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Little Visuals

Issac Sinclair said:
I don't smoke regularly. I guess I should during these trips? For some strange reason, I got no visuals snorting 2ce but did when I ate it.
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As others have mentioned, the primary effects of psychedelics aren't visual in nature, and what makes these drugs interesting to many people hasn't got much to do with the visuals. Smoking cannabis comes with some risk of addiction and anxiety, and may increase the likelihood of a "bad trip", so I'll never advise that anyone should smoke it if they aren't already going to.

With that said, if your primary goal is to experience visual effects, smoking weed with psychedelics is probably effective and no more dangerous than any other option in this thread, cf. DMT.

MagicalKat777 said:
I don't have a logical explanation for it but maybe there is some sort of sensitization that occurred?
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When I first started tripping I didn't get visuals very easily either. Now I seem to get them as easily as anyone else, even though I don't trip very often anymore.
 
definitely try smoking weed if you want more visuals, however this will definitely make the trip stronger overall. for me, the amount of visuals i get coincide with just the strength of the overall trip. try a good dose of LSD, i would be pretty surprised if you cant get any visuals from 3-4 hits of good L.

i have noticed some people (very rarely), have a natural tolerance to phenethylamines. i think i have slight tolerance--it takes about 1/3 more of a phen for me to get where i want to be compared to most people. however with 2C-B in particular, sometimes people need to up to twice the recommended dosage. this is obviously pretty dangerous because of the 2C's dosage curve. if you can ramp up doses safely to get to where you need to be, 2C-B is incredibly visual, one of my all time favorites.

obviously DMT will you give you plenty of visuals as well. honestly it might have something to do with the product, psychedelics are one of those rare things where they will work on pretty much everyone, regardless of background, psychology, etc, given the right dosage.
 
atara said:
Often visuals are markedly enhanced by consuming marijuana alongside psychedelics. People who use marijuana regularly don't usually realize that it plays a role in the visuals because they're always high.
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that does explain a lot...lmao
 
GreenMachine said:
definitely try smoking weed if you want more visuals, however this will definitely make the trip stronger overall. for me, the amount of visuals i get coincide with just the strength of the overall trip. try a good dose of LSD, i would be pretty surprised if you cant get any visuals from 3-4 hits of good L.

i have noticed some people (very rarely), have a natural tolerance to phenethylamines. i think i have slight tolerance--it takes about 1/3 more of a phen for me to get where i want to be compared to most people. however with 2C-B in particular, sometimes people need to up to twice the recommended dosage. this is obviously pretty dangerous because of the 2C's dosage curve. if you can ramp up doses safely to get to where you need to be, 2C-B is incredibly visual, one of my all time favorites.

obviously DMT will you give you plenty of visuals as well. honestly it might have something to do with the product, psychedelics are one of those rare things where they will work on pretty much everyone, regardless of background, psychology, etc, given the right dosage.
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I too have a natural tolerance to phens, 2c's in particular. Require around twice what others need and still feel underwhelmed until a tryptamine is added into the mix.
 
CaptainKratom said:
I too have a natural tolerance to phens, 2c's in particular. Require around twice what others need and still feel underwhelmed until a tryptamine is added into the mix.
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That's because phenethylamines are mostly boring compounds by themselves with a few exceptions (2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 will give just about any tryptamine a run for its money)
 
MagickalKat777 said:
That's because phenethylamines are mostly boring compounds by themselves with a few exceptions (2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 will give just about any tryptamine a run for its money)
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While I couldn't agree more I still shouldn't require twice the dose to achieve minor effects. 2c-i for example, which is said to be very visual causes only threshold effects at 20mgs, a dose that the average experienced trippers would get more out of. I also require at least 30mgs plugged of 2c-c to achieve half decent but still underwhelming effects. Phens are said to be 2-2.5x stronger rectally so that's anywhere from 60-75mgs oral, again, a dose that many should get more out of. These are all doses with no tolerance btw. Also I'm surprised you say 2c-t-2 is good, I've heard it is rather mild...or is it 2c-t-4 that I'm thinking of? Either way I much prefer tryptamines, they just feel so much more earthy and natural. Phens are good, buy they're better suited for combos IME.
 
Like stated before, some people get more visuals than others. I don't get that many myself. Most reliable have been DOC and LSD (haven't tried DMT yet). Even more effective for visuals was LSD combined with 2C-B.

But I also think it has a lot to do with your state of mind. If you are relaxed and able to let go, the visuals will come out much easier. I once got paranoid when I took a very strong hit of acid at a rave. I decided to go home, and as soon as I closed the door behind me and felt the relief of being back home, the visuals suddenly exploded. Before that point I was just not at ease and the psychedelic effects manifested themselves accordingly (no visuals, just paranoia and weirdness).
 
CaptainKratom said:
While I couldn't agree more I still shouldn't require twice the dose to achieve minor effects. 2c-i for example, which is said to be very visual causes only threshold effects at 20mgs, a dose that the average experienced trippers would get more out of. I also require at least 30mgs plugged of 2c-c to achieve half decent but still underwhelming effects. Phens are said to be 2-2.5x stronger rectally so that's anywhere from 60-75mgs oral, again, a dose that many should get more out of. These are all doses with no tolerance btw. Also I'm surprised you say 2c-t-2 is good, I've heard it is rather mild...or is it 2c-t-4 that I'm thinking of? Either way I much prefer tryptamines, they just feel so much more earthy and natural. Phens are good, buy they're better suited for combos IME.
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I don't know that I agree with the 2.5x assertion for plugged phens. It definitely doesn't apply to all of them. I plugged 2C-D and found around a 1.5x increase over oral, for example.

