Tryptamines Looking for your personal "mushroom signatures" and other hallucinations deep inside your CEV's

[Opana313]

As the title says:

I will start with this one:

I am curious about this "star spangled banner" that curves out(among many other things; turnes into a cube, wavering magic carpet, spiraling into helix form) that contain the "checkerboard" like pattern.

I feel this one is the one where is why most say, "I saw stars" sometimes (for me) the checkerboard layout consists of 3 major focal points that move around but they definitely are equal to "sun spots" or if you want to see a manual sober demonstration it looks VERY similar to when you shut one eye and rub gently on closed lid or applying pressure to the inside corner of your eyes , although it is just one blotch not 1 big, 1 small, and another big one(this pattern sometimes continues and turns into symbols(from Pi all the way to hiroglyphs) , numbers, stars & moons, to w. You will see your finger pressing in but this is pretty close to what I mean when I say sun spot. Please do not look at the sun lol.

This one here I also get with LSD but much less. In fact sometimes it is very difficult to get any CEV with acid. Compared to mushrooms, LSD seems like it lacks in the closed eye visual impression.

 

[jwking26]

When I do mushrooms the cev it the best part for me. Ill go through the whole trip with my eyes closed listening to calming music.

 

[pupnik]

this is a huge topic with many many aspects
some significant and personal, others are a matter of common sense, and some are a side effect of visual processing whether stoned or not.
1. DO NOT PUT PRESSURE ON YOUR EYE BALLS
I have heard of people doing this to try to access some visual illusions, but this is not a good idea an it can easily damage the eyes for your lifetime, just do not do it, also try to avoid rubbing eyes with any force as it scratches the corneas.
Some aspects of image development do start at the eye, but the hallucinations, other than diffraction and quantity of light, do not start at the eye, and eye pressure effects are related to nerve damaging pressure - so do not pressure your eyes.
2. larger pupils do enhance the star patterns and feathers of colored light perceived when high.
3.

the cafe wall illusion illustrates some of the perceptual effects of cerebral cortical column regional signal processing.
this represents a huge area of visual perception quirks that we all share, and it is exaggerated when we are stoned, but still not really personal or ideosycratic.
4. Pareidolia - seeing faces embedded in other patterns is also an effect of cerebral cortical column regional signal processing, and while it can be amusing or spooky it is not personal.
5. some motifs, however, may correspond with your personality, family history, culture, and religion, and these may show up in your hallucinations with personal significance worth thinking about during and after your trips.
6. more complex hallucinations are due to frame stacking, i.e. when visual frames from one moment overlap visual frame s from another or from memory
7. motion and grid hallucinations use structures in the temporal lobes and parietal lobes of the cortex that provide us with awareness of space and trajectories of movements.
8. synesthesia is what happens when the senses overlap and mix, and it includes the illusions from 2 to 7 in this list.

 

[foodcrisis]

i get realistic closed eye visuals with acid like i'm in a different place sometimes. it can be abstract lazer show type stuff on both shrooms and acid. i can't really remember if i had realistic like dream like reality hallucinations like acid on shrooms before, i don't really think so, but i'm confused with what i was on with some of my memories from trips.

on my first shroom trips for lighter doses, i saw this green apple colored light blob thing, i may've been spinning around it. on other salvia trips i was stuck in the color flashing. i saw this color a lot in my early trips... on a higher dose shroom trip i forgot the color and i was in this video game like world traveling through these fraggle rock muppet type caves...

speaking of realistic dream like trips, i'm not sure if many people have those. i've had dreams of watching people getting beaten by cops and all sorts of weird shit. i was getting sent through all these portals like cartoon black hole travel and ending up in totally real situations thinking i was different people one time on acid. it was a lot like the salvia traveling except i get stuck in all abstract painting like shit on salvia. it's like total reality shit on acid sometimes. i've had abstract stuff on acid though too. it can be pretty much anything like one minute i'm in a cartoon the next minute i'm in a different real life situation.

i've never done any time portal traveling on mushrooms. when i was going through the fraggle rock muppet caves, it was on 5.5 grams of medium strength shrooms and i was lying in bed. it was a pretty chill experience..

my last trip was two grams of penis envy and i was sleep deprived i was lying in bed and all these black wires were moving in and out of each other. it really wasn't that great. i didn't like all the black shadow shit. i don't know if it was cause i was sleep deprived. it was unlike all my bright and colorful trips. that was like 8 years ago now when i went on that trip. haven't really been using psychedelics recently other than the HPPD from weed. i tripped for years though on different shit.

