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Loperimide

Dreaming With Dope

Bluelighter
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ALright, this is going to sound pretty stupid, but im very curious so im asking it: Loperimide is an opiate, but does not cross the BBB. can you snort it to get high? or will it only still do its anti-diarheal functions?
 
No. Loperamide does not have the ability to produce recreational euphoria. Its only use is one of the negative effects of opiate use.....constipation.
 
you would have to find a way, CHEMICALLY to make it cross the BBB , and unless your a chemist then I doubt you would know of any place to even start
 
definitely do a search. there are some very large threads, links to other sites, and all sorts of information on lopermide. seriously, there are some really good threads on it already.
 
What you need is a BBBB....A Blood-Brain-Barrier-Bridge....you know....so you can cross it?? (thanx I'll be here all night...)

No seriously though.....I asked this question a while ago and someone (I think PhreeX??) told me that Loperamide, in it's infancy, was originally designed to be a pain-relieving opiate-based medication. It was quickly discovered though, that it did nonesuch things.....but hey!! It still makes your bowel activity temporarily nonexistant.....and I am CONVINCED it helps with w/d's but that's just me....

I don't know why I'm rambling......do a search!!!:D
 
This is something intriguing i found on pubmed, although its a bit hypothetical (quinine, though an isomer of quinidine, doesnt work as well as quinidine, at least thats what ive found):

BACKGROUND: Although the antidiarrheal loperamide is a potent opiate, it does not produce opioid central nervous system effects at usual doses in patients. On the basis of in vitro studies demonstrating that loperamide is a substrate for the adenosine triphosphate-dependent efflux membrane transporter P-glycoprotein, we postulated that inhibition of P-glycoprotein with quinidine would increase entry of loperamide into the central nervous system with resultant respiratory depression. METHODS: To test this hypothesis, a 16-mg dose of loperamide was administered to eight healthy male volunteers in the presence of either 600 mg quinidine, a known inhibitor of P-glycoprotein, or placebo. Central nervous system effects were measured by evaluation of the respiratory response to carbon dioxide rebreathing as a measure of opiate-induced respiratory depression. RESULTS: Loperamide produced no respiratory depression when administered alone, but respiratory depression occurred when loperamide (16 mg) was given with quinidine at a dose of 600 mg (P < .001). These changes were not explained by increased plasma loperamide concentrations. CONCLUSION: This study therefore demonstrates first the potential for important drug interactions to occur by a new mechanism, namely, inhibition of P-glycoprotein, and second that the lack of respiratory depression produced by loperamide, which allows it to be safely used therapeutically, can be reversed by a drug causing P-glycoprotein inhibition, resulting in serious toxic and abuse potential.
 
I'm curious if anyone has any experience using loperamide in high doses (24mg and up) to overcome with-drawls?.
 
^^Yeah I mean that is all science. However in a real-world scenario loperamide would never be successful. Hence why it is sold OTC and produces an almost placebo effect. Even if a polymers expert managed to come up with a formulation that allowed loperimide to cross the BBB, I still am skeptical to if it would be able to compete with other opiates/oids.
 
If loperamide was made active by either inhibition of P-glycoprotein, some unconventional form of administration, or bonding it to plastic microparticles such as a polystearate, it could definately have some recreational properties given its relatively high potency (perhaps about that of levorphanol, but of shorter duration because of loperamides piperidine backbone, compared to levorphanol, which is a morphinan). But in all practicality, i dont think we will see this happen, given the numerous alternatives and easy access of other potent mu agonists...
 
bump for Kapheen's question--can someone tell me the 24-hour ceiling dose one would want to avoid for using loperamide? After reading a previous post by Kapheen and going through some nasty WDs, I dabbled in high doses, and wonder how toxic doses around 24-30 mg can be.

Thanks in advance.
swybs
 
I used doses of 48mg's (once a day) for days at a time then when stopping I received zero with-drawls the following days. I'm also curious about the dangers of dosing in high doses for multiple days at a time. I seem to have had no problems. I would even have a bowel movement about 15 hours after ingestion.

If safe I believe that in the right dose it can help just about any opiate addicted person.
 
Swybs: when it says the following.

resulting in serious toxic and abuse potential

By toxic, they mean the in the sense that fentanyl is toxic. It means it can result in respiratory depression. Opiates and opioids like fentanyl are technically considered "toxic" because it takes a relatively low amount to cause death. They dont mean loperamide is neurotoxic or toxic to your internal organs, it means that, in combination with quinidine (in their experiment), it can have the same "toxic" effects as other opioids, causing side effects like constipation, euphoria, and respiratory depression; so in this sense it is toxic.

So you said:
I dabbled in high doses, and wonder how toxic doses around 24-30 mg can be.

It is not toxic in this sense, so taking 24-30mg will do nothing but give you some bad constipation. It is not toxic to you organs or CNS. I have taken 60-80mg of loperamide with large doses of quinine, and quinidine, trying to mimic the experiment. I experienced nothing "toxic", aside from constipation. Do you understand what i mean?
 
i saw a study where a subject was given 96mg/day for w/d's and they helped substantially. i have also heard that prolonged high-doses can lead you to the O.R. with apendicitus(sp).

lopermide isn't a miracle drug, but i have taken relatively high doses in the recent past, for w/d's. seemed to help for a little bit, but about 12 hours after dosing heavily, i was already shitting again. this was in the 18-24 mg range (large by my standards, for lopermide...but not by 'gesic's standards :)
 
Yeah I wasn't sure what it meant at first either but figured it out...

euphoria is a very toxic effect ;)
 
naturalone said:
i saw a study where a subject was given 96mg/day for w/d's and they helped substantially. i have also heard that prolonged high-doses can lead you to the O.R. with apendicitus(sp).

yeah i recall a bl'er posting about getting appendicitis after taking relatively low doses for just a few days, so i guess some people may be particularily susceptible to this effect...
 
EXACTLY. What they mean by toxic is side-effects such as, euphoria!

And naturalone: any amount of loperamide over 10-12mg is a large dose, i was just trying to recreate the experiment in order to get "
serious toxic and abuse potential.
"
 
negrogesic, Thanks for answering the question I've been wondering about for so so damn long (Is loperamide dangerous in high doses). Thinking I may have been hurting myself in some way shape or form.

Honestly, I think that loperamide works wonders.

Most of the information here on bluelight revolves around taking 4-10 or so mg's of loperamide to help a bit with with-drawls. Though, It really does depend on your tolerance/usage with opiates. I can take 48mg's in the early AM and "go" later that night. My girl friend took 2mg's and didn't shit for 8 days. I went to the shopping center down the street and picked up a bunch of enemas (What a experience that was, lmao). Lemme tell ya they work wonders. Just in case anyone ever is stopped up really bad and laxatives don't seem to be working to well - Though, Some laxatives take around 8 hours to take effect.

Anyways, I think loperamide will work with the correct dosage with someone with a mild to moderate addiction. I came off of methadone with it. I relapsed, Of course. But I can take 48mg's when I'm sick and feel absolutely 100%. I don't know how well it would work on someone like negrogesic - Such a high tolerance and for such a long time. I do though, Think its worth a shot for anyone who is out of cash to get high, Or, For someone to use to get off. You'll just have to get the dosage right.
 
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