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Well guys I've been to a detox/rehab twice in the last two days. Same one both times lol. Both times they said come on both times they couldn't take me. Got their to late first time said I could sit 12 hours n watch tv and see if bed was available well I wasn't doing that. They called said come back today ( had drive hour to get their) just to tell be bed available on Sunday morning. Anyway they do a five day sub taper and depending on what dr say might keep ya 28 days.

Well im at the 29 hour mark with no opiates. The Last time I took oxy was yesterday at 4:47 pm. I feel pretty freaking good well let me rephrase that I'm slightly depressed but find myself laughing sometimes so not bad.(seen in post guy said stand up comedy helps withdrawal it does) I hurt like all over but then again not bad now as bad as when I had flu few weeks ago. And I only dry heaved once. I'm going to keep up hopes this is the worst and I made big deal out of whole thing.i do that a lot. But I'm lil afraid got some fun coming. Thoughts?

So I'm camped out at my moms house in extra room. No cash no credit card no keys get the idea lol. Every time I go bathroom she makes sure that's where I'm going lol witch is cool. Anyway my thoughts are if I make it to Sunday morning with no pills sub or anything(I will) should I even bother goin detox? Would be pointless go do sub when not done anything in few days. Another lady same place said they couldn't do the 28 because had no funding so I doubt that's goin happen. So if I detox here why go their I don't want 5 day vacation lol. But it free and my whole family thinks I should go well my wife n mom. Eh they always been team no wonder I do drugs lol. But I just don't see point if I did go I could just tell me I don't want subs. but why go if I detoxed at home? if you would even call this that. No fun but man not bad yet at all I get bouts of bad depression but pull out like now doing this helps a lot I hurt but not bad bad so idk. Hope this is the worst

so again guys thanks for everything look forward to everyone's thoughts. Maybe since I done a kind of sub taper off n on This month and only been able do oxy half the time this month maybe it helped not be so bad idk.

you guys awesome
 
They should have it all ready to admit you when you were there first time but still, IMO detoxing at home could only work until a certain extent. You need to go to a facility where you can count with doctors, therapy and experiences with group therapies, perhaps AA/NA meetings among other important issues.

Group support, especially if you consider all the emotions you'll be dealing with. It might be necessary to use medications that they are prepared and used to dispense instead of trying to figure out what's best for you. Best to come to your family when you are in another level. The relationships will be much more useful from what I hear it could be just what you need.

If you can get the medical assistance I would say that would work more effectively also because of their ambient. When it's time to come home time to you work on other issues and know who to call, where to go, how to commit. Some experiences maybe be shared with AA/NA - you'll learn the basics.

Having a professional team working around the clock when you detox sounds like the right thing to do. Or perhaps in and out patient experiences, etc.

Wish you good luck!!
 
Erikmen said:
They should have it all ready to admit you when you were there first time but still, IMO detoxing at home could only work until a certain extent. You need to go to a facility where you can count with doctors, therapy and experiences with group therapies, perhaps AA/NA meetings among other important issues.

Group support, especially if you consider all the emotions you'll be dealing with. It might be necessary to use medications that they are prepared and used to dispense instead of trying to figure out what's best for you. Best to come to your family when you are in another level. The relationships will be much more useful from what I hear it could be just what you need.

If you can get the medical assistance I would say that would work more effectively also because of their ambient. When it's time to come home time to you work on other issues and know who to call, where to go, how to commit. Some experiences maybe be shared with AA/NA - you'll learn the basics.

Having a professional team working around the clock when you detox sounds like the right thing to do. Or perhaps in and out patient experiences, etc.

Wish you good luck!!
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This is incredibly true. There are resources that case workers, and counselors can link you with in a detox. Detox doesn't just take seven days as a lot of people think. That is just the point that you will feel just okay. There is more to a detox than just not using. The most important part is coming up with a reasonable plan to stay sober. Basically, like I said, the detox workers can help you get those things in place, be it rehab, outpatient, meetings, or seeing a psychiatrist.

Do not forget how important mental health is in staying sober. At a detox they can help you to figure that all out.
 
