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Loss in visuals...how to increase.

DivineMomenT

DivineMomenT

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Just wondering about something.

I have tripped many times and I honestly have not been able to replicate an experience that was as visual as my first. I guess my brain has just become accustomed to the effects of psychedelic drugs. It's not like I trip all the time or anything, actually, quite the contrary. Still, I just can't seem to get the visuals I used to. The visuals are actually one of my favorite parts of a trip. I remember the first time I tripped on LSD I could see words forming into the sides of buildings, only to melt right in front of my eyes. :) Quality isn't an issue either. The first time I took LSD, I took 4 hits, and they must have been the best hits I have ever had. Blew anything else out of the water.

You always hear people say how the first time is the best, and you are always chasing that high. I know the people saying that are mostly using it for propaganda, but to some extent, I think it is true. It's almost to the point where if I am going to take a new drug, I want to go balls to the walls the first time so I will get to experience a fell blown dose without having to worry about the experience being weaker the next time.

I want to hear others opinions on this. Do any of you have any tips on how to intensify the visuals of a trip, or intensify the trip altogether, without adding another psychedelic drug to the mix. I read about piracetam strongly increasing the effects of a 2c-e trip, and it seems like an interesting tool otherwise. Maybe the hits I got my first time were just really strong.

I would like to hear anyones opinion on the diminishing effects of psychedelics. Which ones do you experience this the most with? It isn't too big of a deal with mushrooms. Those things will give me crazy visual distortions any time of the day. So do you experience diminishing effects from the trippy shit, and in what way. Less mind fuck, less visuals? How do you combat this?
 
DivineMomenT said:
I want to hear others opinions on this. Do any of you have any tips on how to intensify the visuals of a trip, or intensify the trip altogether, without adding another psychedelic drug to the mix.
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What about a Psychoactive? :)

I always find, my visuals just on LSD arnt as intense then if i combine it with weed. Just on LSD i'll get richer colors, wiggling/rippling etc. But when i add weed too the mix.. i get full blown visuals.. faces morphing together, objects expanding, walls breathing..

I dont really know how to increase visuals just on LSD. Well normally i find that, they do increase if im in a simple environment.. a room in a house, opposed to like been around lots of people in a more chaotic environment?

All that i can add from my experiences..
 
Oral DMT and moclobemide will usually provide you with all the visuals you want. But I think there is something to the idea that your brain simply gets used to it so they arn't as powerful as they were the first time. Not always tho - certainly my first trips were nowhere near the best ones, whereas I think my first time on MDMA was one of the best.
 
I think DMT is about as visual as it gets. I don't normally get all that many visual effects from most psychedelics (ergoloids like LSD are usually mainly a mental experience for me), but DMT still gives me extraordinary visuals.
 
I find that tripping solo provides me with much more intense visuals and a much more intense experience even then tripping in a group. This is LSD taken from the same batch as well, same quality.
 
malakaix said:
What about a Psychoactive? :)

I always find, my visuals just on LSD arnt as intense then if i combine it with weed. Just on LSD i'll get richer colors, wiggling/rippling etc. But when i add weed too the mix.. i get full blown visuals.. faces morphing together, objects expanding, walls breathing..

I dont really know how to increase visuals just on LSD. Well normally i find that, they do increase if im in a simple environment.. a room in a house, opposed to like been around lots of people in a more chaotic environment?

All that i can add from my experiences..
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Smoking weed did always help my visuals quite a bit, but I quit smoking weed and won't be going back to it for a while. I have been mixing nitrous with LSD etc. recently for some pretty good effects, but nitrous just doesn't last very long. I'm not opposed to mixing another psychoactive, just not weed. I heard about this new legal weed called gold spice or something. A lot of people claim it actually works pretty well, the best legal marijuana alternative so far. Maybe that could set my trip off.

Oral DMT has always intrigued me, and it will happen when the time is right. I just like lsd visuals the most. DMT visuals are something completely different.
 
That sounds like it has the potential to be fun, but I mixed acid and k one time and had a bad experience, but I did more than a bump. I cooked down 1ml of liquid that contained 100mg. Snorted it all up and things went downhill fast. Next thing I knew, I was wandering around outside in my boxers, throwing up every few seconds. I was convinced spaceships were coming down at me. I was watching a movie of myself. I felt like my life had amounted to nothing and I was going to wither away in some random bush, and go down as a ketamine and acid casualty.

Ever since then I have never been too receptive of the idea of mixing lsd with ketamine. How big of bumps do you do. 25mg or so?
 
