Nod Alot
Bluelighter
^^^i second this. Loperamide is all risk with minimal/non-existent reward when taken in large quantities. Not worth trading your life or health for a cheap buzz.
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Opioids Loperamide (Imodium) Megathread v. 2
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I've used loperamide to help with/alleviate withdrawal symptoms... i never used it to get high... I would take 5-10 of the 2mg pills and I truly saw a difference and would recommend it for the purposes of helping withdrawal symptoms. Thats just my two cents.
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
I'm not sure if I saw this answered in any of the posts, so I do apologise if it has been discussed....
....but I guess my question is more of just a personal experience not really a chemistry or scientific question..
..If you were on a HDL and popped some diphenhydramine between hours 2-3 after ingestion of said HDL, would there be any synergy? I have never actually tried it myself, I don't really dose on high loperamide to much, just for maintenance between either my DOC, or Suboxone... well..
...I guess now just more between my Suboxone doses, it helps me maintain between doses , of Sub, and I can save up Subs because of it.
So..yea..anyone have any experience with that or info?
....but I guess my question is more of just a personal experience not really a chemistry or scientific question..
..If you were on a HDL and popped some diphenhydramine between hours 2-3 after ingestion of said HDL, would there be any synergy? I have never actually tried it myself, I don't really dose on high loperamide to much, just for maintenance between either my DOC, or Suboxone... well..
...I guess now just more between my Suboxone doses, it helps me maintain between doses , of Sub, and I can save up Subs because of it.
So..yea..anyone have any experience with that or info?
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Yes, but it would synergize with the HDL side effects (like dehydration) too. If you normally like combining DPH and other opioids, then you'd probably enjoy HDL and DPH. Just keep in mind there is no safe way to take HDL.
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
^^^ yea..I did have that in mind about the dehydration.. I don't really do HDL very often at all, and I certainly don't do it to get 'high', when I use it, I use it for withdrawal/maintenance, and I have been on HDL and taken diphenhydramine at night for sleep before, but I have never popped diphenhydramine timed out properly to coincide with when the HDL kicks in, I suppose I could try next time. I guess it's kind of silly asking the question I did, as like I said, I'm not looking for a 'high' when I do HDL, I was just wondering if anybody has tried that? timing it out the way I described in the question, and what effects the user has experienced, if any at all?
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Yes I've used the combo before. I found them to synergize well, although I'm rather hesitant to encourage any form of HDL.
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
I understand, I don't really think that you are encouraging it's use, and I'm certainly not going to go run out right now to go try this combo because of this information. Next time, I myself, use HDL as a means of maintenance, I may try it
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
I find if you eat well, and drink lots of fluid, everything is fine in that department... I may go down from ...like 2-3 dumps, ha dump,.....
..... sorry Beavis and Butt-Head has warped my mind.... anyways, I'd go from 2-3 dumps a day to 1, but I don't do HDL regularly, so maybe if I did it on a daily basis I may back up, but then again if your body is working properly, it would acclimatise eventually to the new 'meds' so to speak, theoretically , and you'd become regular again for the most part....
...but whenever I do a HDL I always drink tonnes of water, take lots of magnesium, not over doing it, plus I take electrolyte drops everyday which has the electrolytic salt form of magnesium in it, I may double my normal dose of that, the drops , while on a HDL...magnesium will get you going for sure. If it's a short amount of time you're doing HDL, say like once, or twice in a row, the higher magnesium intake shouldn't hurt your body, but to much magnesium on a daily basis for extended amounts of time is not good and will cause mineral imbalance in your body, and that is not good at all, that in itself can be fatal.... So be careful....
And I've always been an advocate of ascorbic acid, read up about a guy named Linus Pauling and his studies on ascorbic acid, very interesting....
...I take larger than my normal daily dose of sodium ascorbate, a type of salt form ascorbic acid, when I'm on a HDL.... with the dose I take of HDL, and it's only ever 1, I take a massive amount of sodium ascorbate. Believe me, it will get your poop moving, ha poop.........
...ah jeeze , sorry...
.....but be very careful... It ,.. HDL that is, isn't something you want to be doing for a prolonged amount of time, if at all ever
Stay safe please
..... sorry Beavis and Butt-Head has warped my mind.... anyways, I'd go from 2-3 dumps a day to 1, but I don't do HDL regularly, so maybe if I did it on a daily basis I may back up, but then again if your body is working properly, it would acclimatise eventually to the new 'meds' so to speak, theoretically , and you'd become regular again for the most part....
...but whenever I do a HDL I always drink tonnes of water, take lots of magnesium, not over doing it, plus I take electrolyte drops everyday which has the electrolytic salt form of magnesium in it, I may double my normal dose of that, the drops , while on a HDL...magnesium will get you going for sure. If it's a short amount of time you're doing HDL, say like once, or twice in a row, the higher magnesium intake shouldn't hurt your body, but to much magnesium on a daily basis for extended amounts of time is not good and will cause mineral imbalance in your body, and that is not good at all, that in itself can be fatal.... So be careful....
