lets share your stories of life in prison and cop shop cells (happy sad shocking )

[badandwicked]

I know a few lads who are basically institusionalised and one actually seems to prefer being inside.I can actually see how one could lead this waste of life,because they lose all fear of prisons and cannot cope with the outside world,they know the game,yet are hardly master criminals.

I know a few people like that. One in particular's been in about 10 times and he's only 28. He's on 1st name terms with everyone at our local prison, if he goes awol you just ring them up and they're like 'oh yeah, he's here, he's fine, just on the hospital wing for a few days, I'll get him to call you'. There's not much for him on the outside sadly, he feels he's a 'no-one', 'junky scum' I think he feels when he's in he's 'someone' and belongs

 

[knock]

Paedos are the only fans of paedos. That lad who done ten years deserves a fucking medal.

I understand your repulsion and I'm no fan of paedos either but people don't just merrily decide to have a go on a kid on a whim. Twisted behaviour is the result of twisted upbringing or possibly twisted braincells. Removal to a safe distance from the target of their misplaced desire and some kind of treatment is a bit more rational than lynching and such like. It's a similar mentality that casts heroin addicts as "junkie scum".

 

[scrooloose]

^i'd go more with twisted braincells knock. Look,me and you have both admitted that at times we are 'not all there',but i have no desire,whatsoever to fuck/molest a child,nor do you. When i hear news reports or am flicking through the papers,i can't even listen or read about it.A lot of people who have been abused have done a lot to help others through sickening times.

These people are cunning and devious,they know exactly what they are doing and ruining lives in the most sickening way possible. What do we do,'help' them? How? Castrate them.

 

[brimz]

Some of my best friends are Prolific Offenders

 

[knock]

^i'd go more with twisted braincells knock. Look,me and you have both admitted that at times we are 'not all there',but i have no desire,whatsoever to fuck/molest a child,nor do you. When i hear news reports or am flicking through the papers,i can't even listen or read about it.A lot of people who have been abused have done a lot to help others through sickening times.

These people are cunning and devious,they know exactly what they are doing and ruining lives in the most sickening way possible. What do we do,'help' them? How? Castrate them.

I don't know the answer, because I'm just me. What I do know is that reason must prevail over retribution, despite it's emotional appeal. Castration may well be a solution, or part of it, in some or many cases. The main thing for me is that there is a neural circuit in their brain that isn't wired right and they didn't do the wiring, so I cannot remain silent while you or anyone else calls for their murder, no matter how much I love you!

 

[scrooloose]

I know a few people like that. One in particular's been in about 10 times and he's only 28. He's on 1st name terms with everyone at our local prison, if he goes awol you just ring them up and they're like 'oh yeah, he's here, he's fine, just on the hospital wing for a few days, I'll get him to call you'. There's not much for him on the outside sadly, he feels he's a 'no-one', 'junky scum' I think he feels when he's in he's 'someone' and belongs

Funnily enough i bumped into one the other day,down on his luck,nowhere to go,unshaven,well so am i but that's irrelevant.I like him,he used to be a regular seller of cheap joints of meat,vodka etc not just cos of that,he's basically harmless,but,alas heroin.PRobably won't see him again for a few months.I know what he was hinting at though.Sorry mate,i just can't.

 

[Allein]

^^^
It's an established fact that the abused often become abusers, this is also often the case when it comes to children of drug users. Of course not all abusers go on to abuse and I do believe that you must be held accountable for your actions regardless but I would never support any kind of violent action or any form of capital punishment, I can't see how that can be part of a society that is trying to progress.

I have kids and of course if someone interfered with one of them I would likely want to kill them, but that is what is the very core purpose of the justice system, having sat on the jury of a double murder I have support for the principles of the system.

My personal views are that sentencing needs to be seriously changed, in the main rape, child abuse and premeditated murder would carry a full life sentence, and petty crime would be dealt with by a much wider system of community based work. For me committing some crimes means you have lost your right to walk freely in our society, I have no wish to have people living in discomfort but I would not let them back onto the streets. There are many offenses that I believe would be much better dealt with via community service, I don't mean demeaning people but it seems more just to me that you give back to the community that you have taken from.

