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"Looping" in trips - Explain first hand accounts

Tunnelfission

Tunnelfission

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I've never had a trip where I wasn't cognitively intact but I always accept it as a possibility. At the same time I would claim that I have also experienced ego death.

When my friends are having a bad trip involving repetitive behavior, random off topic talking I feel I have some insight into whats happening to them (because I know them well as friends and may understand some of the scrambled communication they're attempting) but at the same time I'm not sure what it's like to feel "lost" on a psychedellic trip.

Can I have some first perspective accounts of what happens when one is in a temporary psychedellic psychosis? keep it comfortable, just explain mental phenomenon don't worry about releasing content i'm just concerned that of course with such powerful substances this could happen to anybody! I feel myself rather healthy mentally but I want to know what it is like inside of these trips because along with my level headedness comes the ability to take care of my friends in time of need and possibly look out for some early warning signs of confusion leading to delusion.

I hear alot of people getting into "heaven and hell" trips, and also ones where they are mistaking the trip and waking life for a dream, or that they think they must have died, why are these so common.

discuss!
 
Well the one time I've gone into psychosis (oral DMT) it was a largely egoless state. I don't remember hardly anything except some blackness and random 'thoughts' that'd pop out of nowhere. Went through a 1-2 hour period in what seemed like 5 minutes. So this isn't really much help to the matter.

Talking to a friend of mine after he went into a psychotic state he didn't remember anything either.
 
i ate a half ounce of cyanescens mushrooms when i was 15 i was already experienced with mushies but this fucked my day up for 12 hours buddy haha i saw words breaking apart in my head, forgot how to speak english altogether, everything in the room came to life, i went mad haha it was pretty frightening
 
Tunnelfission said:
I've never had a trip where I wasn't cognitively intact but I always accept it as a possibility. At the same time I would claim that I have also experienced ego death.

When my friends are having a bad trip involving repetitive behavior, random off topic talking I feel I have some insight into whats happening to them (because I know them well as friends and may understand some of the scrambled communication they're attempting) but at the same time I'm not sure what it's like to feel "lost" on a psychedellic trip.

Can I have some first perspective accounts of what happens when one is in a temporary psychedellic psychosis? keep it comfortable, just explain mental phenomenon don't worry about releasing content i'm just concerned that of course with such powerful substances this could happen to anybody! I feel myself rather healthy mentally but I want to know what it is like inside of these trips because along with my level headedness comes the ability to take care of my friends in time of need and possibly look out for some early warning signs of confusion leading to delusion.

I hear alot of people getting into "heaven and hell" trips, and also ones where they are mistaking the trip and waking life for a dream, or that they think they must have died, why are these so common.

discuss!
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Hey buddy! Good to see you on here, I'll direct you to the main psychedelic thought loop thread:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=384793

A got a good discussion going on starting with the 97th post near the bottom of the 4th page:

love_sex_desire said:
Many people speak of the LSD thought loop, especially when talking about psychosis or hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD). My subjective understanding of the LSD thought loop, which I have experienced, is when a finite mind is exposed to the infinite. This leads to seemingly contradicting and paradoxical thoughts which tend to cycle or loop. Some people get caught within this loop which can have negative effects.

Some realize our entire reality is a paradox intuitively. I have come to understand that our perceivable reality is based on polarities that are both independent because they are opposite yet dependent on one another for each other's existence. Our brains are hardwired to perceive in binary terms. If all we experienced was black, it would be a void and not even the concept of black could exist. Once black is contrasted with white, both polarities become perceivable to the human mind, and therefore they are both independently dependent.

Another common paradoxical loop I have experienced is the concept that time perpetuates linearly in circles. Years go forward while the months go round. The cycling of the seasons through the Earth's cycle around the sun stabilizes time which allows it progress forwards. These paradoxical understandings can have positive effects if one is ready to integrate them. These paradoxical understandings can also lead to psychosis and confusion.

This is simply my subjective interpretation of the LSD though loop that I have personally experienced, and it is extremely difficult to convey this phenomena in words. I was interested in everyones thoughts, reflections and understandings of the LSD thought loop to gain a more holistic understanding of this common theme of "looping" that many people experience on psychedelics. This could be in the context of all psychedelics, not just LSD, but LSD is the only psychedelic I have used rather extensively and have had profound realizations of this common theme of "looping" or "cycling" with. I'm interested if other people have contrasting or comparable understandings of this phenomena.