And I've always been an advocate of ascorbic acid, read up about a guy named Linus Pauling and his studies on ascorbic acid, very interesting....
...I take larger than my normal daily dose of sodium ascorbate, a type of salt form ascorbic acid, when I'm on a HDL.... with the dose I take of HDL, and it's only ever 1, I take a massive amount of sodium ascorbate. Believe me, it will get your poop moving, ha poop.........
...ah jeeze , sorry...
.....but be very careful... It ,.. HDL that is, isn't something you want to be doing for a prolonged amount of time, if at all ever
Stay safe please
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
^^^.....oh and I'm sorry.... One more thing, is take a supplement called NAC, and take it everyday when the HDL is in your system, I take it everyday anyways, and take it with protein, IE. a meal ...
...I just take it with a couple handfuls of peanuts and sunflower seeds. With the protein NAC will make your liver produce a thing called glutathione, which is your livers main detoxifier, it works wonders...
....and the fiber from the seeds will help catch the toxins the glutathione from your liver will push out of your body, if not enough fiber, the toxins will just re absorbe through your G.I. and keep doing that until they all end up in your brain, and build up in there... So you need fiber, but not to much, as that is very bad for you too...
.....anyways, use caution, stay safe
...I just take it with a couple handfuls of peanuts and sunflower seeds. With the protein NAC will make your liver produce a thing called glutathione, which is your livers main detoxifier, it works wonders...
....and the fiber from the seeds will help catch the toxins the glutathione from your liver will push out of your body, if not enough fiber, the toxins will just re absorbe through your G.I. and keep doing that until they all end up in your brain, and build up in there... So you need fiber, but not to much, as that is very bad for you too...
.....anyways, use caution, stay safe
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
IME HDL is no more constipating than a moderate to high dose of buprenorphine or other potent opioids. So if one is already quite tolerant to the peripherial effects of opioid use, the constipating effects of loperamide are significantly reduced.
Proper nutrition, plenty of H2O and a high fiber diet are really a must for anyone with a serious opioid habit though.
Proper nutrition, plenty of H2O and a high fiber diet are really a must for anyone with a serious opioid habit though.
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
^^^dont overdo the fiber though, as it can lead to malabsorption and malnutrition...
...same with the H2O, to much will cause water toxicity/poisoning, essentially hyperhydration which can be fatal...
When increasing your water intake to astronomical levels past normal you need to supplement with electrolytes... I know Gatorade is supposed to help, but it really isn't that good with all the artificial colour and sugars, I would find some trace mineral drops to replenish your electrolytes....and keep things balanced...
.....and especially if you do HDL regularly and are drinking extreme amounts of water...
....honestly I wouldn't recommend HDL for extended periods of time... Maybe once...or do a quick taper and stop...it is potentially very unhealthy, and that can vary drastically from person to person...
...so be careful, and research and decide for yourself in regards to knowing what your own body is like....
Stay safe
...same with the H2O, to much will cause water toxicity/poisoning, essentially hyperhydration which can be fatal...
When increasing your water intake to astronomical levels past normal you need to supplement with electrolytes... I know Gatorade is supposed to help, but it really isn't that good with all the artificial colour and sugars, I would find some trace mineral drops to replenish your electrolytes....and keep things balanced...
.....and especially if you do HDL regularly and are drinking extreme amounts of water...
....honestly I wouldn't recommend HDL for extended periods of time... Maybe once...or do a quick taper and stop...it is potentially very unhealthy, and that can vary drastically from person to person...
...so be careful, and research and decide for yourself in regards to knowing what your own body is like....
Stay safe
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
There are also something called "rehydrating salts" (basically Gatorade without the sugar and shit) that is far better than sports drinks, but also far more expensive. They use it for stuff like alpine rescue and whatnot, to help with severe cases of dehydration (a little goes a very long way). When my dissociative use got out of control and was beginning to cause some health problems, this stuff really help out my body's ability to process all the shit I was dumping into it.
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
^^^yep, for sure, that is the trace mineral supplement drops I was talking about, I get the concentrate liquid drops, I'm sure they have powder packets too, but yea, sports drinks are better than nothing, but there is a lot of crappy stuff in them, that actually pretty close to negate the good it does, the concentrate electrolyte salts are well balanced, and in natural bioavailable form....
...works great for hangovers from booze too, booze sucks the salts out, cant just chug water in the morning, you need the salts back in your system for the H2O to absorb into, with no salts, the water will in turn make you feel worse and drain you more...
