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Long term H users only (the ones who've kept it together

.Lucid. said:
lol this is a ridiculous statement.. H makes some moments of peoples lives totally horrible too. you gotta weigh the good against the bad or just your just in denial.
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Shame you feel the need to be so aggressive mate? I'm sure you understand yin/yang and that it wouldn't need to be stated that both cases must exist.

There were a lot of good answers and open sharing in that last rally and I sincerely thank those of you who managed to supply said WITHOUT the attached pre-judgemental sentiments.
Of corse no one sets out to become an addict (well that's only opinion as who knows everyones thoughts).
Btw I mentioned the festive season because its December not because I'm a hippy (but I've nothing against hippies lol). Oh yeah and I do work/pay for what I get and I do take what I get for pain it's just nice that there is some euphoria attached to that and no for various unexplainable (on this forum anyhow) reasons I cannot manage my particular situation legally.
I opened this thread with honest intentions and certainly never meant to offend anyone so pardon me please if that's been the case.
Just a footnote: Of course I'm new to the drug, why do so many feel the need to state what is bleedin' obvious. I inferred that I find it necessary and helpful to use SMALL amounts and was trying to find help keeping it that way and I gotta say so far opinion appears to be divided so I suspect it's largely up to the individual as to the outcome.

Sorry and thanks Thomas 29 but even 100mg sr morphine sulphate barely had any effect unless it was crushed then used sublingually so I didn't try it again.

Oh and Oxydilly thanks for that, I'm pretty sure you nailed it! Sorry to have caused you any embarrassment re the pm mistake (you should edit it off). For my part I thought you were taking the piss as I couldn't understand what you were saying : )
Hari OM (Sincerely)
edtree

But 'peteypablo' right now when I use my life is 'better' so in what way is that a ridiculous statement?
 
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edtree said:
We all gonna die. That's not the problem. H makes some moments of some peoples lives better. The point of this thread was to see if the ones who have managed that are willing to share.
I'm sick of all the H bashing. It's a good drug imo. (No, actually it's way better than just 'good')
The user brings their baggage to the drug not the other way round.
I suspect the people I sought enquiry with probably aren't on this site at all so could the mods please just shut her down.
Thanks all and with the festive season approaching Love Peace and Happiness to those who could use some <3
Hari Om
edtree
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I agree, I think opiates have been over stigmatized, even in the drug community to a fairly ridiculous level.

I first used heroin about 5 or so years ago (I'm not sure). I've done a pretty large variety of opiates over the years, but I haven't done them regularly enough to give you tips about cycling and such.

I can give a few tips about things though. First off, tolerance is inescapable. Maybe I'm weird, but I've never been an addict and I have a pretty high tolerance. I've never even used for more then 2 or 3 days in a week (maybe 4 once or twice). More recently, I haven't done opiates in about 2 months, and before that I hadn't used since April. But before April I was using a few times per week. Basically, I don't use opiates much but when springtime rolls around and the poppies are blooming then my interest is restored and I often get a pill or dope connection around that time due to restored interest.

With that dosing schedule, I have to take about 80 mg of oxycodone orally to feel good, around 6-8 mg of dilaudid plugged, 120-150 mg of hydrocodone orally, etc. So my tolerance has gone up even though I'm not at all a heavy user.

If you don't want to get addicted or get a super high tolerance, I'd say don't do the opiates that jack your tolerance up, or do them rarely, and do other opiates at most once per week (once or twice per month would be better and would keep your tolerance much lower). If you feel an urge to use more then once a week, take a break for a month. Don't buy more then enough to use for a night each time you buy. I smoke a lot of weed, which I think is part of the reason that I don't feel much of an urge to habitually use other drugs. My only weak spots are amphetamines really in terms of the risk of me binging on them.

Also, I think heroin has done more good in my life then bad. But it hasn't really done me much good or any bad other then being ripped off and scared of cops, which isn't the fault of heroin, it's the fault of drug laws and assholes. But it's important to be careful about your use, and a lot of people really can't do that successfully.
 
Been&Done said:
Same here, spent the last 10 years working my ass off just to be able to pay for my habit!! Yes, what a great feeling to pay so much money every freakin day just to feel normal...How sad! What a statement to make...I'll jump off a cliff since i'll die anyway at the end!

Whoever speaks like this about H, still hasn't been bitten. You sound so naive, and we ALL thought we'll be able to control it and that we are "smart users" at start. Then, you get a slap on the face or maybe more than 1, to wake u up. I hope u mature soon and realize the consequences of your own actions.
Take care and remember that there is nothing cool in being a heroin addict, and simply put: the user becomes the addict...same old story and you're no different. Take care and think before you say/post things like these. Man!
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Most people who try heroin do not get addicted. I personally find benzos and especially stimulants to be much more addictive then heroin. I don't like when people talk like everyone who ever tries heroin, or even most of the people who try heroin, end up as hardcore junkies.

He was saying that heroin, like most other drugs, can be used in moderation in a way that is positive for the user. Not that that's how you use it.

Most of the replies to this thread seem off-topic.
 
OMG where have you been mate, on holidays? LOL
Thanks so much for taking the time to make these replies. I really appreciate it ^_^
So many ppl seemed so hell bent on throwing mud rather than reading into my question that I asked the mod to shut it down. Glad it took them a while to get around to it and maybe we will get some healthy debate!?!
Har Om
edtree

P.s I like that idea about judging my tolerance to a particular substance. I must say how this all got started was through Fentanyl use (and much to my shame abuse) which I developed a high tolerance to almost immediately and was using a 1.2mg patch sub lingually daily for nearly three months then two patches orally for a while after then then 2.1mg's THEN W/D's like you WOULD imagine i am sure. In contrast h doesn't seem to do that. Apart from the longing between doses I'm very happy to stay on a relatively small amount. So yes I will follow your remarkably objective advice psychomimetic. Thanks again : )
 
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Some opiates really raise tolerance like a bitch, and some don't do too much. I was able to get decently high on 40-60 mg of hydrocodone before I got a suboxone contact and started using that (2-4 mg snorted or sublingual) 2 or 3 times per week for a while. When I tried hydrocodone again I did 50 mg and felt almost nothing. I now wish I hadn't done the subs because I don't enjoy them very much, but they were cheap and easily available. I was also doing poppy pod tea, sometimes dilaudid and occasionally heroin at the time.

