Long Term Effects of Steroids

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Hi I'm Frank (my friends call me Frank the fucked up tank).

I'm currently 23 years of age. I did my first cycle of steroids when I was 18 years old. The cycle consisted of D-ball(pill form), Test and Deca. All in small doses about 1cc for 6 weeks. I then started a second cycle 7 months later when I was 19years old. It consisted of Trembelone, Test and D-ball for 5 weeks. My question is during my cycle, I did not take anything to restore my ball sack size.Furthermore, I did not pay attention to my ball sack size and I want to know for this particular cycle that I did when I was 18-19 years old. Did this cycle due any long term or short term damage to my testicles growth wise?
 
mtlknowitall, welcome to the site, i don't know shit about working out but there are plenty of people here that will do a good job of helping you
 
Hi I'm Frank (my friends call me Frank the fucked up tank).

I'm currently 23 years of age. I did my first cycle of steroids when I was 18 years old. The cycle consisted of D-ball(pill form), Test and Deca. All in small doses about 1cc for 6 weeks. I then started a second cycle 7 months later when I was 19years old. It consisted of Trembelone, Test and D-ball for 5 weeks. My question is during my cycle, I did not take anything to restore my ball sack size.Furthermore, I did not pay attention to my ball sack size and I want to know for this particular cycle that I did when I was 18-19 years old. Did this cycle due any long term or short term damage to my testicles growth wise?

Those cycles probably fucked up your Testosterone levels and testes without a doubt.

A 6 week cycle of Test and Deca and no PCT? I guarantee any gains you got in that cycle were from the Dbol, because 6 weeks is not enough to see results from Test or Deca. You fucked up bad. 1cc doses? Milligrams, you got to dose in milligrams.

Your second cycle is the icing on the cake. Tren, Test and Dianabol for 5 weeks? What the fuck?

Bro I wouldn't even call them cycles. Those were fuck ups. Pure and simple. You are lucky you escaped without any gyno but I can only imagine how sloppy and water logged your muscles are.

Do yourself a favor and look into a compound called GnRH (Triptorelin).

Objective

To report a case of hypogonadotropic hypogonadism due to the chronic abuse of anabolic steroids.

Design

Case report.

Setting

Endocrinology unit of the University of Brescia.

Patient

A 34-year-old man.

Intervention

A single dose (100 μg) of triptorelin (triptorelin test).

Main Outcome Measure

Clinical symptoms, androgen normalization, levels of serum testosterone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and luteinizing hormone.
Result(s)

Within 1 month, the patient's serum testosterone was in the normal range, and he reported a return to normal energy and libido.
Case report

A 34-year-old man presented to our department in September 2008 for loss of libido and energy and for mild depression. He was a computer programmer and a nonprofessional bodybuilder with an unremarkable personal medical history. He admitted to having used doping drugs since he was 21 years old. More specifically, he would perform cycles of intramuscular injections of nandrolone (25 mg) and stanazol (25 mg) daily for 8 weeks, followed by mesterolone (50 mg/day) for 15 days. Then he would then take clomiphene citrate (50 mg/day) for 1 week, followed by an injection of human chorionic gonadotropin (2,000 IU) three times in 1 week. He had repeated these cycles from 1995 to 2005. From 2005 to August 2008, to his nandrolone and stanazol cycle he added an intramuscular injection of boldenone (50 mg) daily for 3 weeks. He said he had bought all the drugs on the Internet.

The patient was 175 cm tall and 80 kg, and he appeared very muscular and toned. His blood pressure and pulse rate were normal. Examination of his heart, lungs, and abdomen were likewise unremarkable. The physical examination showed normal secondary sexual characteristics, but the genital examination revealed bilateral testicular atrophy (volume 2.9 mL and weak consistence). Despite his testicular atrophy, the semen analysis revealed a normal count (79 × x106spermatozoa/mlmL) and mild morphology derangements (between 46% and 58%). The blood count and chemistry were normal, but his level of creatine kinase was 454 IU/L (normal range: 20–170 IU/L), alanine aminotransferase 61 IU/L (normal range: 5–50 IU/L), and aspartate aminotransferase 23 IU/L (normal range: 5–50 IU/L).

In February 2009, the patient continued to report loss of libido and great tiredness. A second physical examination was performed. His levels of alanine transferase and creatine kinase were all within the normal range, but the endocrinologic investigations were still abnormal with the exception of sex hormone-binding globulin level. *The patients testosterone measured 0.3 ng/mL - normal range is between 2.0 ng/mL and 12 ng/ML. Because the situation had persisted for months after ASS withdrawal, we administered a single dose (100 μg) of triptorelin (triptorelin test), which showed a normal response (Fig. 1). Ten days after the triptorelin test, the patient reported a great amelioration of energy, and his serum testosterone was 7.0 ng/mL. One month later, his serum testosterone was within the normal range, and he reported a return to normal libido and energy.
 
