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little advice would be nice

This is true for sure. Ive found Clonidine helpful last month when i went thru it. But it has to be the right dose i think for opiod withdrawl its .2-.3 twice a day and she gave me .1 in a atch so she hooked me up and it worked. People out there suffering for no reason. I wonder how many addicts would get clean if they knew there was affordable med that eased the wd to almost nothing. Interesting thought.
 
Hey guys thanks for all the response. Well today I made it till about 3:30 before I started freaking out(didn't get up till one lol)so I smoked some kill helped a lil but felt like shit still so I had 1 mg Xanax and fell asleep about 4 till 8 tonight which was nice not been sleeping good for while. When I woke up I wasn't feeling good aches and really depressed even tho Percs are available today they aren't an option so I took 1mg suboxone been three hours ago now I still hurt but it helps tremendously.

So with my ten year of substance use weed,alcohol,and oxycodone the last year n half or more. I know weed not bad but the point is even from young age I've always had to have something to deal and a lot of it I always overdo it. Alcohol for 7ish years was awful and using Percs is how I quit that. I have no insurance and am pretty much at the end financially so with all this in mind what should I do.

1. Try getting sub on my own do a tapper (have tried countless times always go back soon as stop sub longest time on them 12 days)
2. Go to suboxone dr.( no insurance not sure if can pay but might be possible)
3. Get on methodone ( never thought of it till someone on here said it) is it better than sub or cheaper I know nothing about it.
4. Go to a normal dr and tell them everything I do have Legit knee pain but when I tell em everything I know they wouldn't give no opiate which is fine but would be cool if they would do a tapper I've tried but think with dr help I might could but anyway don't see that happening. Is their anything else they could or would do?
5. Go cold turkey(tried a lot always freak out like really freak out then score) this only happened with alcohol and pills but pills fixed the alcohol problem lol.

anyway can someone give me some advice plz what do you think would help the most I'm tired of living like this and I want better for my wife. So thanks look forward to much needed advice
 
closeau said:
This is true for sure. Ive found Clonidine helpful last month when i went thru it. But it has to be the right dose i think for opiod withdrawl its .2-.3 twice a day and she gave me .1 in a atch so she hooked me up and it worked. People out there suffering for no reason. I wonder how many addicts would get clean if they knew there was affordable med that eased the wd to almost nothing. Interesting thought.
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Thanks a lot for helping
Clonidine? Never really heard of that how long did you have to take it, what wd symptoms does it help and how do you get it?
 
FatCatOpie said:
Hey guys thanks for all the response. Well today I made it till about 3:30 before I started freaking out(didn't get up till one lol)so I smoked some kill helped a lil but felt like shit still so I had 1 mg Xanax and fell asleep about 4 till 8 tonight which was nice not been sleeping good for while. When I woke up I wasn't feeling good aches and really depressed even tho Percs are available today they aren't an option so I took 1mg suboxone been three hours ago now I still hurt but it helps tremendously.

So with my ten year of substance use weed,alcohol,and oxycodone the last year n half or more. I know weed not bad but the point is even from young age I've always had to have something to deal and a lot of it I always overdo it. Alcohol for 7ish years was awful and using Percs is how I quit that. I have no insurance and am pretty much at the end financially so with all this in mind what should I do.

1. Try getting sub on my own do a tapper (have tried countless times always go back soon as stop sub longest time on them 12 days)
2. Go to suboxone dr.( no insurance not sure if can pay but might be possible)
3. Get on methodone ( never thought of it till someone on here said it) is it better than sub or cheaper I know nothing about it.
4. Go to a normal dr and tell them everything I do have Legit knee pain but when I tell em everything I know they wouldn't give no opiate which is fine but would be cool if they would do a tapper I've tried but think with dr help I might could but anyway don't see that happening. Is their anything else they could or would do?
5. Go cold turkey(tried a lot always freak out like really freak out then score) this only happened with alcohol and pills but pills fixed the alcohol problem lol.

anyway can someone give me some advice plz what do you think would help the most I'm tired of living like this and I want better for my wife. So thanks look forward to much needed advice
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This is the money post! Clonidine is used to help with the acute withdrawal of opioid dependent persons. Particularly the chills, sweats, and the hot flashes that can occur (basically the feeling that you are stuck in your own skin and want to get out) during early withdrawal.
 
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Thanks dog
for the info on clondine. Does it help with the aches and do dr normally give it. Also if ya don't mind what do you think 1 -5?
 
