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lets list disproofs, or proofs, of a god.

to be fair to our dear Lord, i think our inner experience of "bliss" ("divine" states of being) has just as much to do with his creation.
 
More to the point, where are some examples of Occam's Razor being a totally off-base? Wouldn't such examples, by definition, be "supernatural" or "miraculous" to some degree? I can't really think of any at the moment, but I hope other people can.

well the complexity of chance required for things to turn out as they have without an intentional force, coupled with the remaining mysteries of both the natures of our minds and environment, i'd say that it is much simpler to conceptualise some creative force, although it is beyond our intellectual grasp to encapsulate.
 
Well said - the connection between religion & heroin is clear to me - one should not foist either onto other people.

what can i say; here is a delightful example ~ Sri Anandamayi Ma / Sophia::Shakti what the scattered masses are missing.
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shes got a hold of the spirit B9 - a few minutes a day can keep the confessional doctor and guilty pleasures away
;-)

dont start qwe, i realize that there exist God Experience modulators people can wear...helmets that emit electro-impulses that stim the brain etc... good stuff
 
I'll give that a listen thank you PiP. I listened to another link on gnosis & Sophia by some off the wall guy that you posted - although that was interesting from a historical & conceptual perspective I got kind of disengaged when he started to make claims about the system being involved in falsifying long term weather forecasting.

Ha her eyes surely do look very heavy, I liked the guy to her left behind her waving his hand at her & laughing.

This was there as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c75jUxJc-Ec&feature=related
 
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We're alive, the life process.

Death is a part of the life process.

We're a part of something bigger.
 
We're alive, the life process.

Death is a part of the life process.

We're a part of something bigger.

By far the most intellectual post I have ever seen in my life.
I would say that we, as in us human beings, are a part of the human species, and therefore part of something bigger than ourselves.
We just need to start working towards a unified goal. that would be cool.

That isn't to say, however, that the life on this planet is part of something "bigger". Unless it's like an experiment of some sort. Plausible.
 
Can we have a definition of God (if someone didnt mention it already)? For if we cant have that. any discussion is useless..Are we part of something bigger? Man is a force to be overcome would be more accurate (Nietzsche) IMO, because evolution in itself does not progress to a directed goal. I dont know, I really think that "2001: A Space Odyssey" sheds more light in blackskirt's statements than anything lol
 
The biblical controdiction I have yet to have seen logically debunked. GOD IS IMPERFECT by his own word

So, we have a machine. Now this machine stamps perfect circles out of metal. It will never break down, it never needs repair or servicing. It is a perfect machine. But one day the machine made an imperfect circle. The machine thusly is not only imperfect but was always imperfect because it would and did have the capacity to fail.

Now we apply this to God, god is a supposedly perfect being, god created an imperfect being. Seeing as something perfect cannot create something imperfect god is imperfect. This applies to both satan/ other cherubs and angels
as well as Adam an eve.

The most common argument against this is also illogical. And that is god created them imperfect on purpose; why you ask? Becasue that would mean that perfection can contain or create imperfection, meaning that perfection can contain imperfection which contradicts the meaning of perfection.
 
The biblical controdiction I have yet to have seen logically debunked. GOD IS IMPERFECT by his own word

So, we have a machine. Now this machine stamps perfect circles out of metal. It will never break down, it never needs repair or servicing. It is a perfect machine. But one day the machine made an imperfect circle. The machine thusly is not only imperfect but was always imperfect because it would and did have the capacity to fail.

Now we apply this to God, god is a supposedly perfect being, god created an imperfect being. Seeing as something perfect cannot create something imperfect god is imperfect. This applies to both satan/ other cherubs and angels
as well as Adam an eve.

The most common argument against this is also illogical. And that is god created them imperfect on purpose; why you ask? Becasue that would mean that perfection can contain or create imperfection, meaning that perfection can contain imperfection which contradicts the meaning of perfection.

Define perfect, define imperfect, define how creation can come from nothing. Then you would have the minimum to make a valid argument (no offense). The only perfect being, is Being itself. That which is "fixed and unchangeable" and consists of the world both phenomenon and noumenon. Since there can be no contradiction of Being since it goes against its properties (which is the whole of your argument), then the only conception of imperfection is in our language which permits the notion. Let me let you in of a secret, it is only when one comes forth into language, that is when "imperfection" is possible..Or when one comes into existence, that is when this notion is legitimate. Noone has ever seen God, No one has ever seen God speak, God's name is forbidden to be spoken of (YHVH), everything we associate with him has come from, as the Prophet Amos said, "through his prophets". those who were attuned to the voice of Being (They were like the Dr. Houses of society, they saw what most people didn't see) and this is not even taking into account the history of the writing of Bible, in which Being is hidden more and more in interpretation (Documentary Hypothesis? Do you know that God in the 1st Chapter of the Bible is plural: Elohim?). Therefore again, we cannot speak of a God unless we bring a definition in which we can prove or disprove.
 
