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lets list disproofs, or proofs, of a god.

What is my proof god doesnt exist? Hmm well, it might not be proof that A god doesnt exist, but the ones mentioned by the most followed religions in the world certainly do not.

If god exists, why do 10's of thousands of CHILDREN, people who not only are young and immature, but due to vitamin and mineral deficiencies are underdeveloped and thus basically retards, become nothing more than a rotting corpse, due to one of the most horrific ways of death, starvation, every single day?

I mean i could make plenty of analogies why god is an asshole and a cunt if he does indeed exist, but i cant be fucked. Plain and simple, if he exists? Hes a cunt. I dont worship cunts, i dont waste my time on cunts, infact generally, i dont like cunts and cunts can fuck off :)

that is all hehe.
 
B9 said:
This seems a peculiar thing to say, a thought reality most definitely is a part of existence, an undiscovered reality is potentially a part of existence which would, according to my feeling on the matter/energy/etc, have to be embraced as part of nature were it to be discovered.
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I would like some explanation as to this to, to phrase the question more concisely: does thought reality not exist? I would think a very basic requirement of anything that is termed "reality" is existence... physical existence may not be the same as other forms of existence but even abstract or purely phenomenological experiences exist in some form or another.
 
moonyham said:
What is my proof god doesnt exist? Hmm well, it might not be proof that A god doesnt exist, but the ones mentioned by the most followed religions in the world certainly do not.

If god exists, why do 10's of thousands of CHILDREN, people who not only are young and immature, but due to vitamin and mineral deficiencies are underdeveloped and thus basically retards, become nothing more than a rotting corpse, due to one of the most horrific ways of death, starvation, every single day?

I mean i could make plenty of analogies why god is an asshole and a cunt if he does indeed exist, but i cant be fucked. Plain and simple, if he exists? Hes a cunt. I dont worship cunts, i dont waste my time on cunts, infact generally, i dont like cunts and cunts can fuck off :)

that is all hehe.
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This is punishment for the totality of man's sins.

But he loves us!
 
B9, as silly as it seems, due to the lack of tangibility, the scientific community has only recently begun to acknowledge the existence of the Thought Reality, namely in the field of cognitive science. Until this point, fields like psychology and philosophy were not considered empirical studies like chemistry or neuroscience.

moonyham, I believe that the current accepted ideological explanation for the innocents' suffering, at least in the Judeo-Christian sense, is that God does not interfere with the doings on man based on Free Agency, and also based on the idea that this life is being judged, a sort of test.
I do not believe in deities.
 
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moonyham said:
What is my proof god doesnt exist? Hmm well, it might not be proof that A god doesnt exist, but the ones mentioned by the most followed religions in the world certainly do not.

If god exists, why do 10's of thousands of CHILDREN, people who not only are young and immature, but due to vitamin and mineral deficiencies are underdeveloped and thus basically retards, become nothing more than a rotting corpse, due to one of the most horrific ways of death, starvation, every single day?

I mean i could make plenty of analogies why god is an asshole and a cunt if he does indeed exist, but i cant be fucked. Plain and simple, if he exists? Hes a cunt. I dont worship cunts, i dont waste my time on cunts, infact generally, i dont like cunts and cunts can fuck off :)

that is all hehe.
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well religious people would say two things;

Number one being that it's a punishment for any sins that one has done. And Number two being that its free will


bc thats what they say for anything.

If god does exist FUCK HIM That is all
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
B9, as silly as it seems, due to the lack of tangibility, the scientific community has only recently begun to acknowledge the existence of the Thought Reality, namely in the field of cognitive science. Until this point, fields like psychology and philosophy were not considered empirical studies like chemistry or neuroscience.
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Karl Popper's three worlds merging Cartesian and Platonic ideals; I remember this from the 1st Chapter to Roger Penrose' (Stephen Hawking's colleague)s "The Road to Reality" a book I recommend everyone to read.
 
panic in paradise said:
^black white and gray

seems akin to the top of the 'tree of life'...dont you think?
;-)
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You dont mean this tree of life do you?

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I didnt think so =D
 
Pindar, from the diagram, it would seem that these realities are based off each other.. Which is inaccurate.
All realities exist ibidem and simultaneously.

