Life was better when I was a kid

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After work today, I had a thought that I've finally clawed my way out of the deeper parts of depression. It took seven years, but I'm at a point where I can usually tolerate, and often even enjoy, life. I owe a lot of it to psychedelics, though perhaps I could have reached the same place, eventually, without them.

A little later, I thought: life still isn't what it used to be.

I'm constantly gripped by nostalgia. Like, constantly. I know almost everyone over-idealises their past. But I really do seem to recall a time when my frame of mind was just naturally better. Trying to access the past was a big part of the reason why I started using drugs.

I was lighter. I felt safe in the world, and at home. I was confident, there was a place I belonged. Colours and sensations and experiences in general interested me. I wouldn't have said it at the time, because I had nothing to compare it to, but life was a wonder. Not without its tedium and low points. But still brilliant. A brighter, easier world, a cheerfully optimistic disposition that I didn't have to strive for, every second, by telling myself to "think positively".

These days, there's a heaviness in its place. Almost like a leaden blanket wrapped around my head. Pleasures are muted. Emotions, well they're stronger than they were two years ago - which is to say I can feel anything at all these days - but I still have to work to feel them. Things just aren't as mesmerising as they used to be. I could put it down to a boring job and adult pressures, but then, what about all the adult freedoms I used to dream of, the many, many things I could never do or even think when I was younger?

Am I unhappy because I'm no longer a child?

And then, is there any way to get back to that frame of mind? I've tried with LSD and mescaline. From time to time I've wandered around shopping centres, or neighbourhoods where I grew up, trying to recapture that feeling of youth and a fresh outlook on the world. I can't seem to find it... all I can remember is that things used to feel right, and now they feel wrong. I can think of a thousand reasons why that would be, but I still can't seem to change them, I can't seem to fucking change anything!

I've been lucky. There are people on this board who never even had that rarest of things in the world, a decent childhood. There are people now who are in the same place I've been in too many times, on the verge of just taking their own lives. My problems are not that bad anymore. But I've still lost the spark. If not for psychedelics, I probably wouldn't even remember what it was like to ever have it. All the same, I can't seem to find it, I still only feel three quarters alive. Some days, most days, I think that if I could undo the last fifteen years of my life, forget that any of it ever happened, I would. I would do that without a second thought or a glance back. That's not normal. What's wrong with me? What the hell can I do?
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with you. I'm 25 and I feel the same way about my childhood.. it was awesome until teenage years began. Perhaps that is something to do with it.. the introduction of sexuality? Once you open that jar it is forever open and you can never go back to your previous mindstate free from the constant prod of "have sex now". Maybe it's not this but that is one thought i've had when considering my nostalgia for my early childhood.

The other thought i've had, one which I had again recently when smoking a small amount of cannabis after taking a year break, is that the state you remember, the one of wonder, is still there.. it has just been cloaked by human bullshit over the years and drowned out. I had a small glimpse of it when i had that smoke, i could hold my head high and was not plagued by my usual worries and anxiety. Then a fucking police helicopter started circling overhead, I got paranoid, and the feeling left me haha :D

I think this picture is apt for this thread
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That was a really good post, and a really good picture.

I think you're right about some kind of 'real self' being buried under clutter. I had that experience rather powerfully on my last LSD trip. It was like being snapped back to who I really was. All the layers went away and I thought, "Hang on. I'm not x and y and z. I'm me. I'm fucking me, and I have been all along!" It was like awakening from a coma, or a fierce nightmare, to find myself alive in this room, still holding on, stronger and enduring but still the same essential person as I was ten, twenty years ago. Sadly, that sense has faded somewhat since the trip.

Sexuality probably has something to do with it, out-of-control hormonal fluctuations and such. Another thing I realised on this trip was, simply, I need a girlfriend. I need someone I can spend my life with and love. Life has been lonely since maturing, moving away from my family, and seeing them in the light of grown eyes. Life was certainly less complicated when sexuality was a mere pleasant curiosity, not something that insists upon itself every damn day.

And with that, and with all the clutter, it's difficult to focus. I suspect this lack of focus is what keeps me from enjoying the sensory wonder of life the way I could as a kid. It creates a bilayer through which the world is dulled. Back then, everything had such character. Do you remember how awesome marbles were to look at? Why the fuck would I trade that for a desk job, with plain wallpaper and officious language and protocol and compliance and deadlines? It's torture and it's insanity, and the worst part is it enters and rapes the mind.