Those cycles probably fucked up your Testosterone levels and testes without a doubt.

A 6 week cycle of Test and Deca and no PCT? I guarantee any gains you got in that cycle were from the Dbol, because 6 weeks is not enough to see results from Test or Deca. You fucked up bad. 1cc doses? Milligrams, you got to dose in milligrams.

Your second cycle is the icing on the cake. Tren, Test and Dianabol for 5 weeks? What the fuck?

Bro I wouldn't even call them cycles. Those were fuck ups. Pure and simple. You are lucky you escaped without any gyno but I can only imagine how sloppy and water logged your muscles are.

Do yourself a favor and look into a compound called GnRH (Triptorelin).

Guido, thank you for taking the time to reply. These cycles were given too me by an ex Georgian Olympian Wrestler gold medalists who saw potential in me. I agree that the doses were small, but it was done purposely because of my age. I have gotten blood tests done many times, the results revealed my test levels were fine. As for my physique, I'm solid as graphite my friend as the results I got my both cycles were more than amazing. I will research the compound you gave me, who else can I see in terms of professionals/specialists because between me and you I think my doctor needs to take his pension?.
 
Guido, thank you for taking the time to reply. These cycles were given too me by an ex Georgian Olympian Wrestler gold medalists who saw potential in me. I agree that the doses were small, but it was done purposely because of my age. I have gotten blood tests done many times, the results revealed my test levels were fine. As for my physique, I'm solid as graphite my friend as the results I got my both cycles were more than amazing. I will research the compound you gave me, who else can I see in terms of professionals/specialists because between me and you I think my doctor needs to take his pension?.

Really? Well I can understand why he is an ex Georgian Wrestler, he knows shit about steroids and he is a piece of shit for using gear in a sport. The only time steroid use is acceptable is in bodybuilding because EVERYONE is on gear. Those doses were absolute shit and running Deca for 6 weeks is fucking idiocy because it takes about 5 -6 weeks for it to kick in. The only thing that you benefited from was the Dianabol and Trenbolone but attribute most of your gains to training and diet.

Go see another doctor and tell him you think you might be suffering from low testosterone. Tell him it is destroying your relationship with your fiancee. That line always motivates them to help.

If your Testosterone levels are fine though, he isn't going to supply you with anything, and even if he was, you would only be looking at 200mg of Testosterone a week which is not enough for bodybuilding purposes.

Considering everything, maybe you are ready to run a proper cycle. If you got any questions or need information don't hesitate to start a thread or send me a message. I'm always happy to help.
 
Not being a doctor theres no way to determine if you screwed yourself up long term by what you took. If you plan to run steroids in the future here are a few tips I picked up and verified through ten years of steroid use that, according to my last blood tests et al, will enable you to use steroids as safely as possible. Note: This is for persons new to AAS and is a guide of sorts. See tip 2 for explanation of what that means

1. Know what each drug is designed for and what its side effects are. Ex: Dbol is a great way to start off a cycle due to immediate results but is a quick way to screwing up your body due to its high toxicity. Thats why it only usefulness is at the beginning of a cycle and shouldnt be run more than 3-6 weeks depending on the dose. My two cents: Dbol is fantastic for those with excess body weight from long term body building. It should NEVER be used by a newbie nor by anyone who doesnt understand the toxiciy issue and use it accordingly. Figure out what your goal is. Gain as much mass as possible means one cycle, getting ripped up is a completely different cycle. Test is the only steroid to be used regardless of gains but the type of test changes depending on your goal. Test prop to cut, Test E/C to gain. I cant imagine positive results occuring for you until you get educated on what each drug does which leads to the next point.

2. Dont pay any attention to what other ppl say about designing a cycle for you. The dude who suggested this cycle to you really gave you some bad advice. Most advice you get for a cycle from other users is based on their experience wiht steroids based on their goals. I did my first cycle 15 years ago and was disappointed in the results due to my assumption that the guy I got the gear from must know what hes talking about. He didnt know shit. Do tow hours of research on what drugs do in terms of A) Best use such as cutting vs bulking and apply it to your regimen. Theres more info on the intrnet than you can possibly imagine on this topic B) Once you know what each steroid does and you've assessed your goals DESIGN YOUR OWN cycle using that information because C) Using internet boards as a stand alone plan for designing a cycle will be confusing as hell until you know enough about the various steroids out there do and how they apply in your particular situation. Body builders frequently use doses in the multi gram per week size due to their goals. Does that make it safe? Not at all. Does it mean their award winning body come strictly from steroids? Not at all. Theres no reason to risk what they do in terms of gains if they didnt also eat particular foods in particular proportions along with particular non steroid supplements like protein powder etc. If you dont plan on getting up in the middle of the night to eat your 6 oz of chicken and 8 eggs you arent putting enough into it to justify the large amounts of gear. STEROIDS ARE USELESS WITHOUT PROPER NUTRITION and down right stupid if you dont plan to put in all the work. An average Joe will see more gains from proper nutrition, gym time and tech and good sleep than he will simply injecting large quantities of substances into his butt

