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mvhawks1978 said:
YES, YOU HAVE SIMPLE BACK PROBLEMS! EVERYONE HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS AS YOU. BELIEVE ME, YOU HAVE NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU TO WARRANT WHAT YOUR DOC. GIVES YOU. IF THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE WRONG, YOU ENJOY YOUR OPIATES TO MUCH. THAT SICKENS ME THAT I DEFENDED ARE FUCKING COUNTRY FOR FOUR YEARS AND THEN DEFENDING ARE COUNTRY FOR ANOTHER 8 YEARS ON THE US SOIL. I HAVE 10 TIMES MORE PROBLEMS THEN THESE BASTARDS THAT GET SOCIAL SECURITY AND I GET DENIED! GOD, THAT MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH!

YES, ROXI--- YOU ARE THE REASON WHY I HATE HOW ARE GOVERNMENT WORKS. WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A LITTLE PAIN FROM AN INJURED LUMBAR AND SHE SITS HOME AND GETS PAID FROM MY TAXES WHILE GETTING HIGH. GO GET A FRIGGIN JOB! BYE BLUE LIGHT! I CAN'T GET SICK ANYMORE WHEN I READ ALL THIS GARBAGE!
Dude I agree with you. What she is on,Fent and oxys for this and on social security, Is just crazy man, I have way worse than that and am satisfied with norcos and and a small amount of oxy (same dose for 3 years)...
Exercise is the best cure for arthritis, I walk 1 to 2 miles a day and it did me a world of good..And i'm 43yrs old
What she gets is her own devil and she will have to deal with that, but social security,THAT PISSES ME OFF..When people that really need it get denied
I was shocked 3 years ago when my doctor told me I could apply for social security, I said why, I can still function,some days are bad but using the system drives me crazy..
Roxy,
the best thing you could do is get your surgery and start exercicing, and try to get off those meds.. think of this, what are you going to do when you get older and your tolerance is so high that they won't script you anymore..
Then your really fucked.. I'm not trying to bash you, I just feel for people when they skyrocket there tolerance and then your fucked in the future..
My doc will give me anything I want and I have abused but I stick with my same dose per month cause I don't want to be fucked in the future..
So Pease and I hope you get better

Oh ya, and I am an addict, been to rehab twice. I go every 16 years haha
 
RoxiPoppyGirl said:
You're right i had no idea what i started here. I stayed away from this thread after a few people replied and this is my first day back and i only read a few replies. I didn't read the replies on pages 1 and 2.

I didn't mean anything by it. And i don't think of my meds as a SCORE because i have legit pain. I was just asking what other people had gotten from doctors. I should have worded it differently.

My appologies.

RPG
Bloody 280 roxys a month? get real mate.
 
rgpizza said:
A single MRI is not enough paperwork where anybody should be started on oxycodone.

Yes it is. It's sufficient to start on Percocet providing the radiologist concludes there's a clinical correlation. Tons of legit GPs or hospital ERs will give percs for a documented injury.

You were originally bragging about how many meds you get and you just stated you and (your friend's dont go to the clinic too fucked up) so you abuse your meds huh.
What I get is not relevant to the discussion of what certain clinics give people just starting off. I've been talking about the difference between outright pill mills and semi-legit places. Personally I do have extensive records documenting 6 years of working my way up to current medication levels, but I know what's required of new patients.

And yeah I suppose you and all your friends somehow have the same injury and get over 200 oc's a month. Your so full of it.
Abusing medication to get high does not preclude having a legit need for it.

Your parents do not give you 500 cash every months to get the amount of medications that only cancer patient's should get. inless your saying your parent's want you addicted to opaites for the rest of your life. We all know how you get the money to pay for your visit each month. I doubt your parent's even know you go. You are unemplyed because you make your money going to the doctor. You are also constantly contridict yourself. If you really need your meds then i'm sure you wouldn't mind if you got a random pill count each month.