Is there a way back to that state of mind? Perhaps if I could remove the clutter - but then, everything I've written here is clutter. I feel the most centred when I'm writing stories, like there's nothing else in the world to concentrate on and it has almost all of my attention in the moment. Still, there isn't much time to do that anymore. It's so frustrating. Fuck.
 
Childhood is a state of innocence. Ignorance is bliss, and is also somewhat protective. The trade off is that, as an adult, you get to experience the world as an individual that knows himself better, without necessarily needing to be cared for by another person.

I would personally rather be an adult. At least I have the capacity to change my life if I'm not happy with it.
 
One of the things that makes childhood so vibrant is the sense of adventure and exploration. Experiences are always new. Even going to school everyday is different--grade levels change, teachers and students change, your own mind and body are always changing. The truth is that this remains true--no day is ever the same--but we lose sight of that. SS, your post is so right on! One of the things I most loved about being a mom when my kids were little was being drawn back into that reality with them. They are observers, little scientists that observe everything with a sense of wonder and exploration. They are little artists that create without fear of judgement, again with the sense of pure exploration. Having them, I got to do it again and this time I realized that it was a choice. Sure, you don't get to be there every minute of your adult life; you have responsibilities and obligations (hopefully of your choosing) but for the most part you are free to greet the day the same way that you did at age 5--with a sense of joyful anticipation. Expecting life to do nothing but surprise you goes hand in hand with pushing your own comfort boundaries and surprising yourself.

My kids are grown now but I work with little kids every day and it is a good way to keep in touch with that part of yourself. We pile so much garbage in our brains, or at least passively consent to having it piled there, that it takes some hard work at first to learn how to empty it all out. The reward for being in the present, in your body, feeling what is all around you at any given moment, is the gift of feeling 5 again.
 
the real reason childhood for most is so great is because you are sheltered from the bad or evil of the world that is more prevalent than the good but for some people childhood is shit because they see the evil everyday and being grown is better because at least they can feel like they're doing something about it
 
Yup I wish I was like u wanting to go back to my childhood. I'd rather be born into another family. It sucked getting beat all night but the good side was not going to school the next day but bad side was had to stay in bad and shut the fuck up.
 
Sepr1, having an abusive childhood is having been robbed of your childhood. I am really sorry to hear that you had that experience. Nothing can compare to a child having to fear the very adults that brought them into the world and are supposed to protect them. I hope that you find love in abundance from here on out--you deserve it. <3
 
I tend to view my past, at least more-distant parts of it before my addiction, as a lot better than they actually were at the time. I think I'm quicker to forget about anxiety, stress, depression and other negative psychological conditions present at times in my past and only really see the best times, adventures and rewarding experiences in my memory.

I guess this isn't that different from how we have a tendency to only remember the rushes and good times from drugs, and not all of the negatives, and this is why we're tempted to go back so many times.
 
Childhood is a state of innocence. Ignorance is bliss, and is also somewhat protective.

This is why i love the dark side i can connect with soo many of the posts i read. This is my exact situation. sometimes i think of the past and get this warm weird fuzzy tingly feeling in my stomach that kind of hurts and is uncomfortable when thinking of my past. I long to be a kid again most likely in 5 grade or so when you didn't carry the burden of the problems of the world. When your a child like the quote above your innocent. Your carefree and the only priority you have is to behave and get decent grades. High School was and is the hardest for me. Im a senior now and am just coming to terms with becoming an adult. once your an adult you have a massive load of responsibilities. between bills, job, car payments, work, children if you have any, keeping the spouse happy, and keeping your self happy things can seem so difficult and rough. But like i always say if you live in the past you wont progress in the future only delaying your happiness. Once successful in your present time and ensuring a nice future then maybe the feeling your experiencing will fade away. Just as with drugs you take the drug one night forget about the problems.. wake up the next morning and your problem is still there and not one bit has been solved. and as with most drugs you also feel like shit if hungover or burnt out.

being an adult is about facing problems and responsibilities. funny i actually came up with a new saying today in another thread. im sure ill be using it often. the saying is be strong, carry on, and face problems head on
I hope this thread helped at least one person.
 
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this thread has helped me alot , recently i just cant stop thinking about how good things used to be , even a year ago everything felt like it was way better , but espeically 3 years ago , and my childhood . I cant stop thinking about how stupidly and ignorantly i fucked up my life when everything was handed to me , literally everything until i hit teenage years . I just turned my back on the last 13 years of perfection , love and care and spat It in my families face .

