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Long Taper - Trying To Avoid W/D'S - Need Advice

Hello king!!! Congrats on 21 days. Today is day 12 for me. I had a few very bad days around days8, 9 and 10-didnt know if I would stay clean. I felt soooo bad. I haven't been to the gym ( I'm allergic)-but I have been walking( very fast) every day for the last few days, and it does make me feel better. I don't know hoe you are feeling socially or personally-but for me, the only place it's been bearable is at work. I work a lot and because I'm the boss, I guess I still feel like I have some kind of control. Where everywhere else in my life I have lost it.
Anyway-I'm glad you posted, I was hoping you were still clean. I had some kratom, but it made me throw up, it tasted so bad. So I never used it again. I also took 4 gabapentin a day to help with the wd's-an amazing help for RLS. However, I have heard that even though it is not a narcotic, you can have serious wd's from it, too.
Im looking into a vitamin c infusion ( iv) through a naturalpathic doctor-I know of some that had great results from it. It's runs about $2k for the full treatment-but could be worth it. I'll let you know.
Take care, friend
 
Hey Imtryin,

Congrats man! I know around day 12 is when the psychical part really stated being more bearable. It's good that you're working and keeping occupied like that. I've personally been taking care of business from home. I think I'm going to start getting out and head into work this coming week. I have been pretty anti social, which is ok I guess, I've never been a crazy social person, I tend to avoid people as it is.

You should try incorporating some stretching, push ups, yoga, mediation, and the sauna as much as you can. I've always had chronic back pain, but after exercising for three weeks, my back feels better than it has even while using. Doing leg workouts really help with the pain, didn't realize just how much, but I'm finally getting there.

As far as the Kratom, I threw up twice the first couple times I tried it. I honestly was thinking about getting rid of it but read a tea recipe that made it ok. That got way too time consuming so just mixing it with a bottle of orange juice with heavy pulp pretty much eliminated the taste. I recommend that, but because you're already at day 12, id just do without it. But, if it helps, go for it. Just don't overdue it because it'll only make things worse and can eventually lead to dependence.

Also, be careful with the GABA so you don't build any dependency with that. The less stuff you take the faster your body will heal both physically and mentally.

I've never heard of a Vitamin C infusion, sounds interesting, but I wouldn't spend that money, even if you have it for it. You're better off just loading up on Multi-Vitamins, vitamin C pills or powder, potassium, zinc, magnesium, D vitamins, and B6. Most of those vitamins are on the Thomas Recipe. Eat healthy, eat as much as you can, just make sure you take your vitamins daily and I think eventually your body will be whereby needs to be.

Keep up the good work man. I'm proud of you and I'm super excited for your recovery. It's going to suck, it's been a nightmare for me, but we can definitely do it. If you're having doubts just hop on here and talk to one of us, just stay the course. Do not succumb to the demon opiates. You're stronger than they are.

Best of luck and keep in touch, your two weeks is creeping up!
 
OP, congrats on doing so well & passing the three week mark!!

I know I'd said I'd offer support early in your thread, & I did mean it,- but man, it's been my own battle also!!

You've done so well, keeping up the exercise too!

I don't anticipate ever being free from addiction & pain, but I do feel much more in control now. I think it's those with a "fuck you" attitude who get damn angry at these drugs & their dependence who will wager the war. Eventually..

Anyway, just wanted to drop by & say... Fucking awesome outcome dude!!

Rtp ❤️
 
Hey RTP,

I really appreciate those kind words! Addiction is such a powerful thing and it's so misunderstood by society. Only us addicts truly understand the damage and struggle that it really has on us. You know better than anyone how to beat your addiction.

For years I thought I'd never be able to beat it. Still, even as I approach my one month, I'm not sure if I can continue the fight. But I promise you that it's all mental. You can will yourself past the physical part with a strong mental game.