As an example of what you need to educate yourself on here are a few things to get you started. Again, research, research, research, then design your own cycles. Feel free to ask advice from non biased individuals (such as this board) and not who you get your gear from. I manufactured steroids for close to ten years. I give advice based on what will work for the individual given his starting point and what end state he's seeking. Not all sellers are that way. If all your guy has access to is winstrol, dbol and deca guess what hes gonna suggest to you? Anyway, see below for info you can use as a place to build your knowledge from:

Testosterone: Cypionate and Enathenate are both long chain ester versions that take three weeks or so to start seeing real results with. They are certainly toxic to a certain degree but nowhere near as bad as most orals. Usually come in 250mg/ml doses on average. They are the building blocks of nearly all cyles. Prop is a daily type shot in 100mg/ml and is best suited for cutting though I personally use Test E no matter what as its what works personally for me. If I suggested it to you Id be a knowledgable dude leading you the wrong way. Personal experience is the only way to go here.

Deca: Also long chain ester and running it without test is asking for libido problems. One shot of Deca and your natural test drops to zero...which is why you run test no matter what. Conversely, it is about 5x less toxic than test and less likely to lead to acne, bitch tits etc. than Test which is why cycles are there in the first place. Maximize gains with as little side effects as possible. Aids and cancer patients get this and stay on year round to keep their body weight up and to combat wasting. That should be an indication of how less toxic it is than many other steroids

Winstrol: Toxic. No more than 6 weeks at a time. Teh orals are worst than the injectible as far as toxic nature goes but Im aware swallowing a pill beats daily injections. Useful only for cutting though I prefer masteron since its toxicity is super super low and gives ME the same results. That said,I love winny....just not enough to screw up my liver over.

Lenght of cycle: I never run less than 12 week cycles but thats because Ive researched the topic and know what my limitations are. Doesnt mean I run Dbol 12 weeks. Means I run less toxic steroids for 12 weeks. When I use primobolan and masteron along with test I routinely go 16 weeks since I know the effects its gonna have on my body side effect wise are less than 6 weeks on dbol and yet the gains are better suited for my frame, goal and easier to keep after the cycle.

Lastly, eat eat eat. The most anabolic substance out there wont be be able to do itself justice if you dont get proper nutrition.

Bottom line, do more independent research and ask a non biased source with a huge knowledge base to help you with assessing it. Since I made steroids I had access to any and off of them....but I didnt take but a handful personally due to my own goals and my own knowledge on the risk/reward ratio for each.

Good luck and get some knowledge or you will end up with jacked up kidneys and liver for no good reason. Hope this helped
 
The different esters of Testosterone being used for cutting versus bulking is bullshit. Testosterone is testosterone, the only difference is the ester which determines it's half life in the body. That's a myth that has been disproved.

Injectables, especially Testosterone and it's many esters, are not toxic either unless they are methylated.
 
As far as doctor's go, you want to see an endocrinologist. They are the dr's that specialize in hormones, etc. Primary care dr's are not informed well at all about steroids. An Endo is someone who is actually educated on these types of matters.

And learn up on post cycle therapy (I'd also suggest considering running HCG DURING cycles, some suggest adding in as part of post cycle). And listen to Guido, tons of guys who do steroids get their info from other guys who use steroids who are not EDUCATED on the proper use of steroids and the imortance of post cycle therapy. A friend of mine has no balls because he ran roid after roid, basically just using a different one every month, without taking breaks.. let alone knowing about or running pct. He was huge but he did a bunch of needless damage to his body because he was not properly educated on how to use them.

There is enough mis-information about steroids out there as it is, and most people who use them just go by what some dude at the gym tells them.. who heard what he knows from 'some guy'. There is a ton of accurate and helpful info on the net about steroids, cycles, pct, and all the other important stuff that should be factored in. Educate yourself properly is my advice. Check, double check, tripple check. There is a lot of conflicting info out there too so the more time you spend learning the easier it will be for you to pick up the correct info so you can use them safely and get maximum benefit.
 
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