However, I've yet to really peruse the source, so I may be mistaken.
That is just the information as it is presented in the diagram.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
Pindar, from the diagram, it would seem that these realities are based off each other.. Which is inaccurate.
All realities exist ibidem and simultaneously.

However, I've yet to really peruse the source, so I may be mistaken.
That is just the information as it is presented in the diagram.
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How can the mental world exist at the same place and simultaneously with the physical world, if the mental world, the world of consciousness only came about 100,000 years ago with the advent of Homo Sapiens, and if our paradigm shifts in science are any indication, we are more de-centered from our understanding of the physical world then we think? In my interpretation of the diagram, the signifier brings the physical world into being, and the mental world, our thoughts, our consciousness, create a chain of signifiers that compose of our thought and perception, and whenever reality interferes (in being confronted with one's subjectivity), another signifier from the "Platonic" Ideas, then our mental world then takes this and changes our view of the physical world, and the cycle goes on and on again.
 
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So in your interpretation the diagram is linear?
Therein lies the problem.

The Thought Reality does exist strictly in beings capable of higher cognitive functions.
However, the Thought Reality is not solely a result of the Physical Reality.
Perception is the processing and modeling of stimuli from the Physical Reality.
All organisms are capable of some form of perception.
We perceive Existence, but this perception does not necessarily impact the Thought Reality.

The Thought Reality is capable of originality and creation.
Additionally, the Thought Reality is absolutely individual, and has very little bearing on the Physical Reality (until applied with creation).

These two realities are only facets of Existence, which is why they are innately simultaneous and ibidem.
They are parts of a whole, not a reactionary sequence.
 
-Kitten said:
well religious people would say two things;

Number one being that it's a punishment for any sins that one has done. And Number two being that its free will


bc thats what they say for anything.

If god does exist FUCK HIM That is all
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Anyone who claims thats the reason and excuse for such events, has never been a starving child in the middle of africa with no parents, born with hiv, infested with parasites, no home, raped regularly, and is about to die from starvation. Free will? How is it free will if 99% of those people never have a chance? If they have no education to make 'free decisions'?
 
moony, in a way we are all responsible for allowing such conditions to happen to fellow human beings. if God would interfere and prevent such things, then why would people do anything?

i like where this thread is headed, and hope to catch up with the last few pages soon. well done, everyone.
 
I attended Catholic school, and I also had a brief obscene interest in theology ha. I was taught that the reason God allowed the suffering of innocents (like the children in Africa who are born with HIV and into poverty) is that this is a result of Free Agency. Men have decided to ravage villages and rape and spread the disease. This is their choice, and people also have the choice to attempt to stop them. Some do, and many die.
The fact of the matter is that we live on Earth, regardless of what you believe in personally. There are many people, and all these people could do anything they want. God, in any plausible sense, cannot interfere with this. (Again, I don't believe in deities.)
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
So in your interpretation the diagram is linear?
Therein lies the problem.

The Thought Reality does exist strictly in beings capable of higher cognitive functions.
However, the Thought Reality is not solely a result of the Physical Reality.
Perception is the processing and modeling of stimuli from the Physical Reality.
All organisms are capable of some form of perception.
We perceive Existence, but this perception does not necessarily impact the Thought Reality.

The Thought Reality is capable of originality and creation.
Additionally, the Thought Reality is absolutely individual, and has very little bearing on the Physical Reality (until applied with creation).

These two realities are only facets of Existence, which is why they are innately simultaneous and ibidem.
They are parts of a whole, not a reactionary sequence.
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How is this "Thought Reality" any different from the Platonic Forms? Perception does not impact the "Thought Reality", (even though to be is to be perceived) and has little bearing on the "Physical Reality", except that one wouldn't know of a Physical Reality, nor speak of one, without signifiers, which would, I guess, come from "Thought Reality". Anyway we can agree to disagree. Unlike religion, we don't need any dogma in explaining existence.
 
oh yes, because we know of all the problems.

So, i guess god helped people before cnn and cameras and broadband which allowed us to become educated in the poverty that strikes other parts of the world?

Its fucking retarded. God people view god and his plausability and actions IN TODAYS CONTEXT. The today that has internet, cars, guns, nuclear power, and so on.

We allow these conditions? OH yes because ALL problems humans face is because of OTHER HUMANS right?!!?!?!?!?!?!? HA. lame.
 
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