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Misc Looking to repeat a wonderful experience

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Izabael

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Hello,
2 months ago I had to undergo surgery. Wasn't anything very serious, but still a general anesthesia was required. I am not sure what kinds of drugs they used to put me under but I had the most wonderful experiences. I have been into lucid dreaming for quite a while and let's just say that I achieved my peak while under. Everyone who has seen the movie Inception, knows what I am talking about.

I want to repeat this on my own but unfortunately I don't know any anesthesiologists who would agree to do this. I know that multiple complications can arise from sedatives and anesthetics including respiratory distress. With that said what is a relatively safe method for me to anesthetize myself ? I have this drug Tofisopam lying around which is a benzo derivative and my doc prescribed it to me in case I have an anxiety attack. Says here that a larger dose may cose a mild comma, is this what I am looking for ? What about Ketamine ? I really am new to this and have no idea how to approach and would really prefer not to use needles.

All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

P.S.
If there are any Anesthesiologists here I'd love to talk : Skype: izabael
 
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I guess they used ketamine, it does cause hallucinations. No you're not looking for a coma! Lol
 
Hmm, you are probably right. I'll guess I will have to look more into K.

I am 18 and weigh about 120lbs. I have never taken K before. What do you think is a proper oral dosage ?

What about nitrous ? Does it last longer ? I've heard Nitrous can be very dangerous tho.
 
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Nitrous oxide ? The stuff in whipping cream cans ? It barely last a couple minutes and just make you smile/laugh a little. It can be dangerous if you inhale from balloons or those big cans used by dentists. I tried it. Just a waste of money. Anyways if you plan to use it many times, take some b12.
Not sure about K dosage. People do 50-500mg orally. Check this : http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml
 
Hmm. Interesting article. Are you aware of your surroundings when you are in the K-Hole ? If you are with other people would you be able to understand the presence of other people around ?
Also can you reach the anesthetic state with oral administration ?
 
My experience with nitrous--on several dozen occasions--has been in the dental chair, used for everything from routine teeth cleaning to tooth extraction and dental implants. Did I get high? Occasionally and fleetingly. Mostly I became very relaxed (not my normal state!) and not caring what happened to me. It should be said that I am also a chronic pain patient on a boatload of opioids, etc., none of which make me high, either.

Regarding anesthesia, I've been knocked out for procedures with propofol on eight occasions. No high, no dreams--just zzzzz, and then I woke up. Propofol was what Michael Jackson retained an on-site doctor to use in him for insomnia. Until MJ died, that is.

Based on decades of treatment from chronic pain physicians who also practiced anesthesiology, your chances of finding one who'd dose you for fun are nil... unless you found a really dodgy one who could be bribed with lots of money.

Sorry to harsh your idea, but neither nitrous nor off-protocol anesthesia sound possible or promising.

Good luck, stay safe.
 
Hmm propofol ? I've never heard of this one. Do you have regular dreams on propofol similar to when you are sleeping ? How long were you out and did you have air support while on it ?
 
Not going to lie this just sounds incredibly dangerous.. as well I would think it would be tough to mimic the effect on ones body brought on by a chemically induced sleep.
 
No need to take doses used for anethesia... The more you use, the less you're aware of reality. High doses will cause you to completely forget reality and kinda live in another world.
 
Hmm... It can't be that dangerous. They put billions of people under anesthesia. Sure there is an anesthesiologist present and air support though which is a game changer.
Still I am thinking that self-administered Ketamine or Propofol might do the trick with a little bit of kitchen knowledge.
 
Each time I was under propofol IV, I became unconscious immediately and woke up shortly after the procedure was completed. There was an anesthesiologist and respiratory monitoring throughout. No dreams, except one time I thought I was dreaming and it turned out the medical crew was discussing what they'd found.

Frankly, I've been told, nobody outside the knock-'em-out circles had heard of propofol until Michael Jackson died while on it, presumably of respiratory depression; his in-house M.D. stepped out to make a phone call or for a smoke rather than monitoring MJ continuously as he was supposed to. In fact, one time when the anesthesiologist noticed there was no propofol in the room and asked the nurse to go get some, I joked, "What... I get the 'Michael Jackson meds'?"

They whirled around and said, "What?!?" They were shocked that I'd heard of it; added that until MJ died it was NOT known to the general public.

So as powerfully attractive as it may seem to be under general anesthesia at will (I can certainly understand), getting the drugs, plus guaranteeing that you'll wake up all right AND in possession of groovy dreams doesn't seem like an attainable goal.
 
Ketamine is special because it does not affect respiration to the point where you need artificial respiration. Being in the k hole in more enjoyable than using higher doses I think, and much safer.
 
There is a reason that anesthesiologists attend 12+ years of school and pay the highest amount in risk insurance over any other type of doctor.

If you were under any sort of general anesthetic for the purpose of being "under" during a surgery, whatever 'dream' you are recalling is likely something you are recollecting from right before you were put under (count backwards from 100, okay?) or something from when you were coming 'to' ie waking up from the surgery.
Anesthesia "sleep" is a drug-induced state of unconsciousness, and is very different from normal sleep. Under full general anesthesia patients do not dream.

No anesthesiologist is going to help you with this, and it's a thought you should let go of.
If you want to have some nice dreams with drugs, get some mild sedatives and go to bed.
 
What you need to repeat the experience is:

150-200mg ketamine racemic (possibly less with S(+) isomer)
1x syringe+needle

inject 150mg ketamine IM to repeat the experience. (you could snort it too, requiring more, oral is pretty useless since it's converted to nor-ketamine)

I'm sure it was ketamine, propfol+gas combo would only result in everything going black in a matter of seconds, no hallucinations or vivid dreams.

Ketamine is safe to inject alone if you are not on medications, it does not cause respiratory depression in reasonable dosages.
 
Hmm Toz are you sure ? A lot of Ketamine users report experiences from Oral administration or that's what I read ?
 
I find oral ketamine to be useless, it causes lots of nausea and has much diminished effects compared to snorting / shooting it. I'd actually rather not take it at all instead of taking it orally.
 
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There is a reason that anesthesiologists attend 12+ years of school and pay the highest amount in risk insurance over any other type of doctor.

If you were under any sort of general anesthetic for the purpose of being "under" during a surgery, whatever 'dream' you are recalling is likely something you are recollecting from right before you were put under (count backwards from 100, okay?) or something from when you were coming 'to' ie waking up from the surgery.
Anesthesia "sleep" is a drug-induced state of unconsciousness, and is very different from normal sleep. Under full general anesthesia patients do not dream.

No anesthesiologist is going to help you with this, and it's a thought you should let go of.
If you want to have some nice dreams with drugs, get some mild sedatives and go to bed.
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^This. Anesthesia isn't something you can learn about through a post on a drug forum. This really is something that should be left to the professionals.

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im pretty sure "what should i take" threads are not allowed.
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Indeed. We can't tell you what they gave you and we certainly can't tell you what to take to get into a state similar to anesthesia. The drugs used include some very potent ones that could kill you if you made even a slight error in dosing. Not to mention the fact that a lot of the time anesthesia is accomplished with a mixture of drugs, further compounding the danger. I encourage you to read the posting rules before posting again. Feel free to PM me or another Other Drugs staff member if you have any questions.

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