This thread has helped me realise i need to move the fuck on , because its not gonna get any better moping about it . im just starting to get things on track and
Ive never been so depressed in my life , but i know what i need to do and being such a sob about it is clouding my thoughts .
 
I never take my rose-tinted spectacles off!

I always want to wake up every morning and be 16 again...... =D
 
This really resonates with me.

Only I feel for my teenage years, not early childhood.

I remember having my first girlfriend, back when I was in high school.

It was a pretty bad relationship on the whole, but my memories of it are so...

... God, how could I describe them.

They've almost become like a movie or something.

Reflecting on the period is like pushing a button that makes me feel.

As an adult, I've lost much of my ability to feel for other people. So much of my psychological equipment is used for planning and task completion these days, I guess there's just not much room left for feeling any selfless emotions.

But I can get some of it back when I think about those years.

Lately I've been thinking about doing online dating to get into a new relationship, but somehow, I doubt it'll ever be like that first one. It just can't have any spontaneity or innocence under deliberately manufactured circumstances.

Another thing is...

I've been in a few short term relationships since high school, and even though I liked some of the girls I was with, I just felt like the whole dating thing was less magical when there were no "firsts" to go through.

Okay, so, I've gone off on a tangent, but to tie it in with what I had been intending to talk about, yeah, as I've gotten older, my ability to feel "selfless" emotions has definitely weakened, and consequently the world seems like a somewhat greyer place.

I'm not unrealistic about it though.

Like I also know that pain hurt a lot worse back then, too.

It's a tradeoff, and I think my life is better now all around.
 
I cant remember my teenage years, from 13-16 is just not there.
I wish i wasn't here.
Fuck the past i want to be dead.
 
Childhood is wondrous because you evolved to be that way - as a child. Unfortunately, it's not very beneficial, all said, when you are an adult. Being an adult means dealing with things that seriously erode that sense of wonder. Even if they DIDN'T erode this perception, you couldn't function as well, in many ways, if your brain didn't at least tone it down a lot. Of course, I'm talking in general about premodern humans, modern humans could afford to maintain this feeling, at least some of us. Unfortunately, we really didn't evolve to be modern, so I guess until we create societies that purposefully preserve this state through some means, we're stuck with "caveman" brains in a world that's since outgrown them. Blame this nostalgic state, and the associated loss of the child-state, almost entirely, on brain structure and function, including mood regions/chemicals, and how they change as a human matures.

As a child, you NEED to be constantly motivated to learn ALL about the world around you, through experience and interaction with others. It's how you cram so much crap into your head so fast. Our brains have, thus, evolved to manage this epic feat quite well. They do it by giving you the perceptions you remember so fondly. Eventually, as adolescence continues, this starts to wane, especially if you don't try to keep learning and experiencing. It may be almost entirely forgotten when the brain finally reaches maturity, at ~25 years of age. You become a creature of habit, better suited to promoting ones' genes in the next generation, better suited to routines, set patterns, and stereotyped behaviours. It worked great for millions of years, this general pattern, not just in us but in all primates (or, indeed, most if not all complex animals).

The human mind's intellectual/creative capabilities are achieved in great deal through an exaggeration and extension-towards-adulthood of the primate child mind-state. We are still children, structurally and chemically, compared to the brains of our closest relatives among the other apes. Alas, we are still not the children we used to be, only the patterns, thoughts, and imaginations that child formed for you.

Quite simply, you aren't really learning how to live anymore. That's what the first 15-20 years of your development were for. Now do your duty to your DNA, and to succeeding generations - at least, that's what your body/brain is "thinking". Learning/experiencing the novel, the enticing, the numinous, this is the source of true bliss. Unfortunately, your brain tries to degrade your ability to feel these things as strongly once you are expected (based on our evolutionary history) to be a high-functioning adult capable of procuring food, managing social tension, dealing with social alliances, managing child care, procuring a mate, and generally doing all the grunt-work that comes from being mature. Your brain/DNA doesn't want you to feel as good as a child can, it doesn't want you getting sidetracked all the time with wonder, amazement, and awe. Not good when you've still gotta perform the deeds that make adult humans good at raising more adult humans. Unfortunate, but the universe doesn't care how it affects you, this is how you evolved; it's what you are.

Still, we are lucky. I would regard the whole human experiment in spirituality, art, literature, drugs, meditation, music, etc. as means to keep the child alive within. Purely as a means to return to the euphoria of youth by creating NEW worlds, ones you HAVEN'T been experiencing for twenty-odd years at least.
 