Most doctors aren't aware of it's usefulness, so whether or not your doctor gives it to you depends entirely on the doctor. As long as you do not have low blood pressure or heart rate or any history of heart and blood pressure related health issues, 0.2mg is the regular dose IMHO.
 
Opie you made my day waking and seeing you back. I knew you would and I'm so proud of you�� I know nothing about clondine but I'm here to talk ANYTIME you need to ok. Rant/vet get pissed off be sad. Whatever feelings you have will pass and I'm here to listen
i knew you had it in you and thank you for making the start of my day so happy:)
the leg pain will go in a few days. The mental pain will lessen too. Just keep doing what your doing and know we care and want to help
dont ever apologize again for slipping up. We're human were wired to f-up I do it all the time. I can't wait til the day(and I know it's coming) that me and you can laugh about the weeks we both spent in hell and how we're stronger for it Opiates get a good dam grip on us and there is no weakness or shame in giving in. There is only shame in giving up completely Don't let those little pills take such a good person from us. They almost took me and I suffered but I'm getting to myself again. And you will too
again I'm so happy to see your post. Message me anytime I'm your personal cheerleader ✌️
 
But are you a cheerleader IRL? :p From our talks it would sure seem like you're doing well, so one last time, keep up the good work yourself girl ;)
 
Clonidine is a blood pressure med that helps the wd. Im not sure how. This was last week. I left my dilaudids down at beach and i was fucked so i messaged my pain dr and she couldnt replace the dilaudid but gave me patches. I just needed one cause their good for a week and my appt was last Friday. She gave me .2mg. You know, you still feel like jumping out of your skin. Nothing can help that. But the jittery feeling and restlessness and massive nervousness were eased SOME. Wd is wd and im a firm believer that nothing teally helps it. But the clonidine did calm me and i wasnt kicking my legs as much. I take immodium anyway for my ostomy so i took a shitload of that. It was tolerable. Im sure if you went to the Dr and was honest they would be more than happy to prescribe you some. Please dont blame me though if it doesnt work. I think it depends on how much opiates youre coming off. Ive read testimonials where they were on med dose of oxy or whatever and clonidine totally saved them from withdrawl but for heavy use i think it only helps but so much. I think it may help you. As far as your options, i think cold turkey is last option but you know its funny, everyone i know eho kicked opiates, including my best friend . went cold turkey. My friend did it in rehab so he had medical supervision and they tried to give him subs and he wouldnt take it. He had years of heroin abuse and he was thinking to the future and he got thru it and that right there keeps him clean today, 6 years later. He said i never wanna feel that way again so cold turkey can be very powerful motivator not to use in future. Methadone helps tons of people and if done right can be effective but you eventually have to come off that and coming off of methadone sucks ass. Suboxone i tried twice. First time was at a clinic and the assesed me and said 36 hrs no opiates then come back in. I was so sick i dont remember going back in but dr checked me and i was in full wd so they gave me 8mg and i waited and 10 min he came back in and gave me another one and my wd kinda melted away. So he wrote me a script and i filled it and it was expensive but i used it then i was out and didnt want anymore cause it was too expensive and wd from the bupe. I think a dr giving you just enough to ease wd then once thats achieved taper back to like 2mg x 2 a day then one so you dont get hooked on the bupe. I wouldnt wish cold turkey on anyone but if you wanna stay clean its the best way. I like the option of going to the Dr and being honest and seeing what they can do. The clonidine may be higher dose for you. I know its hard. We all do. All addictions are life shattering but something about opiate addiction that just rings you dry. I am an opiate addict but i take them for chronic pain. Ive tried several times to get off and just smoke weed but the pain is unbearable. As long as i take my meds correctly theres no problem. Last fall and earlier this year i really let it get out of control. But im back on track and much happier. I go to AA meetings bc im a recovering alcoholic. I would reccomend you check one out. Being around people who have been thru what you been thru is very theraputic. I can tell youre trapped. You wanna kick but dont have the resources. I think its important you talk about it whether it be a friend or us out here. Dont bottle up emotions bc they will explode especially coming off opiates. Keep checking in with us. Youve been doing great at that. Let me know which route you choose. Whatever gets you off opiates will do. Thats a very long answer to say yes, clonidine works to a certain extent, lol. Sorry im so long winded. I just feel passionate when i see someone want to break the cycle. Feel free to ask me anything or pm me anytime. Take care of yourself!!
 