...thats why pickles and salted peanuts are great when youre drinking the booze, to replace the salts
...works great for hangovers from booze too, booze sucks the salts out, cant just chug water in the morning, you need the salts back in your system for the H2O to absorb into, with no salts, the water will in turn make you feel worse and drain you more...
...thats why pickles and salted peanuts are great when youre drinking the booze, to replace the salts
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
Like....
...in the same day???
...HDL is pretty long lasting, redosing the next day even, will compound the levels of lope in your system...
....but it's really unhealthy, and you aren't going to get' high ' or 'higher' for that matter, as you don't really get 'high' in the first place, it's just more of relief, well me anyways...
...everyone is different though...
..but be careful, do some research, weigh out your personal pros and cons
...in the same day???
...HDL is pretty long lasting, redosing the next day even, will compound the levels of lope in your system...
....but it's really unhealthy, and you aren't going to get' high ' or 'higher' for that matter, as you don't really get 'high' in the first place, it's just more of relief, well me anyways...
...everyone is different though...
..but be careful, do some research, weigh out your personal pros and cons
Say you didn't reached the same level of "high" as you did on another occasion, would re-dosing work?
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
...ive never tried, I don't use it for that, but I'm sure it will mostly likely just increase the bad side effects...
...it really isn't something you'd want to do repeatedly all the time...it is very unhealthy.... HDL is good for withdrawal and maintenance
...it really isn't something you'd want to do repeatedly all the time...it is very unhealthy.... HDL is good for withdrawal and maintenance
Well I re-dosed abut 4 hours before bed, didn't feel anything, then woke up today more high, I think it takes a good few hours to kick in. I see what you're saying about it being dangerous and unhealthy though.
A.F.B.EsquHigher
Bluelighter
It does take a while to kick in for sure...
For me it takes 2 hours or so....I usually will pop all the pills at once, usually 96mg, right before I sleep, me myself has never experienced any nausea or anything, but doing it right when I fall asleep I think I sleep through any discomfort and wake up feeling fine...
....now with my HDL I take a huge load of sodium ascorbate, more than I normally take, I can still poop in the morning because of it, and I take another mega dose of sodium ascorbate in the morning, and for the 2 days im feeling the HDL I up my daily intake of sodium ascorbate in general, and take a supplement called NAC, n-acetyl - cysteine, to help protect my liver, you need to take NAC with a high protein meal, the combination of the amino acids in the protein and NAC will make your liver produce a thing call Glutathione, which is your livers main detoxifier.... Which you will be needing while on HDL,...
....anyways , stay safe, stay healthy, and feel good
^^^sorry also...
....do some research on the NAC before using it, as you can't take it after consuming alcohol, it has to be at least one hour before, or atleast 5 hours after your last drink....if you use it improperly you run the risk of actually damaging your liver, and it does irritate some people's stomach, having it with a meal will most likely take care of any potential discomfort, take it early in your meal, and pack the food on top, and this will take care of that...
.....I usually will eat a few handfulls of nuts, and/or a hard boiled egg, it doesn't have to be a 'full' meal, but you do need the protein with the followingNAC for your liver to produce Glutathione...
...and you can get Glutathione pills, but they are bunk, your stomach acids will destroy it before it reaches your liver..
...the liver has to produce it's own for it to be effective....
....just some health tips
Stay safe
For me it takes 2 hours or so....I usually will pop all the pills at once, usually 96mg, right before I sleep, me myself has never experienced any nausea or anything, but doing it right when I fall asleep I think I sleep through any discomfort and wake up feeling fine...
....now with my HDL I take a huge load of sodium ascorbate, more than I normally take, I can still poop in the morning because of it, and I take another mega dose of sodium ascorbate in the morning, and for the 2 days im feeling the HDL I up my daily intake of sodium ascorbate in general, and take a supplement called NAC, n-acetyl - cysteine, to help protect my liver, you need to take NAC with a high protein meal, the combination of the amino acids in the protein and NAC will make your liver produce a thing call Glutathione, which is your livers main detoxifier.... Which you will be needing while on HDL,...
....anyways , stay safe, stay healthy, and feel good
^^^sorry also...
....do some research on the NAC before using it, as you can't take it after consuming alcohol, it has to be at least one hour before, or atleast 5 hours after your last drink....if you use it improperly you run the risk of actually damaging your liver, and it does irritate some people's stomach, having it with a meal will most likely take care of any potential discomfort, take it early in your meal, and pack the food on top, and this will take care of that...
.....I usually will eat a few handfulls of nuts, and/or a hard boiled egg, it doesn't have to be a 'full' meal, but you do need the protein with the followingNAC for your liver to produce Glutathione...
...and you can get Glutathione pills, but they are bunk, your stomach acids will destroy it before it reaches your liver..
...the liver has to produce it's own for it to be effective....
....just some health tips
Stay safe
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