relatively safe when compared with other illicit drugs.


Now here is my question. And let me tell you that this is purely hypothetical.


Ok lets assume the UK changed the Class of MDMA to a B or C, and maybe (for some unknown reason) Australia took on a similar approach to the drug (pfft one could only hope)

Ok so assuming all that magically happened, how would this be beneficial to your average Ecstasy user? Would it make much of a difference to those who choose to take the drug for recreational purposes? Would it have an effect on the quality of illegally produced MDMA?

Any insight would be fantastic

MV
 
Well it would depend on whether they loosened up control on precursor chemicals or lowered penalties for importation etc. if they did then the quality would sky rocket.

If bzp/mcpp shared the same legality/penalties as MDMA then which do you think people would choose to import?

If possession of pills was dealt with in the same manner of cannabis then i bet you'd find quite a few more dealers too.
 
Yeah I definitely see what you mean with the penalties and BZP/McPP.

But if MDMA was regulated to the extent as what I mentioned in my original post, then wouldn't selling it on the black market be pointless as the Legal competition would offer better quality?
I'm not saying this is the case, as I honestly have no idea on the matter.
 
Yeah I definitely see what you mean with the penalties and BZP/McPP.

But if MDMA was regulated to the extent as what I mentioned in my original post, then wouldn't selling it on the black market be pointless as the Legal competition would offer better quality?
I'm not saying this is the case, as I honestly have no idea on the matter.
 
^^ No, (now my knowledge isn't that great on different classes of drugs but this is how i see it so don't take it as 100% accurate) because being a class B or C drug it would still be illegal just like cannabis.

Unless it could be prescribed by psychologists/doctors for treatment of things such as PTSD and depression etc. But then there would still be a demand for it illegally like there is with other prescription medication like say Valium, Morphine, Oxycontin and many others.

If it were legalized completely and available otc then yes. Because it would be manufactured by pharmaceutical companies under strict quality control measures and be readily available to the public, which would then completely wipe out any demand for it on the black market.

It's one of the major arguments behind the legalization of most drugs.
 
^^ Fuck that just sucks a big donkey's dick doesn't it. That really fucking dose. UK is thinking about droping it, and QLD is upping it. It's all about the votes...

But if they did drop it, I guess the risk decreases with importing/producing, so more people would be willing to make/move it.
 
I guess it would depend how legal it became. Cocaine, for example, in America is schedule II, while heroin is schedule I, and I wouldn't say coke is more available or more pure than smack.
 
Yeah that really does blow. How could LSD and MDMA possibly be placed alongside Heroin..

phase_dancer, you seem to have a fair bit of knowledge in this area. What do you personally think is in store for the future of MDMA regulations and what not for Australia? Is thinking there is a possibility of them being lowered just shear optimism?
 
^^ I'll throw my 2c in, No. Never, I wish, but unless there are enough academics, and media people to convince the public that MDMA is safe, then the parliment won't change it, as they won't get voted in...

Simple campaign strategy for the opposition for the election after the party in power reduced/legalized drugs or mdma...

drugs are bad, we'll make sure your children are safe, and change these laws...

instant victory. fuck i hate the system sometimes. the argument is more complex than this, but cbf ranting for more than this.

interested to hear p_d views, but check the future of HR thread...
 
I doubt it will ever happen. I only say this because the most widely publicized drug related deaths are usually people OD'ing on pills at festivals. even though more people die/get injured from other drugs, meth for example.
 
I believe it's always been class B here in NewZealand and there has been no talk off upping it to class A from what I know. I was surprised to hear it's class A in the UK as we usually follow suit with them, would be interesting to hear why we decided to be less harsh. Though even class B is a little unjustified as piperazines have caused more hospital admissions here in NZ than MDMA ever has and that shits only class C.
 
phase_dancer said:
Australia is doing the opposite; Qld led the way, rescheduling MDMA into schedule 1 alongside heroin, meth, LSD, PCP, PMA and cocaine.

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And the UK certainly is not going to reschedule MDMA down. What happened was that the government's scientific advisors recommended that it be down-graded. The government flat out refused to even consider it. There's no way that the Conservatives will consider it either (they'll win the next election, next year).