It would be ideal to have a competent professional medical team treating you for your detox, but given the sad state of treatment in America this is far from a guaranteed. If you can get the right meds and have at least one person helping you out, a home detox can be far more comfortable than many rehab detoxes.
 
You know my thoughts Opie but i agree with tootpastedog. The detoxs here suck. They just throw you in a room and tell you to sweat it out. i can image is the same most places. Im sure theyre are good detoxs that councel you and get you ready for leaving but i bet their costly. I still think he should go but if its sub detox no way. Hes already went this long and im amazed he doesnt feel worse. 12 hrs after my last dose i was climbing the walls but toothpastedg coud be right. At home could be more comfy. Aint shit that nobodys gonna say or hook him up with in detox gonna mean shit. Remember what i said Opie, putting your foot down. It ultimitly comes down to the addict and what they really wanna do. I had all that spiritual recovery bs shoved down my throat and it never worked cause i wasnt done. Im still teetering on the fence about using but you know im kinda mixed on this one. I told him to chill and if he starts feeling worse go immediatly. Detox is better if youre in acute wd but i hope its a good detox. Im rooting for you Opie and all these guys have been there and care so listen to them and good luck!!

PS: Sorry no paragraphs. Im working on it
 
I can't help but feel the majority of the medical community only treats addicts because they have to, and doesn't believe that it's possible for an addict to get healthy. The level of care I have received as both an addict and as a sober person is night and day, and that makes me so sad. I'm not saying every doctor treats addicts poorly, but in my experience about 75% do. I've had some doctors be openly hostile to me as if they resented having to help me. That being said, in the town I used to live in detoxing at home really was the only option as we had no facilities, and the hospital would only take someone in a life or death emergency. Some people were involuntarily referred to the state mental facility, because but they are not geared toward helping addicts, and from what I've heard the conditions are less than ideal. Detoxing at home is much more comfortable then some of the alternatives. When I came off of benzos and PAWS set in my only option was a mental facility as insurance wouldn't cover any additional rehab outside of the 28 days I had just used, so I hunkered down at my house to ride it out. I know benzo withdrawal isn't the same as opiate withdrawal, but if you can find someone to run support detoxing at home is a valid option. Once you detox, you need a plan for treatment. You need to address the underlying issues that are driving you to use. For me it was OCD, and cognitive behavioral therapy did wonders. My anxiety levels are manageable, and I have learned to tune out or at least tone down the OCD, and because of that, my depression is much better. I will say that after you detox you will have to deal with PAWS, so it will get worse before it gets better, but it does get better.
 
toothpastedog said:
So well said benzo girl! Amen!! Fuck digusts me. . .
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What really pisses me off is that so many in the medical community are alcoholics and addicted to opiates, but for whatever reason that aspect is kept quiet. They rationalize that booze is legal even though it's still a drug and alters judgement not to mention alcoholism is hard to kick. They rationalize he opiate piece away because again, legal pharmaceuticals and they work long hours and hard shifts so somehow the same rules don't apply, even though statistically, 25% of healthcare workers admitted to an opiate addiction, and 80% of those admitted to pilfering pain meds from their patients. More often than not, if they get caught it's handled internally, and they usually don't get sent to treatment or lose their jobs or licenses. In Wilmington NC, we have a huge medical community and so many of them go to NA/AA meetings, but continue to use. We also are number 1 in the country for prescription medication abuse...

I'm going to stop with this because the whole situation is so upsetting to me. I will add that years ago as an alcoholic I sustained a horrible injury to my left arm. The plastic surgeon who came in to repair it took one look at me and literally said I can't believe I have to take time out my evening to work on this. He did the surgery with no anesthetic, and did such a horrible job that I ended up getting a sleeve tattoo (which I hate - mine, not tats in general) to cover up the huge raised scar that now covers my arm. One of these days I hope to have the tattoo removed, and to have someone resolve the scar to make it more manageable. As a sober person, this is one resentment I still continue to work on lol.
 
