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length of your ROLL, old days vs new days and PILL form

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I have done a lot of browsing of the threads on ecstasy/mdma/mda discussion and there's a lot of discussion on how ecstasy used to be so much better. Like from 1985 to 1991 the pills were always 200mg to 300mg and had people rolling for 4 hours straight.

I am also familiar with all the discussion on how these old phenomenal pills possibly contained MDE, MDA mixtures or amphetamine. I have seen posts by old ravers who ask the question as to how the old pills would make them roll for 4+ hours, while mdma powder today (molly) does make someone roll, but not nearly for 4 hours, more like 2.5 hours at the most.

I find this to be the case as well. Molly for me on one dose, with no redoses would only last a MAX of 3 hours. I'm talking eating crystals, btw.

I was thinking, could the fact that mdma came in pill form, could this have an effect on the length of the roll. I have seen all kinds of pills in my days rolling, from crumbly ones to "pharmaceutical grade" pills that are pressed very densely and hard. Could these dense pills take a considerably longer amount of time to break down in the stomach, and therefore be responsible for the effects of those amazing pills that had everyone rolling hard for 4-5 hours or even longer off just one pill.

BTW, I am familiar with the fact that mdma works best on a young body vs an older body.

I have probably rolled about 50 times, and I definetly never lost the magic. I have taken breaks lasting longer than a year. If i take molly crystals, which is what I have access to mostly, I do find that I need to redose during the evening, but I often redosed with pills as well.

I was just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on if super dense pills could be a sort of "time-release" like mechanism similar to purdue pharma Oxycontin pills when taken without being crushed up.
 
The density could play a part in how long the onset is but if your rolls are lasting at MAXIMUM like you say of 3 hours then get them tested. That doesn't sound like genuine MDMA to me.
 
I know for a fact that the MDMA I have is genuine, I have had it tested. I probably should have mentioned that I meant I rolled solidly for 3 hours. I would most definitely feel effects from the molly for 4-5 hours. I meant that I would start to "come down" after 2.5 or 3 hours
 
Its the same for me, peak is about 2-3hrs then it wears off, effect is felt for Max 4-4.5hrs(i dont redose) but the intense love/empathy last 2-3hrs.. and its always been this way
 
I think people say that the MDMA was so much better back in the day, is because a lot of people from the USA use this forum, and I beleive mdma/mda was much easier to get 20 years ago in the USA when the economy wasnt so bad, etc. But you can still get good MD in europe (and in the US ofc, but it seems to be much harder)

I've had rolls lasting about 4 hours with one dose, and all night by redosing. I've also had a slightly longer roll from an MDA batch, think i rolled for about 5 hours with only one dose.
 
I truely believe that this is a cultural thing more than a chemical thing. I have heard it time and time again and the more I think about it the more I realize that rollers today are so infatuated with the peak experience of MDMA that they miss or dismiss the rest of it. The MDMA experience is 5-6 hours for people without a huge tolerance to the drug. but I turely think that the people using today are writing off some of the experience because it is not as intencse as they thought MDMA should be so they only count the peak and platue portion as the whole MDMA experience and write off the rest as "i'm not high enough so I am not rolling anymore"
 
matt2012 said:
I truely believe that this is a cultural thing more than a chemical thing. I have heard it time and time again and the more I think about it the more I realize that rollers today are so infatuated with the peak experience of MDMA that they miss or dismiss the rest of it. The MDMA experience is 5-6 hours for people without a huge tolerance to the drug. but I turely think that the people using today are writing off some of the experience because it is not as intencse as they thought MDMA should be so they only count the peak and platue portion as the whole MDMA experience and write off the rest as "i'm not high enough so I am not rolling anymore"
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This could be true, but I would also say it's because 99% of users never test their drugs and are probably getting ripped off with some lame quality BS, resulting in a quick peak and fast comedown.
Good quality MD really lasts 4-8 hours. And people also say redosing doesn't work, but I find it extends the roll without making it more intense.. it just extends the roll and ofc it makes the comedown worse ;P
 