2C-T-2 is very much like 2C-T-7. I actually thought it was much better than 2C-T-7. Every bit as capable of destroying the ego but felt less toxic (I vomited every time but after that it was smooth sailing for the most part) and was pretty close in visuals and general psychedelia when you got the dose right. 2C-T-4 I never got because I didn't hear good things about so that might be the one you're thinking of.

I have a naturally high phen tolerance too but I wonder sometimes if I had done phens first if it would be the other way around. My first psychedelic besides DXM was AMT and I didn't have a phenethylamine until a good year after I started with tryptamines. It would be interesting to conduct a study to see what drug classes people prefer versus what drugs they did first. Kind of how they say people who did mushrooms first prefer mushrooms while people who did LSD first prefer LSD. I did mushrooms first and I definitely prefer them to LSD although I'm not terribly fond of either of them anymore. AMT is pretty much all I would ever need.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
That's because phenethylamines are mostly boring compounds by themselves with a few exceptions (2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 will give just about any tryptamine a run for its money)
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What do you mean by this? They are not good to you? I liked 2CE, but haven't fucked with anything else.

Ballz_Trippington said:
I did mushrooms for many years before I got to try acid. LSD is still king in my books (though 4-ho-dpt is a really close contender).
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Have you tried mushrooms or 4ACODMT?
 
Issac Sinclair said:
What do you mean by this? They are not good to you? I liked 2CE, but haven't fucked with anything else.
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2C-E, 2C-P, 2C-T-2, and 2C-T-7 are the only phenethylamines I've done that have any real depth to them and beyond that, only 2C-T-2 and 2C-E are worth their bodyload. 2C-C and 2C-D are pretty fantastic as well but are better in combos as they greatly potentiate most things without adding a significant bodyload.

Note that I'm talking about synthetics. Mescaline is a phenethylamine and it ranks in my top 3 drugs of all time.

When it comes to the tryptamine family, the only ones I won't touch again are 4-AcO-DMT (I have a weird anxiogenesis with it), 5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-DALT, 5-MeO-DiPT, and 5-MeO-AMT.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I don't know that I agree with the 2.5x assertion for plugged phens. It definitely doesn't apply to all of them. I plugged 2C-D and found around a 1.5x increase over oral, for example.

2C-T-2 is very much like 2C-T-7. I actually thought it was much better than 2C-T-7. Every bit as capable of destroying the ego but felt less toxic (I vomited every time but after that it was smooth sailing for the most part) and was pretty close in visuals and general psychedelia when you got the dose right. 2C-T-4 I never got because I didn't hear good things about so that might be the one you're thinking of.

I have a naturally high phen tolerance too but I wonder sometimes if I had done phens first if it would be the other way around. My first psychedelic besides DXM was AMT and I didn't have a phenethylamine until a good year after I started with tryptamines. It would be interesting to conduct a study to see what drug classes people prefer versus what drugs they did first. Kind of how they say people who did mushrooms first prefer mushrooms while people who did LSD first prefer LSD. I did mushrooms first and I definitely prefer them to LSD although I'm not terribly fond of either of them anymore. AMT is pretty much all I would ever need.
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Yeah I'm not too sure I believe the rectal BA info either, I have seen that 2-2.5x stronger percentage thrown around quite a bit though but like you said it's not like every phen has the same BA. You bring up a good point, aMT was also my first psychedelic and we seem to share similar experiences with psychedelics. Actually if you consider MDMA or MDA a true psychedelic phen then those two were used far before aMT but I never tripped on either, although MDA was very much trippy, just not quite enough for me to classify it as a full on psychedelic. MDA used IV seems to be full on psychedelic though from the reports I've read, a whole different ball game. To be perfectly honest though, even if my first psychedelic was mushrooms or something else I think I'd still prefer the aMT ;)
 
2cd and/with 4mmc is interesting but TMA 2 is just rather rubbish with almost 0 visuals no depth just a mild warmth... until you add another substance and then fucking look out! 20mg TMA and around 1000-1200 ugs 25c Nbome and for 5 hours all I could see was an endless expanse of spheres superimposed over everything I looked at. I contemplated life, death and basically though "oh no I've fucked up again this could be the killer". Insane open eyed visuals deep and disturbing internal dialogue, fear of dying, massive tachycardia etc. Came good 5 hours later but never again. TMA 2 itslef is ok and lends to say a small dose of say 10 mg aco dmt but that still felt heavy but 2cb was kind of fun with 20 mg TMA2 and 10 mg 2cb.

aMT is great a lovely drug but high doses can be debilitating especially walking, talking without laughing your ass of or losing train of though or just being tangential in course of conversation (others look at you very strangely) another fun fact snow angels on anything feel reallly goood especially random strangers carpets.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
aMT is great a lovely drug but high doses can be debilitating especially walking, talking without laughing your ass of or losing train of though or just being tangential in course of conversation (others look at you very strangely) another fun fact snow angels on anything feel reallly goood especially random strangers carpets.
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I've experienced all of the above.

Including the carpet LMAO!

That's some funny shit!
 
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