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Losing the magic... with tripping?!

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Deus

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So I'm fairly experienced with psychedelics. I've experienced ego death and a whole gamut of different psychedelics at different intensities ranging from +/- to +++ (the ++++'s are debatable and subjective, although I believe I've experienced it). Specifically here, though, I'm talking about lsd.
I remember when I first started doing psyches. There was a beautiful, clear change in my thought patterns. Certain concepts disappeared, the scope of my thoughts changed, and I could view things in an entirely different way. I call this the "trip mind." Characteristics of this include sudden flashes of insight/"knowing," inability to deal with higher order concepts such as math and geography, a feeling of connectedness with the universe, and the ability to view a thought from many angles previously unthought of.

But.. that doesn't happen anymore. I get a little bit of it at fairly high doses, but for the most part, my thought processes seem to remain the same. Maybe it's that I've learned "how to think" while tripping, but I really, really miss trip mind. That's the whole reason I got into psychedelics. For a brief, shining period, I can understand (or think I understand) the universe. I rarely get that anymore, even off of doses I would consider high based visual cues.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas of how to bring the magic back?
 
Do you tend to always trip in the same setting or only on your own / with the same person / people. Just take a break on all psych's for a month or so then trip in a compeltely new enviroment with people youve never tripped before. This ruined the magic for me as I just had too many negative trips in my room, kinda just gives me bad vibes if I trip in there.
 
How often are you tripping? If you're tripping quite regularly this is bound to happen - but unlike with MDxx this doesn't take years to remedy, and just a couple of months of no tripping should be enough for tolerance to revert to zero and for you to be able to have magical experiences again.

As mentioned above, change up the setting too - if you've seen your trip location while tripping many a time now it might be getting a little boring and it might be worth switching things up.

The same goes for the drug, if you always trip on one particular psychedelic, what about another one that you've tried, or one you've never tried before?

Hope this helps :)
 
I also experience this myself when i trip now even on very high doses 500ug and above and i hardly experience mad visuals or nothing like i would before the whole trip just seems tame and like its not gona get anything special out of tripping now. This is with LSD and 4-aco-dmt and even DMT. The very first post here about knowledge and insight explaination is exactly as i would put the way i used to trip out aka trip head
 
Deus said:
So I'm fairly experienced with psychedelics. I've experienced ego death and a whole gamut of different psychedelics at different intensities ranging from +/- to +++ (the ++++'s are debatable and subjective, although I believe I've experienced it). Specifically here, though, I'm talking about lsd.
I remember when I first started doing psyches. There was a beautiful, clear change in my thought patterns. Certain concepts disappeared, the scope of my thoughts changed, and I could view things in an entirely different way. I call this the "trip mind." Characteristics of this include sudden flashes of insight/"knowing," inability to deal with higher order concepts such as math and geography, a feeling of connectedness with the universe, and the ability to view a thought from many angles previously unthought of.

But.. that doesn't happen anymore. I get a little bit of it at fairly high doses, but for the most part, my thought processes seem to remain the same. Maybe it's that I've learned "how to think" while tripping, but I really, really miss trip mind. That's the whole reason I got into psychedelics. For a brief, shining period, I can understand (or think I understand) the universe. I rarely get that anymore, even off of doses I would consider high based visual cues.

Has anyone else experienced this? Any ideas of how to bring the magic back?
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Have you tried mushrooms, they always seem to be a lot less predictable than acid and constantly surprise me.
 
Magic fades quick!
Only thing that fixes it is bigger doses but that really just makes the problem worse.

I believe I've had a few ++++ whatever that means exactly.
I've been way the hell out.

It's harder to obtain now.

Yeh Kev, Mushrooms usually do the trick.

I've had a good sized bag and ate them every other day and had lots of fun before.
Low gram dose every other night with some video games is uplifting.

High gram shroom dose never fails to kick you to the floor and teach you something.

I love stretching in bed on mushrooms (off topic, sorry)
 
Give it a while until you trip again, a month at least, perhaps a couple of months. At one point I was tripping 5-6 times a month, up to 3 times a week. By the end of it, I was bored of tripping. Especially LSD since it lasts so fucking long (I'd be bored by the 4th hour and just sit around and read until I could fall asleep). I waited 6 weeks and tried 2C-B for the first time and had an amazing trip with the magic, but that could also be due to my lack of experience with it. I haven't had any psychs since that 2C-B experience 4 months ago. I'm really excited to eat some mushrooms this weekend though, which I haven't had since September. I still have no intention of having an acid trip for a while, it seems too predictable and lasts too long.

I would give it a long break, like others have suggested, and perhaps try a new psychedelic, or one you haven't in a long time.
 
Like someone else stated, how often do you trip?

The biggest thing I have learned about LSD is respecting it. And a wise way to respect it, is time management. Big time gaps. I only take a trip maybe twice a year now, a nice huge dose. At least 1mg. But that's me.

It makes each and every time VERY special and magical.

Respect the drug, and the drug will respect you.

Switching it up is good too- but only the ones you like. Try switching between the classes too. (tryptamines, ergolines, phenethylamines). Each one has a different feel to it.
 
It really depends on how often I get psyches, but I recently came across quite a good source. Even so, balancing school work and such, I've only had the opportunity to trip about once or twice a month. My last trip was 2/4.
I've also been getting some tasty rc's so my past few trips have been, in no particular order, on lsd, 2ce, and 2ci. But since finding this lsd source, I've been leaning toward that as I find it has the properties I'm looking for.
I also have about 5g of mushies saved up, so I may have to do those next time I get a chance. They're supposedly really, really potent and my 5g's are almost all caps haha. I'm just not a huge fan of the body load and nausea on mushies, although the last time I did 'em I made OJ mushie tea and it pretty much solved both the problems.

