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negrogesic

negrogesic

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Some confusing shit

I recently recieved X number of grams of absolutely pure valium powder. Dont PM asking for some or the source, because I will not provide the info.


MY problem with this shit is......well. I have a scale that weighs to the milligram. First i started with more reasonalbe doses like 50mg. I have a pretty high benzo tolerance, even though im not a benzo addict (yet) heavy use. The 50mg worked, but not to my liking. Let me repeat this is pharmaceautil valium is pure. Ive taken up to 350mg, which put my to sleep for a short period, then made me paranoid and slightly psychotic.

The first problem, is huge does dont knock me out, im talking like 250mg. Sure I fall a sleep, and even sleep walk and do all sort of weird shit, but its some weird form of sleep. I ramble to my family, I even made eggs that i had no recolection of making. Why is this depressent causing stimulantion. IS this paradoxical stimulation? Preferabley, I would like to stay in my bed when asleep, not wandering around half asleep eating things and do all sort of crazy. Christ, i thought it was a dopamine antagonist.

Another VERY annoying problem, is that the pharmaceuticla powder has no binders, so when i take capsules, it fucks with my taste buds. I think the binders in regular valium prevent this some where, but taking the pure powder fucks with thing. Everying I taste is bitter, very bitter. Even when i drink water its bitter. Anyone know a way to counter this. I was so disillusioned by this taste problem I was even considering taking it rectal. Problem is valium is not soluble.

Anyone dealt with raw pharms? Particuler valium? Ive been taking this stuff alot, and i only sleep for a few hours at a time. I thought I'd be able to sleep for hours on end,.
 
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350mg is way too much, seriously. I had a look on the entry about valium on rxlist and the working mechanism of it is quite vague.
I guess in such a dose, side effects increase and you get some weird stuff happening.
I suggest you drop your dose, because more is not always better. As you see with this benzo.
What are you trying to achieve!? You are an insomniac?
Maybe get some GHB? That works wonders for some people, just dont take it around the clock.
 
This sounds like the 'Valium' we were getting in this neck of
the woods a few years ago. Turned out to be nor-diazepam
the metabolite that does not quite pack the punch.It took
about the amount you specify to get desired effects.


Buyer beware.

25 tablets of any valium you woluld get that's USP would
have you out for 24 hours.

~C
 
There are a number of people who have very strange responses to benzodiazapines.

I am one of them. If I take a large (for me) dose of diazapam I get stimulated, angry, depressed... and do all kinds of strange things in a dream like state.

I asked my doctor about this. He said it was not common, but common enough that it is recognized, and often happens to younger people.

Somthing to keep in mind I suppose.....

I think Clonazaman probably nailed this one though. The dose you took would have put down a cow if it were pure diazepam.
 
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In reference to benzos, there is something medically known as a "paradooxical" reaction, in which the subjest experiences stimulation, rage, connfusion, dementia etc. WHat id like to know if this is diazapam or the metabolist nor-vvalium
 
Why dont you check the soublilty in water that should at least start to point you in the right direction... maybee
 
"I know what clonazeman is talking about, and I agree. Sorry man. "

From , somewhere, there has always been an easily obtainable
supply of this nor-diazepam.I think it is alot easier to synthesize and make into tablets if you have a press and a supply of it.
Bags, Jars, of unmarked blue tablets would roll into town, .25's a piece, after about 10 of them you feel, something.

Reason I know this, is because like you we were bitching about the potentness of it, and then someone got fucked up enough to wrech their car, and the police had the pleasure of defining exactly what was in his blood.
 
Hmmm. I have not dealt with this particular substance, but I know from personal experience that no amount of diazepam that I have ever been able to get my hands on at once has EVER provided me insomnia relief. I know this is less than you are talking about, but still a substantial amount-- up to 100mg oral or IV within a short period of time ( a couple of hours being a short period of time, considering that the half life of diazepam is up to 200 hours). Have you considered the fact that you may well not have been sleeping when you were talking to family/making eggs/etc., but rather were awake and showing the typical signs of a benzo overdose, i.e. drunken-like behavior, discoordination, amnesia?

Have you found regular diazepam to be effective for sleep in the past? For some people it just doesn't work (unless, I'd presume, at a toxic dose--I did, for instance, once fall asleep after taking probably 60mg of another long-acting benzo, klonopin, but that put my GF in the awkward position of having to watch me breathe all night). Potent and short-acting benzos like triazolam (until I built up a tolerance) and now alprazolam put me to sleep. . . in my bed. . . and I generally stay there until I get up, 8 or 10 hours later.

Sorry I can't offer any experience with the powder of which you speak, but I hope you get some real sleep soon.
 
MaliceNwunderland said:
Bump? You are eating the shit, right? Don't sniff it!
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Diazepam is actually water soluble making it snortable, but no better than swallowing.. Sublingual is best, next to injection of course... Note: Do not inject valiums, just inectable diazepam solution.

As for the problem at hand.... Benzos dont really have a stimulating effect, but can lack the sedating effect i you are up and about ot begin with.. Ive seen it happen.. Benzos will also make a person much more delrious than alcohol or GHB, and nonsensical shit can be heard.

But 250mg??? This would render pretty much anyone unconcious, even those physically addicted... I dont know how you oculd go about testing your powder, or whether your source is a legit pharmacutical supplier or not.. If it is an ameatuer chemist, maybe they are trying to pass of a barbituate? The nor-diazepam thing sounds good...

Clonzeman, you say that your friend got a blood test and they found nor-diazepam.. You also say that nor-diazepam is a metabolite of diazepam.. So wouldnt it make sense that the police would find that after taking the real thing.. Please elaborate..

Negrogesic, what is the purpose of the valium.. Are you taking it for recreational purposes, cuz it doesnt really sound fun.. :)
 
I think this is the powder that is circling around, Some of you might have had some. Dont get me wrong, this shit works, but it feels different than normal old blue roches. This nor-valium will put me to sleep, only to wake up in a few hours acting psychotic. This bullshit doesnt happen with roche rohypnol. Shit.
 
I just found this info on nor-diazepam:

"Similar activity like diazepam, half-life in body 30-90 hrs, danger of cumulation! Dose: 5 mg nordiazepam = 5 mg diazepam, metabolite: oxazepam. Strong tranquillizer, higher doses induce sleep. Warning! Abuse leeds to habituation/addiction!"


Thank clonaz for the info, seems like you have some good info. If this stuff was made in some underground lab, i wonder what their cooking up............8(
 
No disrespect, but about the valium solubility:


"Diazepam is a benzodiazepine derivative. Chemically, diazepam is 7-chloro-1,3-dihydro-1-methyl-5-phenyl-2H-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one. It is a colorless crystalline compound, insoluble in water and has a molecular weight of 284.74."
 
negrogesic said:
No disrespect, but about the valium solubility:


"Diazepam is a benzodiazepine derivative. Chemically, diazepam is 7-chloro-1,3-dihydro-1-methyl-5-phenyl-2H-1,4-benzodiazepin-2-one. It is a colorless crystalline compound, insoluble in water and has a molecular weight of 284.74."
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My PDR says that diazepam has a solubility of about 3mg/ml in water.
 
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