TheLastAxon said:
I believe it's always been class B here in NewZealand and there has been no talk off upping it to class A from what I know. I was surprised to hear it's class A in the UK as we usually follow suit with them, would be interesting to hear why we decided to be less harsh. Though even class B is a little unjustified as piperazines have caused more hospital admissions here in NZ than MDMA ever has and that shits only class C.
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NZ scheduled MDMA before the UK did, if I remember right. But NZ's classifications are *weird*: MDEA is Class C, MDMA class B, and MDA Class A. There was a debate a few years back about re-classifying MDMA to Class A, but I don't think that happened. Although it was moved from B2 to B1 in 2005.

Not sure the piperazines argument holds - do you really know how many people have been admitted to hospital from MDMA? And for certain, piperazines were more widely used than MDMA, given they were legal, widely available, and cheap :)
 
I think we can all conclude that it's highly unlikely any scheduled drug will ever be legalised, at least in the short to medium term. Once a drug is added to the list it tends to become a 'dirty word' in the minds of most Mr and Mrs Citizens, particularly those who have never used, or been exposed to it.

What may happen eventually, is that increased use rates coupled with the continual influx of new drugs onto the scene, and the corresponding dangers some of these will likely present, may eventually result in an overhaul of the legislation. Perhaps then, some of the formally scheduled drugs may be revisited and the relative toxicities and harms re-evaluated.

In 03, as a result of finishing assignments and being bored waiting for new texts to arrive, for some reason I indulged in a bit of fantasy-fiction, perhaps the result of some who shall remain nameless who were constantly egging me on to write a book. If you haven't before seen it, you might consider it worth a read and perhaps even see some parallels with what's happening at this time, however that's about where prediction is likely to end. While things to date haven't quite gone the way of this tale, I wasn't too far off the mark with some things - but please excuse the grammar as it was written ad lib, in some haste. Incidentally, the British TV program "If drugs were legal" had some strikingly similar parts of the story - but I was first =D

2022, the choice is almost yours. The whole thread Why are drugs illegal? is well worth reading IMO, as there's some good comments there. Now 6 years on, are most of the comments in that thread still relevant?
 
NZ scheduled MDMA before the UK did, if I remember right. But NZ's classifications are *weird*: MDEA is Class C, MDMA class B, and MDA Class A
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Sounds like they classified according to relative toxicities.
 
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From memory, they did it before there was much research, but I could be wrong :)

Would you say that MDEA is so much less toxic than MDA to justify one being Class C and one Class A?
 
Infinite Jest said:
NZ scheduled MDMA before the UK did, if I remember right. But NZ's classifications are *weird*: MDEA is Class C, MDMA class B, and MDA Class A. There was a debate a few years back about re-classifying MDMA to Class A, but I don't think that happened. Although it was moved from B2 to B1 in 2005.

Not sure the piperazines argument holds - do you really know how many people have been admitted to hospital from MDMA? And for certain, piperazines were more widely used than MDMA, given they were legal, widely available, and cheap :)
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MDA having psychedelic activity is the reason I believe they scheduled it as class A. Mdea, bk-mdma, etc are class C as they are considered "analogues" of mdma.

About the piperazines, well to elaborate on my point. Bzp and such like was popular for well 3-5 years? Where as MDMA has been on the market for 15+ years. Even so piperazine use may still be considerably higher overall, but the amount of reports for hospital admissions where very high compared to mdma related ones(if there are actually any with mdma alone). I just believe piperazines cause more toxic reactions in people than MDMA and ain't that a considered factor in determining the scheduling of a drug?
 
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p_d, throughly enjoyed your story. Raises some very interesting points and ideas.

Any new report of a “good pill” was an instantly popular topic, attracting those both fascinated by substances which they’d never seen (being so young before the shortage) or those for whom such stories provided a welcomed nostalgia.
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Laughed to myself when I read that.

In all seriousness though, it would be interesting to see how a society that adopts that kind of mentality towards drug use would operate. Much like anything, I'm sure there would be some downsides to it, but if you compare that to the downsides of their current approach, I'm sure it would be minimal.
As you mentioned in the story, Harm Minimisation is the path Governments should be taking. But sadly politics is just one big popularity contest :\
 
Would you say that MDEA is so much less toxic than MDA to justify one being Class C and one Class A?
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I believe there's quite a variation in neurotoxicity between the two, possibly DA related. Also, MDA and MDMA are both alpha-adrenoceptor agonists while MDEA is an antagonist.


As you mentioned in the story, Harm Minimisation is the path Governments should be taking. But sadly politics is just one big popularity contest
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It's quite sad and pathetic really. Glad you liked the story :)
 
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