Thank you all so much for helping you guys are awesome.

So yesterday I took the 1mg sub and plan on doing that today at the 24 hour mark. I'm thinking hard about just goin to normal dr tomorrow(closed today). But the junkie in me is like no if you tell truth you'll never get good stuff from any dr ever. You no I had 1 mg Xanax yesterday I've only tried it a hand full of times but always mixed. It actually help me sleep and calmed me down. Happy it helped want more maybe dr help? But at the same time am scared shitless because I've been reading that ( help I, in benzo withdrawal thread) yikes.

Anyway you guys send good vibes my way because I'm fixin go threw the mother of temptation and I'm scared. I only have one day on 1mg of sub under my belt not sure if good or not but I don't want lose it. And start all over.

thanks guys
 
Opie,

I'm coming late to this thread. But thought I'd mention... as I read what you went through yesterday, it about broke my heart. Not the part when you used (honestly, I could feel the relief vicariously). No, the part I cringed at was the hours leading up to that. The fiending, craving, and feeling terrible for it. I'll just echo what others have said: this shit is TOUGH and some slips come with the territory. Try to be kind to yourself.

We're all rooting for you.
Peace,
Sim
 
Hey Opie. Actually benzos can be very helpful for wd. If you go to a Dr and tell him youre withdrawing from opiates they may write you some. Just take as prescribed. Im not a dr or benzo expert but it takes a long time of use to get withdrawl but i could be wrong.

Tootpastedog was exactly right and it did do all that for me. That awful bone aching feeling was relieved and thr cold sweats and all that mess it relived....some. Benzos will help with the massive anxiety and shakes. So really, you have one more sub then its on so if you cant go to Dr go to an ER. They should be able to help and prescribe you those 2 meds. Ive done it and it worked.

Im pulling for you hard. Like i said before, anytime i see someone who wans to kick i want to try to help. Youre a brave person and ultimatly it will get better. If my buddy can kick heroin anybody can. Youll have a new outlook on life. Its just a shame opiates have to be so cruel and make wd so hard. I dont even know you but i believe in you bc you have the desire to stop opiates. Nobody can take that from you.

Lastly like ive said before you will get no judgement out here. If you try and dont make it, its cool. Try again till you get it. Ive seen people do it so i know its possible. Stay strong and call every dr in book if you dont already have one or go to ER and youll be fine. That sub only gonna do so much, ya know? Keep checking in, ok?
 
Thanks closeau

your words help more than you know. Today I took my 1mg about six or so hours before the 24 hour mark felt lil bad about it but cravings where kicking in hard. And turns out was a good thing because not long after had small temptation dro's I've done em in tight spots but hate em( not even hint of buzz) so I was able to withstand that today. I'm worried about big temptation coming up soonish but you guys help keep me strong. And yes if things go as planned I will go dr tomorrow or would it be better get down .5 mg of sub for few days would that make wd less severe or should I go dr tomorrow n stop now

All of you are awesome so happy I decided get back on BL thanks so much
 
So cool FatCatOpie! Keep up the great work!

closeau said:
You know, you still feel like jumping out of your skin. Nothing can help that. But the jittery feeling and restlessness and massive nervousness were eased SOME. Wd is wd and im a firm believer that nothing teally helps it.
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Yeah, with proper medical care, you would have been prescribed something like buprenorphine or methadone to ease your symptoms as they are so acute. But no, we don't live in such an enlightened society.
 
Sweetyjane77 said:
You did not waste my time at all:) you will try again and you will get over this someday. I wish you nothing but peace of mind and happiness. You will get sick again when you run out and eventually you'll get sick of being sick. I just hope it don't take too much from you before you do it. It's fucking hell I found more so mental then physical (hell still). I'm at a week and today was so awesome. I'm starting to feel like myself before years of numbing with drugs I thought I was going to crack a few times but I was sick of being sick when not taking oxy so I pushed through. You want to so you will?
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Congrats on your week, I'm sure you're feeling much better. And your genuine care is clear even while in withdrawals. Great on you, bless you.

My mother gets 150 10/325 every month, its sad.....She has become a slave and changed so much.
 
Good morning Opie. I have to say that benzos will help in the short term, but I would not take them after you are through the worst of it.