Probably idealistic and overly simplifying a complex issue but I'm sure we could do better than the current status quo that often sentences a fairly low level drug dealer longer than a violent rapist

 

[Myshkin]

These people are cunning and devious,they know exactly what they are doing and ruining lives in the most sickening way possible. What do we do,'help' them? How? Castrate them.

Who are 'these people'?

Most child abuse is carried out in the home, by a parent or a relative of the victim. While I share your distaste for the perpetrators of any kind of sexual abuse, I feel you're regurgitating a media stereotype of a 'child molester' that's dangerously far from the truth.

The media has created a new pornography out of child abuse, hence the fact you can barely pick up a paper without running into a lurid account of it. Where are the stories about the other kinds of abuse (sexual and otherwise) which occur on a daily basis and are far more prevalent than child molestation? Usually they don't make the cut because the papers know that paedos will sell. So the victims of the crimes which titillate the tabloids are exploited yet again, only under the cloak of righteous outrage.

That's not to say stories such as the one you relate aren't truly horrific - they are. My point is that child abuse is a symptom of a wider malaise in society rather than a crime committed by 'weirdo' perverts and outsiders. To regard it as such is to ignore the true extent of the problem, and in turn overlook ways of addressing it.

Anyway, I'm off topic. Just had to chime in there.

 

[Valkyrie]

I got nicked early morning. They wouldn't let me make a phone call but they would make it for me. Then they wouldn't let me have my mobile to find the number I needed, which was someone to pick up my kids (aged 13 and 15) and take them to school. I also wasn't allowed to contact them later in the day to tell them where I was. Bearing in mind they'd witnessed their mum being arrested and carted off in a police van and more than a dozen coppers ripping their home apart.

The cell was absolutely freezing, they took my coat cos it had a cord on the hood. The blanket was as stiff as a board and had blood stains on it, amongst others. The toilet was blocked up and right by the bed. I had to go to another loo with a policeman standing in the doorway. They wouldn't answer the bell and they didn't give me any food all day.

I was released on to the street at 10pm with no phone and no money. My kids, having walked home from school and fed themselves, still didn't know where I was.

Not as horrendous as most stories but fairly unpleasant and not what the rules state

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I don't know the answer, because I'm just me. What I do know is that reason must prevail over retribution, despite it's emotional appeal. Castration may well be a solution, or part of it, in some or many cases. The main thing for me is that there is a neural circuit in their brain that isn't wired right and they didn't do the wiring, so I cannot remain silent while you or anyone else calls for their murder, no matter how much I love you!

In some states in America (and Scandinavia I think?), if you're a rapist or a paedophile, they give you the choice between life imprisonment or chemical castration with constant monitoring to make sure you're taking your medicine. I think that is the only answer really, because what you're essentially doing is the equivalent of asking a gay person not to be gay - or at least not act on those impulses.

I take issue with the idea that child abusers breed child abusers. I think people with empathy disorders are the primary abusers in our society, and I think their children have a slightly higher chance of also having empathy disorders too. There are way too many abuse victims who grow up and become better parents to say that the link is causal. And if there is a link, all the more reason to make sure these people are steralised.

Given the flaws in the justice system I don't think i'd ever leave it to the system to deal with someone who abused my children. Even if it did catch and imprison them they'd be back out doing it again in half a decade. They really leave you with little choice when they don't deal with the situation properly.

 

[Myshkin]

I take issue with the idea that child abusers breed child abusers. I think people with empathy disorders are the primary abusers in our society, and I think their children have a slightly higher chance of also having empathy disorders too. There are way too many abuse victims who grow up and become better parents to say that the link is causal.

And what causes these 'empathy disorders' you mention? Could childhood abuse not be a contributing factor in many cases? That's what I think Knock's getting at.

Rhetorical question, by the way. There's a topic here somewhere and it's not child abuse. as interesting a topic as that has the potential to be.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

And what causes these 'empathy disorders' you mention? Could childhood abuse not be a contributing factor in many cases? That's what I think Knock's getting at.