 

[Opana313]

Good point Pupnik and very cool! Always inspiring to open my mind up more! I definitely feel that I know what you mean about layer frame stacking ordeal, and yeah don't press them bad! I mean like your normal 'rub the sleep away from your eyes' type of gentle.
And wow @foodcrisis very cool this has not happened to me on LSD. I have had some insane experiences where I legit lost consciousness or whatever fell into a dream state and ended up with a praying mantis which I'm sure you all have read lol...but after that peak or however much time I was out, and IN there - I then was presented with some things that I have read from others(this was all after the fact) , like the "snapping of fingers at your forehead" before I awoke from it, THEN the rest of the trip spent turned into a whole visual display of the fucking brightest neon greenish colors I have ever witnessed along with beautiful strings of red & blues while moving about/smoking ganja (the red, greens and blues are usually mushrooms for me..but I suspect I had been tripping on acid a bit too much, which could explain the absence of CEV).

Definitely some sort of motif that has literally streamed in front of my eyes twice in pitch darkness, yet OEV..this was 5g of cubes and was extremely chill yet outstanding because right at the peak they would stream in opposite directions (parallel mostly) then came the Egyptian type of scene - like it was showing me some direct lineage lol then I blanked out.

The 2nd time I had this stream across again was on a candyflip with about 2g of PE. Same thing and also noted again that I could not even SEE my hand in front of this "stream?", but I could see my hand if I moved it underneath or above this hallucination.

Now eyes closed with pan cyan is just fucking chefs kiss for me..the vibrant neon or glowing colors float on by - looking like spiral galaxies - then with some sort of mental 3rd eye focus - I'll get this sort of small window that is open for viewing, and that seemed to be FILLED with cartoon like hallucinations(what I still remember is the chinese like artistry - dragon. ..so much to be seen it is just absolutely incredible. Especially this display of neon like shimmering colors that are draped down(this! Wow! Just absolute gratitude after this)

I have noticed for sure on lower doses that I really can work this inner eye 👁 to this viewing display window that sorta morphs ever which way but without a doubt presents to me this rolled out banner type dealio (sorta like the entertainment & movie forum here).

I feel it's important to share these things and yeah for me Salvia has always been a very very quick WTF snake dragon spiral staircase of people arm in arm...wtf was that it's over. I have never felt transported nor trapped so I reckon maybe I have not completely blasted off.

 

[paranoid android]

I like the kind of Predator vision (like the 80's movie for anyone not old) you get on shrooms. I dont get that from acid acid is less intense imo

 

[pupnik]

@Opana313 as for salvia, if you saw things like that then you definitely completely blasted off.
more blasted and you will have merged with the floor or sky and then there is amnesia which equates as no experience at all, and probably a mess to clean up later.
people do not necessarily see the same things, and definitely the words they use to describe what they have seen are always their own personal versions of language.

 

[Opana313]

Yessir also I have had experiences that turned into the Alien movie(the way they camouflage into wall) or maybe more along the lines of wires/coils.

And Awesome I guess I have! I usually only smoke a little bit of 20x if I feel like it..and just get the gravity thing. This last time I had watched McKenna and I was like well well let's see if I can achieve some closed eye mandala..I loaded my lil weed pipe up to the max and as I slowly put it down, eye mask and then as I exhaled I laid back AND YES I felt as you described, merging deep into the floor but what visions I had described earlier traveled UP toward me and I basically went up as well all the way into a crouching position hanging onto the arm of my couch(in a sort of fright), which I felt was part of this staircase as I looked over my shoulder down at wherever it had tried to send me...