You need to brush up on what the medical boards have to say about chronic pain management. The view that high-dose opiate therapy is only indicated for cancer pain and not chronic non-malignant pain is about a decade behind current policy statements promulgated by pain experts. Undertreatment of pain due to opiophobia is well recognized by mainstream medical societies.

My parents recognize I have a legit need for the meds and assist me with the costs. And how I raise the rest of the money has nothing to do with whether or not I need the medication, what kind of life-style I otherwise lead, my physical appearance, or my knowledge of the issues at hand.

Their is also no clinic that you are going to that has been operating for years, Their is not one clinic that you could get into that has operated for more than a year.

This is simply wrong and demonstrates how little experience you have with the kinds of practices I've been talking out. You fail to understand the difference between classic pill mills and clinics that exist between those and legit clinics. In fact, all that the classic pill mills and gray area places require is an MRI and 2-3 months of prescription history in the form of a pharmacy print out; a few might require copies of the office visit paperwork. I could get into any of those places as I've got a legit MRI and 6 years of legit script histories. There's DOZENS of such places in this state. I could probably name 10 in Tampa/St. Pete alone. Seriously, do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? It sounds like you just go to a completely legit place and have zero experience with other types of practices.

An you obviously can't google. I'll give you one little hint one of the offices that got shut down last week was next to a best buy. However their are two more besides that.

I notice you're still playing games trying to show I can't find them in any way other than proving you have indeed found them. If various combinations of tampa, doctor, arrest, pill mill, clinic, dea, july, and 2008 fail to yield results on regular google and google news, and neither PRN or DEA press releases have anything about it, it means the news can't be found with simple google searches and require more specific query information and/or you're trying to win an argument with baseless ad hominem attacks after realizing this.

Don't worry it's not your's I know where you go I probablly pass you when I drive by it on my way home from work at midnight. Better start looking around. By the end of the summer you may actually need to get a job. You won't be able to hide behind the excuse that you're still in college anymore. Your in college not highschool. Just about everybody in college has at least a part time job inless they get a script.

Obviously you have no clue where I go otherwise you'd be fully aware the doctor I see has been practicing for decades. And my legit paperwork and history ensures that even if my current doctor went down, any of the dozens of other similar clinics in tampa or down in miami would be happy to continue my treatment.

An if you knew anything about prescription requirments you would know that a single MRI is not leaglly enough information to get prescribed oxycodone and that you're clinic as two sets of files. One set that they leave out and one set that they keep hidden away. Oh and since your parent's help you out and you don't need a job I suppose you still live at home.

If you knew anything about the requirements, you'd realize that an MRI with a recommended clinical correlation by the radiologist is sufficient to justify opioid painkillers, and that Percocet is in fact a first line treatment option if the injury is moderate to severe, as anybody who's ever gotten a serious injury can tell you. This is just plain ignorance. Fully legit primary care physicians start people on percs all the time for documented pain.
Now you're saying clinics are keeping two sets of files while before you said what they're doing is flat illegal and they're not engaging in record keeping that satisfies regulatory requirements to cover their asses?
 
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Lighttrailz yeah and Svacheme keeps contridicing himself. In his beginning post he was bragging about how many med's he gets and talks bout how he goes to one of those place's tht have 20 year old's standing in line and doesn't accepy insurance. Only cash. An that his parent's pay for it every month. If tht was true and he was a legit case then why wouldn't he go to a place that take's insurance. . And yes a single MRI can warrant Vic's nd small doses of percs. But nor oxycodone especially not 210 oxycodone. An he talks about how him and his friends go together not too fucked up if you read on. Yeah all of his friends all have pain that warrant 240 oxycodones and all of his friend's nd himslef are unemployed. He can't keep his story straight.
 
rgpizza said:
Lighttrailz yeah and Svacheme keeps contridicing himself. In his beginning post he was bragging about how many med's he gets and talks bout how he goes to one of those place's tht have 20 year old's standing in line and doesn't accepy insurance. Only cash. An that his parent's pay for it every month. If tht was true and he was a legit case then why wouldn't he go to a place that take's insurance. . And yes a single MRI can warrant Vic's nd small doses of percs. But nor oxycodone especially not 210 oxycodone. An he talks about how him and his friends go together not too fucked up if you read on. Yeah all of his friends all have pain that warrant 240 oxycodones and all of his friend's nd himslef are unemployed. He can't keep his story straight.