As you may notice, all of the threads I have started on bluelight end with one of my quotes which reflects my understanding of this phenomena:

<The yin-yang sums up the perpetuation of existence. A paradoxically positive/negative feedback loop which allows time to perpetuate linearly in circles.>
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One time at a party i had taken 2 blue stars, which at the time were MDA based, and 2 hits of 100mic LSD.

I ran down my friends stairs and jumped onto his bed. This repeated its self 3 times. When i would hit the bed it would rewind and i would run down the stairs again, jump on the bed then it would rewind again.

Then when i came too, i was on the bed where 3 other people had been and they were smoking a bowl and i jumped up and yelled WHAT THE FUCKK! HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN HERE?

It was very confusing, but not scary by any means.
 
being stuck in a loop is living hell, pure insanity. awhile ago i did a stupid combo of lots of alcohol, couple drags from a salvia joint, nitrous and sniffed two big lines of DMT in a flat full of people who were doing nitrous. needless to say it was a stupid thing to do, in completely the wrong setting, it sent me fucking nuts for about half an hour.

i properly lost the plot, and went insane, completely stuck in a loop. when i actually snapped back and realized i was in a loop i thought i was going to have to go to a mental asylum. then the loop started up again, then i snapped back. it was like being stuck between a trip and reality.

i would sit down with the people, feel sick, go to the kitchen, nearly puke and whilst i was in the kitchen id hear everybodys fucked up deep Nitrous voice echoing over and over. i would nearly puke, fail, go in, sit down with everybody. then i would feel sick again, go back out, repeat the same thing over and over. it felt like i was "stuck" in a video and it was going to happen forever. it felt like it had already happened a million times and would never stop. id go back in and ask "what the fuck is going on? how many times have i just been to the kitchen? " and i couldn't understand their reply. confusing, anxiety, paranoia. ended up crawling around on the floor and eventually in a fetal position

I felt ok the day after but when i tried to sleep i and had some weird flashback/panic attack and it felt like my brain was actually SCREAMING. i induced PTSD i assume. i thought i had fucked myself up. its been 3 months since that and i still get mild feelings of what happened when i go to bed, words being repeated over and over in a repeating deep nitrous oxide induced voice, a feeling of sinking dread followed by a strange vibration and panic
 
I got my self into a loop, it was terrible. It all started when the people who were at the house i was at suddenly, fllipped out started yelling screwming at each other, and as we all know thats not a good thing to have when your going off the deep end on a mushies trip. Needless to say the next 8hrs were horrendous, i kept asking if i had wet my self at the time because thats what was in my head for why the people were always looking at me pissed off.(aweful thought to have). I eventually went upstairs to ride out the rest of it...constantly asking what time it was, how long has it been. At one point i had it dead set that i was dead.....laying in the street just dead.

I would never wish this experience on anyone, but i have learned from to to say the least. Time to adjust and try it again ;) Hope something in that helped haha
 
if i ever do LSD or a big dose of mushies i'll keep a lot of valium around, wouldnt like to be stuck in a messed up trip for hours and hours, would drive me nuts
 
^^ thats the worst part about it, i had a very close friend trying to help me through it but to no avail, i would forget the things i said within about 30sec of saying them, then say the complete opposite...gotta be hard for a sitter.
 
Yeah dude, it happened to this girl I'm seeing the day after I met her (we were at a fest). And I wanted to help so much, but there's like zero short term memory so any help you provide becomes irrelevant in seconds.
 
The true definition of Madness is being stuck in a thought loop.
I once took a heavy batch of some potent booms... completely lost it. at first i was stuck in the idea that i needed to eat, drink water and then smoke a cigarette, over and over again.. then i began to believe i was feeling sick and kept running from my bed to the bathroom over and over. After this point i visioned i was floating in space and the same images kept floating in front of my face, A clock that read 8:00pm and the word Wednesday in big bold letters, like they were orbiting around me. The maddening part was that i was conciously seeing it happen, but couldnt do anything to stop it.

Thought loops suck!! Mario Kart helps :)
 
Only off of mda pills I thought I was experiencing a loop in time. It first hit me 3 hours into the trip when I realized my cousin had smoked all the weed she had bought, all the weed she had prior and was asking me where my weed was. I realized something was wrong as it seemed like she wasn't consciously doing this. Then everything dawned on me....she had been doing the same things in the same sequence for the past couple of hours...check facebook, try to call her bf, look at herself in the mirror, smoke weed.

