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Legal smokes(synthetic cannabinoids)

^^ If you have hypochondriac tendancies (like me ;)) be careful about reading things detailing other non-related conditions and finding ways to make them relate to your symptoms. I'm guilty of doing that sometimes, but it serves no purpose other than to get us more worked-up. What you have read about is HPPD (Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder) and is caused by extended periods of abuse of hallucinogenic drugs, which you did NOT do. So you are clear of that.

It sounds like you're experiencing anxiety after your nasty run-in with the legal highs. I would definitely recommend seeing a therapist/counsellor, just to talk about how you're coping and to learn some strategies for dealing with the thought patterns you're experiencing. Hypochondria and anxiety in general is indeed a horrible feeling, but you do NOT need to suffer!! Get some help man, you can overcome this <3
 
^Cyberchondria is becoming an epidemic ;)

On a serious note, listen to n3o as she is quite wise. Anxious, intelligent people + a small amount of medical information = a lot of misplaced worry.

Its essentially the same mental process as conspiracy theories. What doctors, police, scientists, etc. do is look at all the evidence and come up with a theory that explains the most of it.

What cyber/hypochondriacs do is read a little bit of information and try to twist that to fit to themselves.

Please leave the diagnoses to the doctor and try to relax a little :) BL can be a great outlet to do that, just stay away from the threads on medical problems, love
 
Hi
Cyberchodria, very funny. Yeah, I know what you mean. I will prevent any kind of healing taking place if I am worreid. I have decided to let go.
Thanks.
 
cyberchondria

Hi
I will be careful. I know what you mean. I posted hear cause I needed some help, thats all. I will keep in touch.
Thanks.
Garret
 
If you stick around TDS you will probably see (and meet if you so choose) many people who have and do experience a lot of things you have and do.

BL as a whole and especially TDS is a wonderful place to get support, learn from others and offer support when you can.

I truly do hope you'll stick around! You are CERTAINLY welcome in this place!
 
Don't take my word for it, but I am pretty darn sure this is anxiety related. You probably got some anxiety disorder, which can be triggered by something that impacted your emotions hard time.

I guess you feel derealized?
 
^it very possibly could be anxiety-related, personally I'd never jump right to telling someone they might have a 'disorder' (especially online) but it very well could be anxiety.
 
Are you sure synthetic cannbinoids do not cause eye floaters. It has been reported that Spice Diamond and maybe other legal smokes have caused HPPD in some individuals. Some individuals get HPPD; some don't. Eye floaters are one of the symptoms HPPD. I have noticed them only recently. I felt a bit spaced out after the intense stoned experience and noticed that my vision was a bit blurred. Since then I have being looking on the internet for people who had the same experience. So you are right; I have been looking for problems due to hypochondria on the internet. I will be careful looking at medical information on the net, thanks for the advice. I hope the eye floaters where caused by the stress and depression. I also made a lot of changes in my life at the same time I smoked the stuff. I moved to a different city. I was made redundant before that. My mother died 3 years ago(buried grief).
I also had a drink problem(AA helps me) and a lot of pain from the past due to bullying.
Anyway, I have decided to talk to counselor. Do I sound like I am looking for problems with my health. For example I might have had the floaters(cob-web type ones) without even being aware of them. But why the sudden heightened awareness of them?
Can you relate to the above.

Are you sure HPPD is not caused by legal smokes like Spice Diamond. It has been reported that some individuals have got it from even one time use of Spice diamond. I noticed the floaters(mostly cob-web type ones with the odd spec) after 3 months after quitting everything. I must admit I have been very stressed since then and mildly depressed. But why the heightened awareness of the eye floaters. I could not see them before. Could this be due to hypochondria?
I have been looking for the negative in myself since the bad experience.

The anxiety is not that bad. When my anxiety peaks, it just feels like I am a bit anxious because I'm going for an interview or something. This happens once in awhile. Which is kind of normal. My thinking cause's most of it. The hypochondria creeps up on me and I give it legs, so to speak. Because I have eye floaters makes it worse; I'm constantly reminded of it. I only noticed the eye floaters about 3 months after I stopped everything. I think these were caused by anxiety and depression. Will the derealized feeling go away; sometimes I worry that it maybe endless, which is worse again. My Dad seems to think it is worry and has not noticed any personality change. And has reminded me, that I am not my thinking. Maybe I am out of sync with my old self a bit and have not sit back into myself 100%, so to speak. Then again I don't fell that much alienated from myself and my surroundings. I am watching my self alright in a hypochondriac sense.

I think you are right; I think it is anxiety. Will the anxiety go away some day?
It fees like I have a lot of coffee in my system when I wake up in the morning. And then I have mild anxiety through out the day.
Do you know anyone who has had the same experience and recoverd?