Go re-read my posts more carefully. Yes, I go to one of those places that has a bunch of 20 year old junkies in line and doesn't except insurance, but I go on to describe that this place differs from a classic pill mill in its paperwork requirements and record keeping practices. It serves the same population and gives out roughly the same doses as the places that get shut down, but takes many extra steps to put up the facade of a legit office as far as the authorities are concerned. That's the entire damn point of everything I said, go practice your reading comprehension skills.

I said my parents assist me with the costs, not pay for the entire script. As far as insurance, the office doesn't take insurance, but that's just the consult fee, all the pharmacies take insurance. But I don't have insurance anymore.

My story is consistent and everything I've said is accurate, but I guess since I don't speak in simple sentences and I write above a first grade level, you just can't comprehend the entire thing.
 
And again Svacheme you don't answer questions you just continue to contridict yourself. I repeat you sid you and your friends go to the doctors office not too fucked up. So you and all your unemployed friends all have injuries that warrant you being on over 200 oxycodone pills a month?
I bet you all share the same MRI.
 
Another thing that doesn't make sense is that your sying your parent's have enough money to support you and support you to the extent that you don't even need a part time job yet they don't have enough money for health insurance that doesn't make any sense either.
 
svacheme3 said:
Go re-read my posts more carefully. Yes, I go to one of those places that has a bunch of 20 year old junkies in line and doesn't except insurance, but I go on to describe that this place differs from a classic pill mill in its paperwork requirements and record keeping practices. It serves the same population and gives out roughly the same doses as the places that get shut down, but takes many extra steps to put up the facade of a legit office as far as the authorities are concerned. That's the entire damn point of everything I said, go practice your reading comprehension skills.

I said my parents assist me with the costs, not pay for the entire script. As far as insurance, the office doesn't take insurance, but that's just the consult fee, all the pharmacies take insurance. But I don't have insurance anymore.

My story is consistent and everything I've said is accurate, but I guess since I don't speak in simple sentences and I write above a first grade level, you just can't comprehend the entire thing.
Looks like if you wrote above first grade level you wouldn't be back peddling now, would ya..
You need to get your stories straight man. Even I can see that. Now you 3+ people understanding your giberish..
Before you say anymore maybe you should get your story straight and then get back with us...
Pease
 
Nope, your are back peddling and beating around the bush. Let me simplify it into individual questions for you since you can't seem to comprehend whole paragraphs.

If you are unemplyed and your parents do not pay all of the cost's how do you pay the rest?

How is it that you and all your poser friend's all have injuries that warrant over 200 oxycodone a month and that you all winded up going to the same doctor?

How is it possible you're parent's can make enough to support you so fully that you do not even need a part time job yet do not make enough to afford health insurance ofr themselves and their children?

In reality you do not have legitimate pain that requires a absurd amount of medication. All you did was go out and get a MRI because your addicted to pain med's and knew where to go.In reality you are using you're script to get high and support yourself. Yor one of you're poser friend's will end up getting busted.
This suck's for people with legitimate pain because these kids who are using pain management to get high and to make money are one of the major reason's opiates use for pain gets such a bad rap.



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rgpizza said:
And again Svacheme you don't answer questions you just continue to contridict yourself. I repeat you sid you and your friends go to the doctors office not too fucked up. So you and all your unemployed friends all have injuries that warrant you being on over 200 oxycodone pills a month?
I bet you all share the same MRI.

And I said abusing meds to get high and have fun doesn't preclude the existence of a legitimate need for the medication. I have a legit need for them AND get high off them sometimes. And that 'sometimes' meaning not being nodding out all the time... taking just enough to not be in withdrawal or pain so we're perceived as normal by observers. This isn't a contradiction I don't understand why you're having so much trouble getting this concept through your head.