So from my experience, fentanyl, suboxone and hydromorphone raise tolerance super fast. Hydrocodone (and much of the stuff that's even weaker like codeine), morphine, opium/poppy pod tea (tea>opium), and heroin seem less bad.

One thing I forgot to mention is needle use. I've shot up, but usually when I do opiates I don't shoot them. A large part of that is that I'm usually too lazy to want to acquire a rig and I can't get micron filters at the moment so I'm not really down with shooting pills (I've only shot dilaudid and only a couple times). If you want to avoid addiction, I recommend never picking up the needle. The rush that comes from shooting is much harder to stay away from then other ROAs. Personally, I've never had a problem with it. Mostly I plug opiates unless it has a high enough oral BA or is hard to plug (poppy pod tea).

Another thing that factors into my opiate use is availability. I might have a harder time not using opiates if I lived in the hood in Jersey or something. But as it is, I live in Austin where opiates are mysteriously hard to acquire (whereas weed, psychedelics, meth and crack are literally always around). So I've never really had a great connection for getting regular opiates, except for poppy pods during the spring.

When I used to do meth (which I don't do anymore), I would often tell myself that I wouldn't use for another 2 months. 2 weeks later I'd often tell myself that it must've been at least 2 months since I last used and I'd buy and use again. It's like the drug caused my perception of time to change, or maybe I was just rationalizing what was becoming an addiction (every time I used I'd stay high for 4-6 days). So if you're like me except with opiates, it could help to keep a calender and mark the days that you use on the calender, then when you're considering using again check the calender and make sure a week or month or whatever time guideline you have set is up.

Some people have a higher tendency towards addiction towards certain drugs. If you find that you fiend like crazy every time you use fentanyl, it would be wise to switch to another opiate for most of your use. If you want more opiates for more then a day after using you should take a break though. When I get high on opiates I usually have minor cravings the next day which then go away. If you find yourself frequently craving opiates it's good to take a while off.
 
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Thanks again psychomimetic: Yep that pretty much makes sense plus so far it relates to what I've experienced. Also you were so right earlier about the off-topicness of some of the replies. If those few had just read the header then they would have seen no need to post. I could have read that stuff about h being baddd a gazillion times on BL that's why I headed this thread "those who've managed to keep it together".
Perhaps they are all speeding to fast to read things properly lol.
Like your idea re the calendar too. Finally use an app on my phone for something useful : )
Hari Om
edtree
Unfortunately have to iv could not afford other roa as tend to have to dose double for same effect/relief and as am not a 'hippie' can't afford to keep that up! lmao : )
 
It's a bitch man. Don't ever underestimate the power of your mind. Your subconscious begs you for your next dose while your rational mind knows its not a good idea. Think happy thoughts.

Very occasional use is the only logical answer. Let drugs enhance your life, not define it.
 
good luck cycling heroin. Once a week turns into twice a week then that turns into four times a week and soon you are a daily user but for me in between peroids of using I switch to Xanax and Marijuana. Thats me though. Everyone is different but I consider myself a drug addict and I have a very addictive personality.
 
voodoolounge said:
It's a bitch man. Don't ever underestimate the power of your mind. Your subconscious begs you for your next dose while your rational mind knows its not a good idea. Think happy thoughts.

Very occasional use is the only logical answer. Let drugs enhance your life, not define it.
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"Let drugs enhance your life, not define it"
Beautifully succinct!
Hari Om
edtree
 
Ive used opiates daily for 4 years never iv'd or done heroin tho.

The key is to keep ur dose low and dont splurge no matter what.

ive used the same dose for about 3 years now and although it doesnt rock me like in the old days i still enjoy the high and it keeps me pain and sick free...

ive stayed at or lower than 30mgs of OC daily...

Bupe is ur friend when i can get them i can make an 8mg pill last over a week almost 2 weeks..

u just cant chase for those first time highs cause in the long its not worth it..

and no1 who i dont share opiates with know or have a clue im addicted. ive kept my job throughout this whole time 2 guess im just one of the lucky ones that do have some sort of self control.
 
^^ Good job 187 ^_^. Not sure if it applies to iv heroin tho BUT sure hope so : )
Hari Om
edtree
 
Best advice:
Don't have a strategy.
Don't have a plan.
Don't make it a regular.
The more you work it into your life, the more, and sooner, it will consume you.
Not to say that it will. Just saying, if you're looking for ways to avoid becoming addicted, that says to me you're using frequently enough for it to be of concern. Correct?
 
187coopa said:
Ive used opiates daily for 4 years never iv'd or done heroin tho.

The key is to keep ur dose low and dont splurge no matter what.

ive used the same dose for about 3 years now and although it doesnt rock me like in the old days i still enjoy the high and it keeps me pain and sick free...

ive stayed at or lower than 30mgs of OC daily...

Bupe is ur friend when i can get them i can make an 8mg pill last over a week almost 2 weeks..

u just cant chase for those first time highs cause in the long its not worth it..

and no1 who i dont share opiates with know or have a clue im addicted. ive kept my job throughout this whole time 2 guess im just one of the lucky ones that do have some sort of self control.
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I'd kill to have your discipline.
 
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