Just imagine those little pills being a slave owner, after a while the slave is going to give up and just do what the master wants. As a matter of fact the only way of survival is if you do what the master wants. The food, sleep, work, everything is controlled by the master. Are you really going to accept that? Or fight, like the slaves did? Are you not going to seek the freedom you deserve? You have to want it. I know you can do it. Get your freedom man.

I have never felt better, or at least I don't remember feeling this good and I'm still going through some pain. But everyday is another day of rebuilding and reprogramming. Doing all the little things make all the difference in the world. Get in the habit of scheduling activities everyday, may they be reading, jogging, meetings, whatever. Get your brain strong. The physical aspect will get there. I have severe chronic back, knee, you name it I have it pain. The high is not worth it. It really does make it worse. Our natural pain killers are a million times more efficient.

I'm sorry for blabbing and using cliche and lame analogies, but you have to know I'm pulling for you.

I would love to hear your story man.

I'm all ears lets beat it together.
 
Hey king!
you sound really good. Positive, happy, free
im really glad you have made it this far
I 100% agree with you That at some point it is no longer physical. That is is all mental.
Right now, going I to my third week, there are still some physical parts, but with every passing day it becomes more and more a mental issue. The obsession is intense. From what I understand, if you let the obsession win, then compulsion takes over and the cycle begins yet again

i have to be very careful with the obsession , that I keep it In check
im so glad you are still here.
 
Thx KC,

It's not the lame analogies, it's about finding ppl we can be absolutely honest with & sharing what knowledge we possess!!

My story is so long, & scattered all over BL!! An overriding factor though is that I NEED these pills so I can do such a simple activity,- such as walk!!

I'm rushed for time atm, but pls DONT give in, or up!! Amazing what uv done, & yes how true, the game is mental after the first week.

Be strong, be safe, talk soon xx

Rtp
 
Hey Run,

I'll try to search for your story, I'm really interested. I would love to help you in anyway. You were one of the first to comment a few months back and I want to return the favor.

I was where you were RTP. I couldn't move unless I had a few pills. It's not like I was going out and actually getting things done, it was the simple things that killed me, showering, getting up, moving, etc. You already know the feeling. It's shitty man.

I came to grips that quitting cold turkey was impossible for me, and it was, I tried multiple times and only relapsed with a bigger habit. It's a slow battle, but one that has to be waged. A taper isn't for some people, but it can get lower your tolerance a little and make things gradually get easier.

I know you've read and seen it all I'm sure through this forum along with your personal experiences, but man, sometimes you just need a wake up call from the right people. In my case it was this forum, reading the horror stories, and getting encouragement.

Eventually this is going to kill you man, I know right now your brain and body are making that seem like a good thing, but you have to get healthy. You will be in so much less pain, your senses will all come back. I'm my even four weeks in and I feel better. Sure most days are sucky and it's a struggle, but fuck, I never thought I'd make it this far, and know that I'm here I can look back and really see the damage that shit cost me. Not to mention the amount of money I'm saving!



You're stronger than those evil little bastards RTP, you just gotta believe it. "Insert tacky inspirational cliche quote here"


Can't wait to here back.

Later
 
Congrats on getting to your 3rd week imtryin!

I know you're starting to feel better!

Just curious, but what lingering effects are you still having?

My days are hit and miss at this point. Physically, if I don't work out and stretch, I'll be in a lot of pain at night. Sleep is getting harder to come by at night. Which is ok, because its much better than the first couple of weeks. The shits for me are now finally starting to get better, but I feel like im nauseous half the time. The RL are so much better, but I'm not sure if that's do to the vitamins, sauna, or exercise? Maybe all of the above.

The last three days, I've been sneezing uncontrollably and having to using Kleenex at all times. It's ridiculous. I'm not sure if it's the flu or still withdrawals. Still a newbie when it comes to being this clean, it's been years. I don't know what PAWS will feel like, so I don't have much to relate it to.

Hope to hear from you soon.

KC
 
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