I would love to hear fro someone who recovered from synthetic cannabiniods.
Thanks.
Garret
 
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hi
Did anybody here develop anxiety after using legal smokes(Spice Diamond, SmokePlus). I stopped 3 months ago and I still feel as if I drank a lot of coffee. Maybe this is due to depersonalization from using the legal smokes. I feel more depersonalized when I notice my eye floaters. Maybe this is natural because eye floaters look as they exist in a different visual layer in my vision which sometimes scares me. This brings about more anxiety. It's hard not to worry when you are reminded by eye floaters that this has come about because of the legal smokes.
Will the anxiety go away?
 
Wizzle said:
I've had a terrible experience with oral JWH-018 (dissolved in IPA). I took like 20 mg's because 10 didn't do ANYTHING the time before that. I had a panic attack. I thought I was dying and could feel my hart pounding like 250 BPM (and pounding hard too!). Even though I knew it had to be a panic attack I was scared and already dialed 112 (911). Waited for about thirty seconds thinking about all the bs it would cause having an ambo over. Didn't press call and took a hefty dose of GHB instead which calmed me down almost instantly.

I threw the stuff away after that.. I don't think I had too many bad after effects although smoking weed seemed to make me more paranoid then it used to. I quit everything maybe a week later. I've had anxiety attacks before from regular weed, especially when I was younger. This was of a whole other intensity though. I was unable to rationalize and thought I was dying for a moment.
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holy crap i am glad you didnt go through with the 911 call...i iknow people are having side effects but shit, i keep reading these stories of people calling 911 and they are like, WATCH OUT MY HEART RATE WAS UP, thankfully I didnt have to go to the hospital though.

uhhh...you smoked to much and had a panic attack holy fuck this shit is gonna be illegal in a minute if dumb ass people keep underestimating the power and smoking too much then dialing 911 just to have their panic attack subside after the ambulance arrives and says..you are ok.
 
I too had significant anxiety, DP/DR, flickering vision, static vision, and floaters given to me by JWH-018. All of that left after about a year except for much lighter static, and the floaters. The floaters are less prominent than they used to be and also don't bother me that much anymore.

They bother you in the beginning because they're new and you're not used to them, and they remind you of your anxiety. Once they're not new anymore and the anxiety is gone, they're just a little annoying. I still think there's hope that my floaters will go back to normal with time.

Basically, don't worry. You'll look back on this in a year and remember that it sucked, but that you're so glad it's over with and your mostly feeling better.
 
This stuff was illegal as soon as someone starting spraying it on an herb and calling it a "smoke blend"/"legal high". I think people calling 911 is the least of your worries. In fact, it's already illegal in 12 countries and three states and will probably become illegal in all of the US soon thanks to K2 smoke blend.

Honestly the smoke blends should be illegal, just because of the way they act like they are all natural ingredients and don't even say what chemicals are in them at what dose. It's horrible really. I'm all for the legalization of every drug, but you can't just spray random chemicals on plants and sell them to anyone.
 
cegli said:
This stuff was illegal as soon as someone starting spraying it on an herb and calling it a "smoke blend"/"legal high".
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cegli said:
Honestly the smoke blends should be illegal
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the stuff was or should be? this stuff isn't illegal unless you are in one of the aforementioned states. in fact it's very legal, sweet in my opinion to be able to walk down the block walk into the store and basically buy weed. IMO the high is almost identical.

perfect timing too.. lets just say i dont wanna be caught with anything illegal burning in my room

honestly i think it's awesome..since it smells weird noone knows what the fuck it is, noone questions you at work or nothin, even out on th estreet or at a bar lol.
 
I was using "was" as an expression. Basically I was trying to say that when they starting spraying it on herbs and calling it a legal high, it would become illegal around the world in 1-2 years. If it would have stayed an RC, like the other RCs that have stayed around for 20 years, it would still be legal.

I've already seen two articles about it on cnn.com. How long has 2C-E, 4-HO-DiPT, etc been around and never been noticed at all? But as soon as someone starts selling 2C-E in lollipops as a legal high, it will be watched then scheduled.

I do you think you should be able to smoke JWHs, etc and they should be legal. I just don't think a random company should be able to spray random chemicals on random herbs, lie about what is in it, not say what is in it, and not say the concentration. That should be illegal.
 
cegli, it is already illegal. There are laws which say that creating such products without FDA approval is prohibited.
 
cegli said:
I do you think you should be able to smoke JWHs, etc and they should be legal. I just don't think a random company should be able to spray random chemicals on random herbs, lie about what is in it, not say what is in it, and not say the concentration. That should be illegal.
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I understand your point..maybe if it was coming from a mom or something who was concerned for her child? Are you that?

I personally am not going to petition to make JWH's illegal..becuase..uhh I LOVE THEM. Atleast JWH-018..havnt tried the others. But 018 feels almost identical to weed IMO... For people who get drug tested, who can't smell like weed at work, etc..., it's a godsend.

Even if you don't like it, why the fuck would you want it to be illegal?

Here's a thought, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Also, it's not really a secret what "random" chemicals are on the plant matter..hence the discussion we are having about JWH.
 
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