Im from Europe & scored all my MDMA from *Who Cares?* it's been from very trusted vendors with very good feedback and the mdma has been tested once only and its definetly real. However, REDOSE has NEVER worked for me to bring back emphaty or love but it has kept the 'roll' going and in the end it would bring hallucinations. I once did redose 4times a night, yes it was a great night but the emphaty and love was the first 2-3hours only(peak I assume) and the comedown was like 5days long lol

nowdays I only pop once, 200mg and my girl 120mg. we roll with emphaty and love for about 2½-3hours then it goes over to afterglow which is a nice mellow state for 2hours, we usualy smoke weed here and it gets into a more psychedelic retrospace. So I only count the first 2½hour as a roll really when u cant shut up and have to express love. However my last two rolls we've had with great stuffs(tried same batch b4) but they were not even intense, you didnt have to express love you just went relaxed. guess thats cuz we overused it. on 31st august we had a long break and will pop the same batch again and evaluate
 
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yo, LSD, trying to reply to you PM but your PM box is full - EMPTY that fucker, man!

just replying to a random post here to tell you to empty that mofo cuz I have no other idea how I should do that, lol
 
Why doesn't anyone ever consider that perhaps all these "MDMA isn't what it used to be, it was so much better back in the day" claims are likely due to prolonged use, possible periods of abuse/excessive use, and generally just 'getting used to' MDMA so it simply doesn't have that WOW factor any more?

Coz yes, while these days shit is passed off as MDMA when it's not, and MDMA is cut to hell when it's REAL....it's still the same goddamn chemical compound, which hasn't changed since it was first synthesized. The only variables are purity, dose, and your own brain. You have relative complete control over the first two variables, so if it's not a tolerance issue you've only got yourself to blame for buying sub-par drugs.
 
Exstazy said:
This could be true, but I would also say it's because 99% of users never test their drugs and are probably getting ripped off with some lame quality BS, resulting in a quick peak and fast comedown.
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This and what trozzle said about prolonged use. Mdma is mdma always has been always will be.
 
Serious question.

I know some buddy had straight crystal from SWOM and it lasted a good 8 hours. Very upbeat and make you wanna keep moving. He came down after about 6 hours but the girls were still going after 8. Still no come down. He was shaking if he wasn't moving though, could this be cut with crack or something.
 
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I know some buddy had straight crystal from SWOM and it lasted a good 8 hours. Very upbeat and make you wanna keep moving. He came down after about 6 hours but the girls were still going after 8. Still no come down. He was shaking if he wasn't moving though, could this be cut with crack or something.
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Probably NOT MDMA


could be anything - there are lots of research chems out there

no, it's not cut with crack --

shaking is from the stimulation
 
I've had all kinds of lengths, the best lasting a good 5 hours from start to finish, different peak lengths etc. and from experience I can say that sometimes what I took probably wasn't even MDMA (I've never tested my stuff - stupid, I know...) So I can totally believe that sometimes when people complain of a short peak and fast comedown, they probably weren't even on MDMA. One time I parachuted a dose (which normally takes me around 30-40 mins to come up), and I was up in under 10 minutes and the peak nearly fucking floored me, then only lasted an hour at most, then came crashing down quickly and I blamed it on "not very good MDMA" when looking back I'd put money on it not being M at all.
 
All this talk of no good MDMA anymore is BS.

There is just so much more shit being made now in back yards because demand is so high.

You just got to know where it is coming from.
 
Yeah there is quite obviously fantastic MDMA still available.

A lot of things can affect the length of the effects, the density of the material ingested (for example crushed powder will absorb quicker than a pressed pill), stomach contents, individual metabolism, tolerance. I feel 'altered' for about 4-6 hours after taking crushed MDMA crystals placed in cellulose capsules, with no redosing.

But the effects come in two stages, there is the main/peak high which lasts around 3 hours and what I would consider the 'experience', then I will suddenly feel myself come down a little, this will bring with it a momentary feeling of sadness, but then I will enter a secondary stage of being mostly sober but still slightly 'altered' and feeling very calm, serene, content and wanting to just relax, cuddle up to friends in big fluffy blankets, smoke weed and do balloons.
 
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