It's called tolerance. None of us started off with 80s. But we have injuries that do not go away. Chronic pain. The places we go to will keep increasing the dose over the years because tolerance builds up so the meds are no longer effective, and this is independent of the severity of the injury. That's not how pain management works. There aren't injuries that automatically get you 610mg of oxy a day or whatever, there's just injuries that are severe and permanent which start off at something like 30mg a day with dosages increased over the years just due to increasing tolerance.

If you are unemplyed and your parents do not pay all of the cost's how do you pay the rest?

I think you know how. I never denied it, just asserted your conclusions based on the idea were non-sequiturs stemming from prejudiced stereotyping.

How is it that you and all your poser friend's all have injuries that warrant over 200 oxycodone a month and that you all winded up going to the same doctor?

Like I said, I never denied part of what I do, I do to get high. Also see the paragraph before this. We go to the same place because, for the billionth time, it's one of those places that will give high doses but covers their ass with paperwork requirements and record keeping practices to avoid being shut down. As far as "warranting over 200 oxycodone a month", also for the billionth time, doses are upped to those levels over years because of tolerance, not severity of injury.

How is it possible you're parent's can make enough to support you so fully that you do not even need a part time job yet do not make enough to afford health insurance ofr themselves and their children?
At a certain point you can't be covered by your parents insurance anymore. Since I delayed in getting my own coverage, no place is going to say "ok, we see your medications cost 1500 a month, but we like losing money so we'll give you coverage for 200 a month" or something similar.

In reality you do not have legitimate pain that requires a absurd amount of medication.
Opioid therapy is indicated for chronic non-malignant pain. I have a condition resulting in a fair amount of pain that never goes away. When I first started with pain management, I started out at 3 perc 10/325s per day. My injury doesn't get worse, but it doesn't go away either. So these "absurd" (to non-experts such as yourself) amounts were reached because of tolerance, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

All you did was go out and get a MRI because your addicted to pain med's and knew where to go.In reality you are using you're script to get high and support yourself. Yor one of you're poser friend's will end up getting busted.

Really? See all this time I thought I got addicted to pain meds after my car accident, seeing as how I'd never tried them before that. You're sure going to be helpful to me when I sit down to write my autobiography.

You should also write a book about how people who are really in chronic pain NEVER get high off their meds, and how people's doses have nothing to do with tolerance building up over the years and depend only on the severity of the injury. Even cancer patients don't start out with hundreds of mgs a day, they get increased over time because they're always in pain. Get a clue.
 
I got furniture varnish in my mouth once while huffing it out of a plastic bag, and my teeth were brown for a few days 'till it chipped off...

Fucking disgusting.

One time, I passed out huffing canned air, and woke up drooling, while looking down at the can that was in my lap (sitting upright) and I realized I had been watching the disney channel... While in my head I was actually downstairs talking to someone who wasn't really in my house at all...

Lol.
 
Again that still makes no sense that you and your friend's all go to the same doctor and all have a need for enormus amounts of pain medication and are all unemployed. Is seem's like you must all share the same MRI.
And if you were truely in chronic pain and you're tolerance had gotten higher you would actually need to take your medication. Being able to remain unemployed for such a extended amount of time make's it very clear and proof in itself that you disperse a good amount every month into the world and therefore don't actually have a real need for it.
 
Yuppers, the whole Social Security thing pisses me off too. But I don't think that Roxi girl gets Social Security from being injured. She probably gets social security for being lazy!!! Meaning food stamps and they pay for your medicine through medicare.

Yes, I know how fucked up social security is... I get "denied" after having more problems and more pain then probably 85% of the people on social security. It just depends on what state you are from and who gets your case. I am appealing mine and I will win.

I already get a lump sum every month from the government, but I want more.

I know you said something about upping your dose and you won't be able to up it anymore. Well, I watched a video last night about chronic pain and the professionals actually say that if you have TRUE pain and DON'T ABUSE your pain medications, then you should never have to up your dose, because your body is only using it to clear the opiate receptors from pain, period!