I said to her..."A, you're smoking all the weed" and she goes "OMG WTF why'd you let me smoke all this weed?!"...after I shrug she immediately asks me where I put the bowl and the lighter and starts grabbing for the weed. We go through this over and over again until I hid all the lighters in my house and the bowl along with the weed. I had to take her phone away so that she would stop calling her bf at 5am. Btw she was holding a piece of weed between her fingers lighting it and I ask her wtf she's doing and she says matter of factly..."I'm gonna smoke this." I was so bugged out and going through things of my own from tripping and that just made everything stressful. Strangest night.
 
IDK why you all hate thought loops so much. Its funny because it occurs to me, that if you think about how much you hate thought loops while your stuck in one, all you'll think about is how much you hate thought loops! In general though I find thought loops provide me with just about as much comedy as a human being can stand. For instance I once looked at two jars peanut butter while on 5 grams of mushies, and for the next 10-15 minutes all I thought about was "so much peanut butter" and I could just not stop my laughing fit if my life depended on it. The pattern was literally *hysterical laghter* "soooo much peanut butter" *hysterical laughter* and repeat

Even one of the worst thought loops I once got stuck in, which consisted of laughing for 10 seconds, then bawling for 10 seconds, then back to laughing for 10 seconds and so on and so forth was not a bad experience, per se, just really very interesting.
 
i have experienced some particularly hellish though loops

like rollinlikeabigshot, i thought i had wet myself or done something completely inappropriate while in the midst of my group of friends. i kept asking "what time is it" partly because i couldn't read the clock (numbers were dancing) and partly because i was confused and i knew that i had zero short term memory.

i may or may not have walked to the bathroom several times and then forgotten why i was in there...

i'm sure i blacked out at one point because i was without my pants later on that night...

i'm sure thought loops really delve deep into our consciousness, but it's very difficult to control them (if you don't like them, you'll focus on them and keep having them). the best way to deal with them is to ride it out i suppose.

if you ever get the good fortune (lol) of tripsitting someone while they go into a full-on psychotic loop-out, you're going to have to do some severe mind-fuckery to get them to calm down. as in, figure out what emotional battle is going on in his/her mind, and try to safely let them release their emotional stoppage. beware, you might hear some bizarre repressed childhood memories or guilty pleasures 8)

i'm pretty sure some of my mushroom anxieties were brought out by my semi-closet bi nature-- since there was never any reason to discuss my sexuality with my friends, it had never come up. but in the emotional realm of tripping, i felt like i was hiding my true nature among my friends who were much more true to themselves than i was being to myself. releasing my inhibitions was the most difficult thing to do, but it made me feel cleansed. it turns out they don't really care who i bang :)
 
aight so one time i ate 2 hits of super dank acid, it was my first time on lucy but i had done mushys a bunch. anyways trippin pretty hard a few hours in we broke out the salvia. my first time on salvia, i took a HUGE bong rip held it till i almost threw up. then got stuck in a trip loop for 3 hours. it was terrible. i could see a giant wheel turning with a hundreds of frames of reality on it. i would start 2 move with the wheel and then eventrly get back to reality into my body throw up and start all over. i didnt really feel scared, didnt feel anything really. major depersonalaztion. it was intense
 
Usually the loops that I experience are centered around me not being able to make up my mind about whether or not I am enjoying myself or whether or not "this" is "real"... for instance, a very generic, and quickly made (not well thought out) example of the thought process of a fairly common thought loop I come across....

this is amazing, why is this so amazing? no, HOW is this so amazing? no, WHAT is THIS? SO AMAZING!!! But really what is this? why is this happening, I always forget how amazing these experiences are. I always forget these experiences. If I don't remember this , its like it didn't happen. If it didn't actually happen, then it isn't happening now, and if its not happening, its not amazing, This IS NOT AMAZING!!!! not amazing, un-amazing, TERRIFYING!!!!! I like .... do I like..... ? ..... What is this!!!??...

THIS IS AMAZING!!!....
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^ha, those kind of loops are just called 'trippin out' lol

negative thought loops are incredibly difficult to recover from due to loss of short-term memory and general confusion. the way out is to surrender to the blackness, which has its own problems if one forgets to sit down first.
 
SmokeNDose said:
The other day, as I was preparing to try to get some sleep I got stuck in a little loop. My plan was to make it downstairs to the bathroom. As soon as i opened the door to the completely pitch black hallway i froze. I couldn't decide whether to stand there in the middle of the doorway and trip out to the darkness or make my way down. I just kept going back and forth in my head, telling myself i had to move, but i was frozen staring into the darkness. After a short time, i suddenly pulled out an ipod, which lit up the hallway and i carried on, laughing about how stupid i was to get stuck staring into nothing.

In this case the loop had an end due to problem solving but those loops that have no escape can be pretty annoying.
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thats not a loop.
 
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