Low quality roll/requires many pills

[motoroll]

Hey guys. Background, I use no regular medication except for the occasional vvyanse. I recently decided to give E a try at a show with a bunch of my friends that roll regularly. I bought two pokeballs, each from a different source. and headed to the show. When I arrived I took one and then took the second approx 45 minutes later. I didn't really feel anything at all besides a lot of energy. My eyes were very dilated as well. I sweated 10 pounds off but really didn't feel much more than I would on a large dose of vvyanse. Two other people each took one pill each, one from each batch mine came from. They both rolled very hard.

A few weeks later another bud suggested we roll. This was just at his home but we set up some good tunes and trippy lights. He had a very clean batch (had it tested) and told me we'd do whatever it took to actually get me a roll. Started with 3 pills between us, and this time we railed them (1.5 each). We did it in small lines over at least 30 minutes, might've been longer. Over the next 1.5-2 hours we got to 7 total pills (I had just under 4). These were all either parachuted or railed. I finally started to feel something and was able to get lost in the music, was very open (we had some very deep conversations for hours) and also had some memory issues, I would tell a story and lose my train of thought.

We chewed on several Vitamin C tablets as well.

By around 7am (probably started around 1ish) I was pretty tweaked out and it started to slowly taper away until around 10am.

I didn't have any serious sensory changes.

I plan to roll again in a couple of months but my question is, what to do? How many, what method, any other ways to increase my roll. I want to be safe but I also don't want to take 2, or even 3, and have nothing happen again like the first time. This would be my first time with a successful roll at a show itself. Maybe I'll never get the full sensory experience most get but I want at least what I had the second time around.

Any advice, thoughts etc... would be great. Also interested in anything I can take in the days leading up to or while taking the rolls.

 

[MrFaust]

huh sounds like you got the same problem I had when I was where they sell pokeballs. The only thing is you have no idea how much mdma is actually in the pills that test positive so there could be a tiny tiny amount in there just enough to make tests turn the right color. I am from the midwest and avoid pills completely just because there are so many duds floating around. The only press I trust around here are mints and even then they gotta be tested before I eat them. Gonna catch a TON of shit for saying this but when I was in pokeball press territory I was very underwhelmed by almost all the different kinds I tried and I tried a bunch of different batches from different people who all talked up their different kinds of pokeballs. They were tested too and always came up containing mdma. Not one of them felt like high mdma content I ended up always double dropping then eating atleast one more later on, and still not hit a full peak. I stick to pure(or as close as possible) as much as possible seems like around here if youre connected enough to know where to look for molly its moonrock cause the people who have it arent fucking around trying to make a quick scam on you, they want you to keep coming back and giving them money and they know if they keep you rolling balls you will keep coming back. Some people eat piracetam which is a cognitive enhancer a few days before or the day of a roll and they say it increases effects, Ive never tried it tho.

 

[DubbMoe]

Try to get molly

 

[No Consequence]

I would say don't break up your dose into small doses (you railed lines over a period of time...)
You want a certain amount of MDMA in your system at a given time. Take 1 full pill, just eat it or parachute it (2 if you want to try since you think you have a tolerance issue..) and then after say an hour, eat one more (if you think you need this redose). If that doesnt get you where you want to be then you must not be getting legit pills. Don't redose anymore than the first redose. You shold not need 4 legit pokes on your first couple times to feel something.

 

[MarkoPolo]

sounds like shit pills tbh. thats all.

 

[Bsiren]

Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse) has been reported by some to have a cross tolerance with MDMA- which is reasonable, because it's an amphetamine. Perhaps avoiding that for a couple weeks prior would help.

It has been said many times before- you really don't know what you were taking unless you reagent test the pills you consume. No "source" is safe, and a lackluster experience could be the result of adulterated pills (many adulterants feel slightly similar to MDMA at first), or as you speculate- the result of low-dose MDMA pills. Your friends may have simply been enjoying the pills more than you because they are more sensitive, and not taking any drugs that would give them a cross tolerance.

 

[motoroll]

I probably take vvyanse twice a month tops. The railed lines were all pretty close together and we did atleast one full parachuted pill in that time frame. Sounds like how you space pills out is key. I'm thinking next time I'll parachute two and have a couple on hand for redosing every hour after. Good plan?

 

[e panther!]

Try to get molly

the problem with trying to buy molly(pure mdma) can be hard for a lot of people since almost everything is cut these days. plus I've tried it and i don't like molly compared to some good e

but the problem with e these days is piperazine it has effects just like mdma but for a shorter time and less intense. also try not to stack other medications on top of e because it can cancel out or lessen the roll. one time i took some blue rolexs and white doves and before that i took a hydrocodone and a muscle relaxer and it killed my roll

 

[motoroll]

So does my parachute two then another in an hour idea sound good? I can't imagine taking more could ever make your roll less but I've read things were people say taking more at the wrong time can be bad for your roll. I can understand taking more pills at the wrong time might not get the most out of your total pills but I can't imagine it cancels out what you've already achieved.

 

[No Consequence]

I'm thinking next time I'll parachute two and have a couple on hand for redosing every hour after. Good plan?

NO, you do not want to redose every hour. That's horrible. At one hour-hour and a half redose ONCE (only if you need to). Do not take anymore throughout the night. It won't make you feel any better and will bring unwanted side-effects.

 

[motoroll]

So redosing is worse than simply starting with a larger amount? Any benefit to multiple forms of ingestion? (rail/parachute one. Take another full. Same time). sounds like 3 pills total, two at start one later if needed is way to go. Ps. Even after railing four pills and getting a pretty good roll all night then not sleeping until the next night 11pm (used vvyanse to stay up, took at 9am as roll wore off) I had pretty much no come down. Just tired from staying up so long.

 

[ShadouXarcanuM]

Kick the vvyanse for a few weeks, Pick up some piracetem, test your pills and dont try so hard.. just let it happen. Meditation and headstands are pretty nice too!

 

[motoroll]

Thanks guys! I def think it'll help this next time that I got SOMEthing out've my last roll. The first time was a massive disappointment on top of lots of anticipation. Now that I have experienced something I think Itll be easier to just lose myself.