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Still, I seem to be able to do nothing but long for the old. All the new experiences are tainted by a grinding in my head. Even drugs, though sometimes they're almost as good as childhood was. But I can't go around tripping acid every day of my life, tempting as it often is. Hell, I woke up this morning to what feels like a hangover, just because I got 7 hours' sleep instead of 9, and I wanted to take a very small dose of magic mushrooms before I went to work. Not because it's particularly smart, but because there has to be fucking SOMETHING I can do to get away from this constant depression.

Ever since I started using psychedelics, everything in the world has been shockingly beautiful. Except office space. There's absolutely nothing to find in that purgatory that inspires any kind of awe, unless you count awe at how any creature would create something so soul-crushingly boring. But all the beauty in the world doesn't mean that much when there's this itching layer of unease and dissatisfaction buried deep down in my brain somewhere. Partly I have a sense of needing to share it with someone who really understands. I think that would help.

The thing with adults is, most of them get satisfaction out of the lives they lead. Build a business, have a family, or live an ordered bureaucratic life, or get drunk, watch football, fuck fuck fuck. I don't seem to find fulfilment in any of the things that keep other people happy.

There are some songs I listen to from when I was nine or so that remind me of the state I wish to return to. It's almost psychedelic in its magic, but even psychedlia never comes close to that feeling of trust that your world is safe, the people close to you are genuine, and death is such a long way away. And as a final note, I want to tear the hearts out of the multitudes of fuckwits who ever take that away from children. Power is what makes this world hell.
 
Holy shit dude, it's so comforting reading your recounts. I know all too well how you feel; all that you mention resonates with me.

The nostalgia, the emotions (or lack thereof), the hollowness of the world/the emptiness of accomplishment, the inability to connect with all others that live seemingly unquestioned lives

My laptop battery is almost dead, so I have not the time to construct a long-ass response, but let me say that you are not alone.

If you care to converse further about this (or anything, for that matter), you should send me a PM. It'd be quite interesting to recount the experiences of someone else that has lived a life like I have.

Otherwise, I'll log on later when I can get to my charger and post a more detailed story of my own personal experience(s).
 
And for all of you posting, saying that you know how this feels, I'd very much suggest delving into the music of Mr. Elliott (steven paul) Smith; assuming you've never heard of him.

Many of his songs are comments on the emptiness of life, the pain of living and loving, observations on the world and the people in it, and of course, sweet sweet drug-talk

A lot of his stuff has an existentialist tone to it: Realizing that though there may be no greater meaning, and though it may be pointless, we need to find something that we can believe in (that makes us feel alive) and pursue it with all our will. Because 'though it might not be really living, anything is better than nothing'

This tune is from New Moon. I take it as an observation of having kicked heroin, only to be confronted with the vast emptiness that is the rest of your life, and the depression that comes with knowing that you will have to live each and every day with the perfection that comes at the end of a point lies outside your grasp. The melancholy that accompanies trudging on in pursuit of the 'second-best' thing in life. Meanwhile having to deal with the rest of the world that looks at you as some useless old junkie that will never understand the wonder (and pain) that once consumed you (i look up and smile, a picture of dissatisfaction; that he can only see as a junkie)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfbP7pR-m_c

Here come the sidewalk boss again
Telling me how I can't cave in
That I'm a study in black
Need a pat on the back
I looked up and smile
A picture of dissatisfaction
That he can only see as a junkie
Though I might be straight as an arrow
He's busy shaking hands with my monkey
Busy shaking hands with my monkey

Well I go in the car
Straight to the bar
Where my sweetie pours the beer
For the millions of fans ignoring the bands
He's in my ear
Wants me to live in denial
Says you've gotta settle for something
Though it might not be really living
Anything is better than nothing
Anything is better than nothing

No actor action man gonna move in to take my place
I'll be pumping out the product
Just a total waste

Look at your hands unoccupied
Look at the lengths you'll go to hide
You're under the veil
Pretending to fail
Gotta whole lot of empty time left to go
Now you've gotta fill it with something
I know what you can do don't you know
Anything is better than nothing

No actor action man gonna move in to take my place
I'll be pumping out the product
Just a total waste

I'm here with my cop
Afraid to look up
This is how I spend my time
Lazin' around, head hangin' down
Stuck inside my imagination
Busy making something from nothing
Pictures of hope and depression
Anything is better than nothing
Anything is better than nothing
Anything is better than nothing
Anything is better than nothing
 
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