The main issue isn't even that I'm getting bored of tripping, it's that the experience is different mentally. I'm kinda worried that excessive or extreme tripping has changed my sober thought patterns to be more like tripping....

Another thing I've noticed is that I don't get that afterglow anymore. I remember the day or 2 after a trip where everything is... askew... and feeling an afterglow from the trip. I miss that.

@OTG: I've never had a "bad trip" per se. There was only really 1 time I've ever come close. I try to switch it up whenever I can, but after so many trips, you kinda run out of ideas haha.

@Username123: 2cb is very yummy! The only times I've done it were in rolls that a reputable source told me was 2cb, although I suspect it was cut with MDxx because it was awfully magical and uh... lovey dovey

@LSDreamer13: While I don't have baseline dosages of lsd to compare to, 1000 mics is quite a high dose (I WISH I could get such quality as to know the dose)! I also have a penchant to take fairly high doses. Specifically, I like an almost incapacitating dose so after I've peaked for an hour or so, I get acclimated to it and it becomes easily controllable. This is the state I'm looking for where it's not overwhelming, but I can take advantage of its effects.


Hmm.. it just occurred to me... after realizing the potential of psyches, I started avoiding pot during trips as I found it to muddle the trip and make it more... uh...frivolous, I guess is the best way to describe it- more recreational than insightful. This may be the problem. I'll try getting reeeeaaaally stoned next time haha.
 
if u wanna trip i agree with taking more -- however i think acid is only like a 72hour tolerance til ur back to normal - so essnetially triping everyweek should WORK whetehr or not u want to in theory it shuold work.
 
Deus said:
Hmm.. it just occurred to me... after realizing the potential of psyches, I started avoiding pot during trips as I found it to muddle the trip and make it more... uh...frivolous, I guess is the best way to describe it- more recreational than insightful. This may be the problem. I'll try getting reeeeaaaally stoned next time haha.
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i've found that my acid trips usually don't get started until i smoke some bud.
 
lsd tends to build tolerance quickly for me same with 2c compounds, maybe try some more mushrooms like others said. I eat them pretty often and they work really well everytime if there good quality right set n setting, dose, etc. I like this intense combo 20-30mg of 2ce and 1-3gs of mushrooms at once, it gets pretty intense for me its like riding a rockect the first 6 hours and then you enter 2ce land lots of fractals could barley see because of visuals so intense, the mushrooms just ampflies the hell out of your 2ce hearing aswel could hear wayy to much goin on haha. Iv hit a couple times where its hard for me to catch a nice trip but ill just take a month or 2 at the longest break when it happens or change my compound or try a new combo or a combo iv done in the past at a higher dose, or do a higher dose if I know I can handle it, that usually works for me.

Ill add in emyl nitrate and nitrous to trips to throw different tastes in aswel, that seems to switch things up on me at times.

Take it easy
 
@MrDiamondFDC/rocknroll: It's not that I'm not tripping. I'm most definitely tripping. Full fractals crawling across my vision, auditory enhancement (OMG Tripping and music = bliss), synesthesia (at higher dosages), full CEV's, etc.
Solely from these, I would place myself at a level 3*, level 4 at a very high dose. But mentally, I feel at a level 1 or 2.

Some people treat psyches like they would other drugs, which is fine. But the main use I like to get out of them are the mental effects- the ability to think differently. This is what I am unable to achieve anymore, despite all the other cues that I'm tripping very hard.

*er... I had a link to a shroomery page about trip levels, but I'm pretty sure bluelight doesn't allow offsite linking, so I removed it. Here's the text:
Shroomery said:
Level 1

This level produces a mild "stoning" effect, with some visual enhancement (i.e. brighter colours, etc). Some short term memory anomalies. Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound "wider".

Level 2

Bright colors, and visuals (i.e. things start to move and breathe), some 2 dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. Change of short term memory leads to continual distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in creativity becomes apparent as the natural brain filter is bypassed.

Level 3

Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or "mother of pearl" surfaces. Closed eye hallucinations become 3 dimensional. There is some confusion of the senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors, etcetera). Time distortions and "moments of eternity".

Level 4

Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking toyou, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously). Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out ofbody experiences and e.s.p. type phenomena. Blending of the senses.

Level 5

Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects, or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist! Satorienlightenment (and other such labels).
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Then switch up what yer taking. There is never a better time then now to start playing with dissociates
 
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As above, you might try switching over to NMDA antagonists for awhile (I highly recommend NMDA antagonist/tryptamine combos). Also, psychedelics are "mind expanding". What new (quality) things have you added to your mind lately for the psychedelics to work with? When you first started you had a lifetime to work with. Desensitization has taken over. Now, novelty is paramount. Seek out new experiences, absorb yourself in some new genre of experience that "isn't like you" -- then go back to psychedelics. The profound beauty of psychedelics is that, if we hope to satisfy our lust for great experience, we, as persons, are forced to expand and diversify.
 
You should definitely wait at least a month between trips if you start losing the magic.
IME you'll never get that first trip magic back. It was way too unique...
 
jamesace said:
Just take a break on all psych's for a month or so then trip in a compeltely new enviroment with people youve never tripped before. This ruined the magic for me as I just had too many negative trips in my room, kinda just gives me bad vibes if I trip in there.
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I'm the exact opposite. I almost always trip in my house. I haven't tripped outside since 2007.
 
Yer basicly tripping us like dripping in that it comes from your subconcouis
So its not to do with tolerance you just need more content in your mind
 
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