I still feel like I resisted and possibly could further, especially when I hear people saying they lived in a whole different world/trapped or became something else entirely.

I really need to get with an MAOI with mushroom or lsd(hell i haven't even experienced creatine with it yet).

Anyone deep into using harmalas or anything of this nature? I really wonder what the experience is like all on it's own.

 

[pupnik]

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I still feel like I resisted and possibly could further, especially when I hear people saying they lived in a whole different world/trapped or became something else entirely.

I really need to get with an MAOI with mushroom or lsd(hell i haven't even experienced creatine with it yet).
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what is experienced on Salvia Divinorum or extracts of it, are not the result of wishes or whims. You cannot direct it or hope to see what someone else has seen.
you can only expect to go through the intensity stages as set out, and it relates to dosage.

S - subtle
A - altered
L - light visual
V - visionary
I - immaterial
A - amnesia

a moderate dose will get you to a visionary stage and maybe a little bit of merging with the floor or couch (the gravity effect is the beginning of that)
a moderate dose may even include a moment or two of amnesia, as well as several moments of subtle + altered + light visual

the dose effect thing does not mean just one effect for the dose, as the active ingredient is absorbed incrementally until all the effects fade.

a strong dose will have more time in the immaterial stage where you are merged with something in an unreal way. and it will also have several points of amnesia.

a very strong dose may start off fun and rapidly go to amnesia, and 15 minutes later it may be fun for a minute. but really it is a big vacant experience for the most part - so with this material, find your sweet spot and use it in your own way to explore your own mind.


feeling like you resisted achieving what someone else experienced is not realistic - it is not a fault of yours fighting some demon or angel.

 

[iom]

Pardon me, but I'm inclined to believe the "merging with something" is not consistent with an immaterial state of consciousness. Shouldn't "immaterial" mean one is not aware of any *thing* but perhaps is still aware, i.e. not amnesic?

Having said that, by my definition, there is A LOT of room between the V and the I, and I say this upon reflection of my own experiences. Thoughts?

 

[pupnik]

I did not make up the salvia scale, but the sagewisdom.org resources have been deleted making https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Salvia_divinorum/Archive_3 references incomplete, however they do list some attributes of the salvia scale which are not the same as I had read .

For me immaterial is characterized by an altered body consciousness or existence, it is full on synesthesia and many people report merging with the floor or the couch or wall etc. This is a common experience intensity before or after blackout (amnesia) yet it was left out of that wiki article.

Daniel Siebert used to have a strong web presence and the salvia scale is something I got from him - I think it is the best thing he came up with.

Needless to say, before amnesia sets in completely, we reach a state where the laws of the familiar material universe no longer apply, and yet we remain conscious.
This can be called immaterial or it can be labelled as intense synesthesia (or heavy Frame Stacking - a term that I have come up with as a term to describe the overlapping of moments that have not yet faded - which IMO is what happens as we get stoned or emotional or go into trances (lighter frame stacking is seen as trails or color effects)). Some people call the pre-blackout state a break through experience and some even call it ego loss - and it often interferes with recollection of what our name might be to be sure..

 

[Opana313]

Awesome bro! I appreciate your experience and expertise with Salvia and all hallucinogens - thank you for always bringing me back to reality with my damn delusions of grandeur but I can certainly say true.

I have had this 20x for probably 20 years or more..it's almost cashed, but I have had fun with it, and I know that I prefer smaller bowls and honestly never thought I truly broke through, only because friends of mine had outlandish experiences and I definitely know that you can't have an "exact" experience, and even trying to explain any psychedelic experience is like "pouring an ocean into a thimble" - not to mention pre-conceived notions going in and whatever manipulation that may happen.

But I do find similarities between others with many of these substances, akin to all I have researched on DMT, as far as people expressing the similarities sort of like stages; waiting room, lockout, breakthrough.. to the radical plateaus of DXM or how there is a big difference between low dose to an eighth vs 5g or higher for psilocybin.