Well said benzogirl and im sorry you had to go thru that and i wont go on bc its upsetting you. Just wanna say ive been to Wilmington many times so i know about that place. I live in Durham, same problem here. I was treated like shit when i was a drunk but now that im sober and have many medical problems im treated well but they still ask if i go to meetings every appy like thats the bloddy standard. Oh yesh, it is. Now im getting upset. Im out
 
Well everyone.

Im goin detox in morning. The first 40 hours was easyish like weak flu. At about 45th hour I was hurting more and just lost it. Willpower went out window and I was freaking out big time. So like any sane person I went and overdrawed bank account(just got out hole yesterday) . And scored so I fell weak n fucked up big time. Had a safety net keep me from doing it. But I didn't slip out I broke out. So not feeling great about that .i really want stop I've not made it 45 hours once in last 2 years and when it hit me I threw that clean time right out. So yea they goin have me a bed ready in morning and I'm going. I guess I'm goin do the sub taper they use one of my friends done it her habit whey bigger than mine. And she said as long as I do what they say it takes care all the physical withdrawl. So I hope she's right n that works.

Thank you guys a lot for helping me I no I say it a lot but I mean it. I'm goin try get proper fucked today then go tomorrow n never touch this shit again. They said only be five day detox then out patient but I might be able stay 28 day if dr says I need it but idk they told me few dif things. So I'll let you guys no what up in five days or 28 days just see how it goes.

thanks again everyone hope to have good news for ya all soon
 
Fingers crossed that you get 28 days! That's great news you're going to detox! Please don't beat yourself up about using - withdrawal is so very difficult and trying to manage on your own is also difficult. Relapse is a normal part of recovery. You can get sober even if you relapse. I went to rehab in 2010, and shortly after I got out I relapsed. Then I stopped using for a year, and then relapsed again and used for another two years. There was a difference when I was using during those two years, yes I was disgusted and felt like I failed, but I was also actively working on my mental health issues, and still dealing with them. I went back to rehab in 2014, with more knowledge and clarity than the first time. I only went back to rehab because there is literally no way to get away from the stuff where I live, and I had to have some time without it constantly in my face. I have been happily sober ever since. I wish you the best!
 
Yeah, like any chronic disease relapse is kinda expected. It is never justified, but it certain isnt unexpected either. I wish you nothing but the best buddy, keep up the great work! You can fucking do this!
 
Well got bad news and good news for the best I think. I called the place I was going tomorrow to see what time I should show up. They informed me they no longer have a bed available for me tomorrow and to call back Monday and they might have something or if someone don't show up I got an hour to show up n take their place. Well fuck them I don't no but I imagine they gave my bed they said I could have tomorrow to someone with insurance.

Anyway i found another one farther away but hopefully better. I talked to a man their today and told him about them he ask what kind drugs I do ect. He told me they have room and he can get me in Monday . I believe him because he has worked with my mom in past and is her friend. I don't no if they do a sub taper but it's a 30 day program and at the end of 30 days they kind of interview you and if they think you need it you stay another month.

Kind of nervous about being gone a month especially possibly 60 days but I know it's for the best and I'm ready to do whatever it takes.

So hopefully this is it. The guy was pretty cool he said if I don't do any more oxy between now and Monday and I start freaking out again to smoke lots of weed said It would help me stay calm n sleep lol. Seems like he cared said he used to be a addict to. So I think it's a blessing the other place was so shity.

Hope I don't no more bad news I'm tired of telling people I'm going rehab and not going lol . But I think I found right one 30-60 days should help a lot . Thank you all and I'll probably hop on and let u guys no when I'm leaving Monday
 
FatCatOpie said:
Well got bad news and good news for the best I think. I called the place I was going tomorrow to see what time I should show up. They informed me they no longer have a bed available for me tomorrow and to call back Monday and they might have something or if someone don't show up I got an hour to show up n take their place. Well fuck them I don't no but I imagine they gave my bed they said I could have tomorrow to someone with insurance.