Rhetorical question, by the way. There's a topic here somewhere and it's not child abuse.

Yeah yeah, i've got the message. You've said what you wanted to say on the off topic, now you want to shut that avenue of chit chat down and 'move on'

There is some evidence that it can trigger empathy disorders. But you need the predispoition, and plenty of people without abusive childhoods don't go on to have these disorders. And plenty of people who do have abusive childhoods don't go on to have these disorders. The correlation is reasonably low, considering the rate of child abuse is rather high.

 

[Myshkin]

Whatever you say, Jack.

If you must insist on bringing threads off topic, then maybe start your own thread on the subject in question?

Im just reminding people that we're straying off topic, as I did way before you waded in with your view. A lot of people don't want to have to wade through irrelevant material.

I know you take things like this very seriously indeed, but this is a prison / police cell stories thread. End of.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Erm the thread was already off topic. For a good 5-10 posts before I even said anything. Like i've said before, get people on topic or state your point on the off topic. Not both. 'Oy Vey', such a shit mod it's unbelievable.

 

[Myshkin]

You really can't be quiet, can you?

Enough. The post immediately prior to yours returned to topic. That's where we'll stay, ta.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Yeah, and you can can't you? You could just leave it and it would fizzle out on it's own. So errr.. shut your fucking mouth and stop abusing your position to have the last word as usual

 

[Myshkin]

There you go, Bluntsie. I've put it back in for you.

NSFW:

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

That was part of the assertion. The point was that in general there needs to be a lack of empathy to take your arousal from children to the level of abuse. I think empathy disorders can be triggered by poor parenting, but there is always a genetic aspect. I'm all for life imprisonment atm23. The only problem I can see at the minute is that that doesn't happen. They get out rather quickly considering they can turn a family on it's head. It can seriously damage a child for life too. I read an article that said 1 in 20 children are abused per year, or 1 in 4 girls or 1 in 8 boys before 18, so there will always be quite an overlap between abusers (both 'normal' and sexual), that I don't think we can really draw any conclusions from. It's certain that with any abuser, or anyone who commits any real crime, there is something wrong with them which means that retribution should be the lowest of priorities in the ironically named justice system - yet despite this the only purpose our system serves is retribution. The recidivism rate is barely taken notice of. Everyone just wants their pound of flesh, which stops us moving forward like Scandi countries.

 

[pinkpapaver]

my son and 3 of his mates got arrested by 4 or 5 cop cars when they were 11/12. they were arrested at 4.30pm.
the last child was interviewed at about 12.30am. then there was a load more faffing around before they decided what they were going to do. it was for something ridiculous. what had happened was that some kid (severla years older thatn these little boys) rode into them on his bike. they did what lads do and all of them chased the big boy down the road and kicked his bike. the twat on the bike did what most kids dont do and crossed the road to the local police station to tell them he had been assaulted by a bunch of 11/12 year olds. the little kids didnt realise this was happening and carred on hanging round the high street rather than jumping on the next bus home.

my son was very naive (obviously) and said he picked up a stick. (which he later told me was a twig)

dont know what time we got out, but he got charged with affray.

but anyways is it normal to make sure that children are interviewed way past their bedtime?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

my son and 3 of his mates got arrested by 4 or 5 cop cars when they were 11/12. they were arrested at 4.30pm.
the last child was interviewed at about 12.30am. then there was a load more faffing around before they decided what they were going to do. it was for something ridiculous. what had happened was that some kid (severla years older thatn these little boys) rode into them on his bike. they did what lads do and all of them chased the big boy down the road and kicked his bike. the twat on the bike did what most kids dont do and crossed the road to the local police station to tell them he had been assaulted by a bunch of 11/12 year olds. the little kids didnt realise this was happening and carred on hanging round the high street rather than jumping on the next bus home.

my son was very naive (obviously) and said he picked up a stick. (which he later told me was a twig)

dont know what time we got out, but he got charged with affray.

but anyways is it normal to make sure that children are interviewed way past their bedtime?

Erm wtf? Did they interview him with you there or not? I honestly can't believe they would interview a child that late at night. What was the outcome of the charge? They should have said "kids go home".