Xanax was incredibly helpful in me being able to taper down my heroin dose. I did fifteen to twenty bags a day to stave off withdrawals, and with the help of xanax I was able to get down to one bag a day and stop before I went into rehab.

Have you considered going to a detox center? They will help make you comfortable. Just make sure you piss dirty for benzos before you go in so that a benzo taper will be part of your protocol.

Clonodine is also a godsend. It will help with the RLS, the anxiety, and for me it actually helped me sleep. If you end up going to a doctor I would print out "The Thomas Recipe". It is a list of medications and supplements that will minimize your withdrawals. Two of the meds, clonidine and benzos, are prescription only. Hopefully you have an enlightened compassionate doctor, because there are quite a few doctors that have the belief that since you chose to use to the point of face melting withdrawals that you should have to deal with the negative consequences, rather than trying to ease your pain.

I also cannot stress enough that if you have a slip up don't feel you let anyone down. Shame is horrible in early recovery and will turn lapses into relapses then into active use again. The fact that you are trying, and are honest about using is showing me the wealth and strength of character you possess. Keep trying! It took me four years of trying different things to find out what worked for me.

Feel free to PM if you need any help.
 
Manboychef just said it, benzos and clonidine will def help but are prescription. I hope your going to the dr today cause those subs gonna run out. Theres a whole slew of otc stuff that helps some people. Vitamens are a goid idea. Multivitiamen and b-complex would keep your body nourished cause you wont feel like eating. I fing epherdrine helped the constant urination but dont take too much cause its like speed. My adderall helped a bit but you dont have that and it doesnt help enough to pay for street prives

Yes, Clonidine does help with the aches and all that wonderful stuff. But it dulls all these things. It hardly relieves them. I would def focus on clonidine and if the dr is smart hell know the dosage for acute withdrawl is .2mg twice a day. I had a patch that lasts 7 days. If you dont have insurance Clinidine can be pricey. Mine was 2 patches of .2mg and i paid 17$ but the out of pocket was like 80. Hot steamy showers will relax your mucsles. I will say again and i hate to bc i wanna be an uplifting friend to you but clonidine and all this other stuff only helps a little bit. Youre still gonna feel like your skeleton is gonna jump out of your body and restlesness was a big one for me. Id change positions every 10 sec and my comfy chair felt like a rock

I dont mean to scare you but someone told me a while ago that nothing helps acute opiate withdrawl. Its something you must bear to get to freedom. Trust me, when it begins youll want to use or sub or methadone or something. I would go with sub if you have to so find a sub clinic near you cause if you go in already in full withdrawl they can give you some there. Youre taking it now so youre ok but just keep in mind you have to wait after your last opiate. I knew a guy who came off heroin and after 11 hrs of withdrawl he took his 8mg and it put him into something withdrawl. I cant remember the name but its like super withdrawl. He ended up in ER and said it was the worst feeling he ever had. But youre taking small doses. Same goes the other way. Dont use sub then an hr or two later an opiate or it will cause withdrawl. I havent mentioned Methadone cause i hate it but if you can afford whatever they charge for mateneince program it might be worth it

Also, dont forget about the immodium. A lot of people are down on it but it really did ease the symptoms a bit. You gotta take like 10-15 pills though. I know, harm reduction but ive done it a bunch and it doesnt constipate you anymore and 2-3. People said theve buzzed off it but thats shit. Its in opiate family but does not reach your pain receptors but since it is a form of opiate, helps some with wd

I really hope you keep us posted or with any questions. Youre acting the key of life, ask questions. We will all answer them best we can. So many people on this site have helped me its only right i help others. How many subs do you have left? When was your last Oxy? Ill be thinking of you today. Check in at some point. Good luck
 
manboychef said:
I also cannot stress enough that if you have a slip up don't feel you let anyone down. Shame is horrible in early recovery and will turn lapses into relapses then into active use again. The fact that you are trying, and are honest about using is showing me the wealth and strength of character you possess. Keep trying! It took me four years of trying different things to find out what worked for me.
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This. :)
 
I dont know how to put quotes above my post but i wanted to agree with msnboychef in toothpastedogs post above me. Do not let a failed attempt get you down too much. All of us will tell you that. Its freaking hard, the hardest to kick and substance. I remember the failures i hsd with booze. One slip after another till the temptation left me. Opiates are hard man. Im not sure where im at with those. Just being honest. I know no abuse has happened in awhile. But yeah, dont get down on yourself. Just try again:)
 
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