Anyway i found another one farther away but hopefully better. I talked to a man their today and told him about them he ask what kind drugs I do ect. He told me they have room and he can get me in Monday . I believe him because he has worked with my mom in past and is her friend. I don't no if they do a sub taper but it's a 30 day program and at the end of 30 days they kind of interview you and if they think you need it you stay another month.

Kind of nervous about being gone a month especially possibly 60 days but I know it's for the best and I'm ready to do whatever it takes.

So hopefully this is it. The guy was pretty cool he said if I don't do any more oxy between now and Monday and I start freaking out again to smoke lots of weed said It would help me stay calm n sleep lol. Seems like he cared said he used to be a addict to. So I think it's a blessing the other place was so shity.

Hope I don't no more bad news I'm tired of telling people I'm going rehab and not going lol . But I think I found right one 30-60 days should help a lot . Thank you all and I'll probably hop on and let u guys no when I'm leaving Monday
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That's great news! Once you get there the time will fly by. It will give a nice break from the stress of regular life - I always enjoyed that aspect of rehab. Good luck! Keep us updated of you have Internet access or give us an update when you get back.
 
I dont care which one it is im just glad your going buddy. I had the same kind of runaround last time i went. Its part of it. Just keep focused on the task and try to relax too. The rigours of the cycle of addictin can be exausting. Do your best annd after your stay and get home thats when the test begins so learn as much as possible. Good luck to you buddy
 
closeau said:
I dont care which one it is im just glad your going buddy. I had the same kind of runaround last time i went. Its part of it. Just keep focused on the task and try to relax too. The rigours of the cycle of addictin can be exausting. Do your best annd after your stay and get home thats when the test begins so learn as much as possible. Good luck to you buddy
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Really fucking good advice mate, I so hope you're doing well Mike. Give me a ring sometime. No pressure though, I totally understand. Trust me, I'm horrible about calling people and reaching out. Regardless of whether I need it or not, I used to be just so unskillful about it all :)
 
I will and left you a PM. I hope things work out for Opie. Sounds like the dude really wants to kick but its hard work as we know. Read my PM and it says it all. We should write a book man, lol. I actually had 2 chaters written but scratched it cause it came off more as a manifesto than an intellegent writing. I used to sit in meetings and daydream about writing a book that could really help people. I rekon thats what Bill Wilson did and his book has helped tons of people, including me for a short time

You know, its funny. Ive read the AA authorized biography of Wilson and the unauthorized written by Susan Cheever. Very different. AA's forgot to mention a lot like he suffered from crippling depression for 17 years straight and asked for a shot of whiskey on his deathbed and when refused he got irrate. Goes without saying. Most oldtimers ive met in there are sad, irritable fellows. I used to think what the hell is this all worth if im just gonna be like that. I dont want to AA bash cause i still have great friends in there. Its my choice not to go. Its not like i went to two meetings and gave up. I went for over 10 years and worked steps a half dozen times the right way. Im just not spiritually inclined even after the steps a spiritual awakening is promised. I must be the devil, lol. But for some alcoholic who is spiritual id give him or her a schedule in a minute.

I was into Rational Recovery for awhile. Its based on rational emotive therapy by Albert Ellis. He was a former drunk and social worker who tried AA but wasnt into spiritual aspect plus not big on crowds. He hooked me right there but its too complicated if youre about to take a drink, hard to employ but i liked it for a long time

I have verbal diahreah so exuse my little rant here. It sure wasnt planned. This is Opies thread so ill keep focus on him. I think a 60 day rehab would get that posion out of his system. I dont know what they teach in there but i hope he comes back refreshed and ready to rock

After my first rehab thats how i was. My rehab was AA based with one NA meeting a week. I didnt have to go bc i was in there strictly for alcohol but i went and they were great. Some guys from town woukd come in and run it. But i came out on fire and lasted maybe 7 months then made a bid desicion and after that i was drunk in a week. So Opie and those like him need to be taught sustainability. Saying keep coming back aint enough. Not for this alcoholic. The fact i want no alcohol is a miracle i must admit. Chalk one up on the big board for the big guy, lol. Im done. Sorry if i offended anyone and look for my message man. Peace
 
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