But, I shall go for now...
 
mvhawks1978 said:
Yuppers, the whole Social Security thing pisses me off too. But I don't think that Roxi girl gets Social Security from being injured. She probably gets social security for being lazy!!! Meaning food stamps and they pay for your medicine through medicare.

Yes, I know how fucked up social security is... I get "denied" after having more problems and more pain then probably 85% of the people on social security. It just depends on what state you are from and who gets your case. I am appealing mine and I will win.

I already get a lump sum every month from the government, but I want more.

I know you said something about upping your dose and you won't be able to up it anymore. Well, I watched a video last night about chronic pain and the professionals actually say that if you have TRUE pain and DON'T ABUSE your pain medications, then you should never have to up your dose, because your body is only using it to clear the opiate receptors from pain, period!

But, I shall go for now...


What I meant is that I don't up my dose,I've been on the same dose for 3 years now.. Because I'm afraid of meds not working when I get older for when I need them for severe pain.. I have alot of pain now but its manageble and with exercise I feel alot better
 
MYNAMEISJOEL- I give a fuck when people screw the system in this great country. You have a little back ache and you need to be on hard core narcotics. Give me a friggin break. People today, are a bunch of cry babies. i have anxiety, I need a pill. My finger nail hurts, i need a pill. I have a headache, I need a pill. I really don't care if people want to abuse their bodies and be dead at 45. But with that said, I am sick of my tax money paying for health insurance, medications for people and their monthly benefits. If you are able to work, go get a friggin job and get some health insurance. I have many more problems then probably 85% of people and it just kills me that I can't get social security or any assistance right away. I have to fight these people until they give up.

I am done talking about Roxi chick. She is an addict who is stealing from the federal government, period. She is on pain medications and she also got to brag about her Xanax too. My God, the girl is going to die from all of these drugs.

I will be receiving around $1800 per month from social security and I also receive $2800 from my pension every month. I will probably then end up working part time for that HUGE amount of $800/month that the feds. let you make when disabled. But the good thing about my pension, is that everything for me is TAX FREE because I worked for the government and when you become "injured on duty-(IOD)" you receive your monthly benefit tax free. But I can't stand fighting these people to get them to say YES! That's why this shit kills me inside. You have FAKERS who get everything and people who are really hurt, don't get a damn penny. Oh well, that's life!

MV
 
MVhawk the reason a lot of people don't care if roxi is a addicit is because they don't work and just make money from their script so they arer't paying taxes to support anyone's habit. That's why it bother's us when certain people get so many pill's because we work! An the other thing is these kids in their late teens and early twenties claiming to be in chronic pain obviosly don't need so many pill's! They don't even take half of them. It get's me ticked off as well.
 
rgpizza said:
Svacheme Hey heres one link proof you can't google now find the other two for youself instead of wanting people to do everything for you the rest of you're selfish life. http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jul/18/me-jailed-doctors-office-had-party-atmosphere/

Here's another artical for eeryone that I thought was intresting

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080217/OPINION/802170784/-1/RSS08


That's proof one was shut down, not proof that it can be found with simple non-specific Google queries. I told you what combinations of search terms I initially used, which is proof that I do in fact know how to use google. Not using the exact specific terms you came up with to find the stories does not indicate a lack of knowledge on how to search the internet.


mvhawks1978: What professionals say dose increases are never needed in patients who don't abuse their meds? Because the American Academy of Pain Management and the American Medical Association disagree.

These groups also assert how serious of an issue the undertreatment of pain is. The solution to people not being able to get adequate pain relief is not to force all the people with moderate pain to suffer and then increase availability for those in severe pain. It's ludicrous to claim the only people entitled to effective pain management are those with pain so severe they can't move or are terminally ill, and equally absurd to declare severe pain can't exist in younger people. And this philosophy is more in line with the statements of the professional groups, not the deluded uninformed suppositions of people with no knowledge of the clinical principles of pain management or the basic physiological principles of pain medicine.
 
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