Wow. I have no idea about the exact measurements. It definately sounds like you did enough to induce a full on K-hole and that is not what you're aiming for. I can't even imagine that level of stimulation! So... i would suggest a bump no longer than the tip of your little finger(about and inch long) and no wider than than a stick of incense. ( I realize this is not very precise, sorry.) I did 2 that size every hour or so, but I am experienced with K. Since you had a bad experience, I would half that, at least at first. If you don't like it, then it will wear off quickly enough that it shouldn't ruin your trip.
 
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I think the best way to combat diminishing returns from almost any drug is to take a nice, long break, and make sure that when you do them again, they are of high quality.
 
100mg (.1g) is nowhere near k-hole

when i tripped weed ALWAYS made visuals much more intense. i also learned how to focus to make visuals more intense, its sorta hard to describe how, you either know what im talking about or you dont
 
triiper said:
100mg (.1g) is nowhere near k-hole

when i tripped weed ALWAYS made visuals much more intense. i also learned how to focus to make visuals more intense, its sorta hard to describe how, you either know what im talking about or you dont
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I think I know what you mean. During my shroom trip, the longer I stared at one spot, the more intense the visuals would get.
 
DivineMomenT said:
That sounds like it has the potential to be fun, but I mixed acid and k one time and had a bad experience, but I did more than a bump. I cooked down 1ml of liquid that contained 100mg. Snorted it all up and things went downhill fast. Next thing I knew, I was wandering around outside in my boxers, throwing up every few seconds. I was convinced spaceships were coming down at me. I was watching a movie of myself. I felt like my life had amounted to nothing and I was going to wither away in some random bush, and go down as a ketamine and acid casualty.

Ever since then I have never been too receptive of the idea of mixing lsd with ketamine. How big of bumps do you do. 25mg or so?
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Lmfao. Gotta be carefull when mixing dissociatives and psychedelics. It can hit you a whole lot harder than DMT.
 
A small amount of salvia will greatly increase the visual intensity of almost any psychedelic, and the visual intensity increase seems to last far longer than the salvia does. Some people find it very uncomfortable though...
 
DivineMomenT said:
Just wondering about something.

I have tripped many times and I honestly have not been able to replicate an experience that was as visual as my first.
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My first acid experience was also my most visual (by far). Mind you, this is more than 30 years ago, and it was orange sunshine! The hallucinations were extraordinary, and tho I tripped many many times after, I never got close to that first time. (I have had remarkable hallucinations on mushrooms, but they are qualitatively quite different).

I'm inclined to think that novelty is important in drug experiences. The first time I had MDMA I was astonished by it, never got that again.
 
Definitely wait between trips the amount of time needed for your system to go back to zero tolerance, depending on what drug you took. Many psychedelics are cross tolerant, so keep that in mind.

With shrooms, the more I take the more visuals I get for the most part. It sounds simple, but it works! ;)
 
It seems like the opposite is true for me, visuals get more intense each time I trip. But then again, the first time I tripped it was on weak acid (still one of the most beautiful and enlightening days of my life). It seems to be this way with me because the residual effects that some people call "hppd" combine with the trip ya know? and i know how to look for em.

If you want, look up magic eye posters on google. Apparently the patterns within those are a lot easier to notice on psychedelics, it's about looking "through" things, rather than at them if you know what I mean. Look through the holographic matrix of this thing we call reality into the infinte.
 
I've tripped a lot and I haven't noticed a decline in visuals at all; its now a total of 49 LSD trips, 14 mushroom trips and 3 2c-b trips; overal I tend to leave atleast one month in between two trips and its been a few years since my first trips but they haven't gotten any less visual; I get the same visuals of the same dose every single time (unless I've been ill recently or accidently lost some body weight then it hits harder for a same dose, but with the same set and setting the same dose will give the same strength of visuals every time).

In other words; I don't think the 'chasing the first time' goes for psychedelics at all. Doesn't with dissociatives (ketamine and n2o) either, my first times were good, but the last two times were even more intense and wonderful then the first time was, same goes for LSD and other psychedelics.

If you noticed a decline, can't it be you just have weaker or older LSD hits and your dose was just lower? Wait a month and take a higher amount of the same LSD and see if it gives more visuals? I don't know anyone who looses visuals over the same doses if they don't have tolerance (and tolerance with psychedelics last a short time, after two weeks it should definatly be back to normal for LSD and mushrooms.
 
Thoughtcrime said:
Nitrous Bulbs are a very good, if short and expensive way of increasing your visuals, To quote my partner "Its like being high-fived with rainbow"
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Thats my favourite.

I don't really consider it expensive though. Buying nitrous (in the UK at least) in bulk works out at 20p per cartridge.
 
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