Sorry for exhausting this thread, I GUESS what I am after most is not really common ground between folks but more so along the lines of the bigger picture-the mystical.

When I first tried Panaeolus Cyanescens - At only 1.7grams I was introduced to a whole new beautiful alien type of thing. When I hear people say as if these brought them closer to the DMT realm and of course Terrance saying mushrooms chemistry being so near, I can't help but wonder.. but the most fascinating aspect to me is this whole mess from true hallucinations to psycohallucinations, blacking out, astral projection, OBE, lucid dreaming or the whole consciousness.

I guess I may have derailed this into a broad range of topics that are very tedius & hard to articulate but I admit pup you really do very well at depicting all of this magical strangeness!

 

[Opana313]

The thing is. After diving into psychedelics again after 20sum years of opioid addiction (in this habit, I never cared to trip again as I thought I had witnessed pretty much all I could in psyches and thought my addiction would bring "bad trips")- the transporting aspect with the mantis entities and other shit brought me diving back in the deep end to try to fix my ill (btw it definitely helped).

Then, after these experiences happened I read a post my first time visiting Nexus where someone candidly explained their psychedelic experience where they just seem to black out or get sent to sleep..then they expressed the imagery that was presented upon waking, of primal or innate like things..that was damn near word for word.

My curiosity continues to boils over.

 

[iom]

I did not make up the salvia scale, but the sagewisdom.org resources have been deleted making https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Salvia_divinorum/Archive_3 references incomplete, however they do list some attributes of the salvia scale which are not the same as I had read .

For me immaterial is characterized by an altered body consciousness or existence, it is full on synesthesia and many people report merging with the floor or the couch or wall etc. This is a common experience intensity before or after blackout (amnesia) yet it was left out of that wiki article.

Thanks. I definitely remember Sage Wisdom but not so much the SALVIA scale. Way back when, I experimented with plain leaf, 6X, and 10X. With plain leaf, I could never get beyond "L", no matter how hard I tried. With 6X, I typically hit states like you describe of merging with objects. Though, I think for me the biggest thing was a sense of rotation, like I was accessing degrees of freedom that were previously unavailable to me which caused me to pivot into alternate versions of reality. These alternate realities also had altered rules of physics and dimensionality. They seemed a bit impossible and Escher-like, but as the effects rapidly wore off, I would simply "rotate" back into my normal reality frame where everything would make sense again.

Only with 10X, I "rotated" through the floor and into a kind of lower-level representation of reality as an array of conveyor belts, each representing a series of happenings to a person, and everything was paused. The progress of time itself had been interrupted, perhaps to allow "us" (I did not feel alone) to inspect it or perhaps by accident, and we had to essentially resume the timelines in order to return to our normal consciousness.

That same night I had the 10X, a friend also had some, and he started acting very weird and basically had an intense dream-like experience in which I (who was "sitting him") was with him. He said we were captured by amazons who literally dragged us to captivity, and he tried to help us escape before coming out of it.

I would say there was a huge difference between what I and my friend experienced on the 6X and what we experienced on the 10X. Because as weird as things were on the 6X (up to and including your description of "immaterial"), we were essentially still in some form of reality consistent with where I came from, but on the 10X, we departed completely.

 

[pupnik]

I recorded this less than an hour ago in the bath using a new pipe that I made out of a steel drinking straw cut in half and bent - I smoked about 400 ug salvinorin A that I had put on a fragment of cigarette paper over 20 years ago. It is my favorite way to smoke it, it burns up in less than a second.
typing became impossible
all solid materials became like cream or syrup
after moments became flattened spaces and stacked.

that pipe gets very hot!!!
I am in the bath sitting sideways with computer on a rolly cart with drawers of toothpaste and hair brushes,
things are sliding asid to support easy folding over stretchng and the webwork is bending and surfqd3w qq43 tstacking

ok the jungle is kaughing

I mam dropping my arms and allowing that

all sugary icing materials

choccolate
mint
cherry

just letting this post