Define perfect, define imperfect, define how creation can come from nothing. Then you would have the minimum to make a valid argument (no offense). The only perfect being, is Being itself. That which is "fixed and unchangeable" and consists of the world both phenomenon and noumenon. Since there can be no contradiction of Being since it goes against its properties (which is the whole of your argument), then the only conception of imperfection is in our language which permits the notion. Let me let you in of a secret, it is only when one comes forth into language, that is when "imperfection" is possible..Or when one comes into existence, that is when this notion is legitimate. Noone has ever seen God, No one has ever seen God speak, God's name is forbidden to be spoken of (YHVH), everything we associate with him has come from, as the Prophet Amos said, "through his prophets". those who were attuned to the voice of Being (They were like the Dr. Houses of society, they saw what most people didn't see) and this is not even taking into account the history of the writing of Bible, in which Being is hidden more and more in interpretation (Documentary Hypothesis? Do you know that God in the 1st Chapter of the Bible is plural: Elohim?). Therefore again, we cannot speak of a God unless we bring a definition in which we can prove or disprove.
Definition of perfect: entirely and completely without flaw.
Definition of imperfect: not entirely and completely without flaw.
Well you see at the begging of the universe all energy was condensed into a very small space. then pure energy exploded forth, as it cooled down and spread out some of the energy became particles. those particles became hydrogen. when enough hydrogen gathered in one pocket of space it became a sun. The sun turned that hydrogen into other elements. When enough suns had collapsed planets and things started to form. Accelerate light years into the future and we have earth. Now in the water of waters of earth which was a very extreme climate and in the ocean RNA and DNA formed. From these amino acids came then blah blah blah cells. cells combine and start performing diffident functions to sustain their existence (not consciously but that is how cells work) proto-organisms grow evolve and after thousands of millions of years we have man.

The philosophical concept of perfection is not disprovable you can debate whether or not things are perfect, because that is subjective. You can, to no avail, also debate the philosophical concept of perfection. But that does not disprove.

Your argument is invalid, perfection would exist without language. Consider we live in a world without language, if I drew a circle of which all points of the circle were equidistant from it's center, then exists a perfect circle regardless of whether or not we have a word for it. If I attempt to do it again and I draw a circle in which all points are not equidistant from the center then the circle as it exists is imperfect and not a circle.

On a second note, We can define god as one of two things on or off the bat using this process seeing as we know god created man and man is imperfect.
1 Is god prefect?
Yes god is perfect continue to 2
No He is not continue to 3

2 is man perfect?
Yes, man is perfect continue to 4
No man is imperfect continue to 5

3 God is imperfect

4 According to his word regardless whether or not you believe it is distorted man is imperfect. if man is perfect then this either disproves the validity of gods words (making god imperfect) Or the Final scenario man is perfect, I am man, I believe god doesn't exist/ is imperfect and If I am perfect then I cannot be wrong which means god does not exist or is imperfect.

5 If god created man, and god was perfect, god does not have the capacity to create something flawed. Thusly god is either imperfect (because he created imperfect man), or perfection can contain imperfection in which case perfection doesn't exist... I.E. god is imperfect (or not perfect).
 
people and science prove themselves to be wrong all the time, God has just never had the need.

Never had the need for what? To prove himself wrong?

I have a couple questions for him: childhood cancer, tsunamis, tornadoes, scholiosis, cystic fibrosis, degenerative diseases, terminal diseases, plagues, famine, negative inherent human characteristics, and war, just to name a few.
 
Never had the need for what? To prove himself wrong?

I have a couple questions for him: childhood cancer, tsunamis, tornadoes, scholiosis, cystic fibrosis, degenerative diseases, terminal diseases, plagues, famine, negative inherent human characteristics, and war, just to name a few.

This can easily be "disproved" nby any sect of religion as god, letting it happen becasue it is supposed to, it being the corruption of satan and many other claims
 
Never had the need for what? To prove himself wrong?

I have a couple questions for him: childhood cancer, tsunamis, tornadoes, scholiosis, cystic fibrosis, degenerative diseases, terminal diseases, plagues, famine, negative inherent human characteristics, and war, just to name a few.


This post puzzles me. You define God as a he, you define your expectation of God as a potentially interventionist force, you reckon he's let you down. I presume your opinions were formed by the biblical description of God. Answer me this please how could an interventionist God be compatible with a God who allows freewill?
 
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