Legal Marijuana Advocates Focus on a New Green

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Legal-Marijuana Advocates Focus on a New Green
Jesse Mckinley
New York Times
March 26th, 2010

SAN FRANCISCO — Perhaps only in California could a group of marijuana smokers call themselves fiscal realists.

And yet, faced with a $20 billion deficit, strained state services and regular legislative paralysis, voters in California are now set to consider a single-word solution to help ease some of the state’s money troubles: legalize.

On Wednesday, the California secretary of state certified a November vote on a ballot measure that would legalize, tax and regulate marijuana, a plan that advocates say could raise $1.4 billion and save precious law enforcement and prison resources.

Indeed, unlike previous efforts at legalization — including a failed 1972 measure in California — the 2010 campaign will not dwell on assertions of marijuana’s harmlessness or its social acceptance, but rather on cold cash.

“We need the tax money,” said Richard Lee, founder of Oaksterdam University, a trade school for marijuana growers, in Oakland, who backed the ballot measure’s successful petition drive. “Second, we need the tax savings on police and law enforcement, and have that law enforcement directed towards real crime.”

Supporters are hoping to raise $10 million to $20 million for the campaign, primarily on the Internet, with national groups planning to urge marijuana fans to contribute $4.20 at a time, a nod to 420, a popular shorthand for the drug.

The law would permit licensed retailers to sell up to one ounce at a time. Those sales would be a new source of sales tax revenue for the state.

Opponents, however, scoff at the notion that legalizing marijuana could somehow help with the state’s woes. They tick off a list of social ills — including tardiness and absenteeism in the workplace — that such an act would contribute to.

“We just don’t think any good is going to come from this,” said John Standish, president of the California Peace Officers Association, whose 3,800 members include police chiefs and sheriffs. “It’s not going to better society. It’s going to denigrate it.”

The question of legalization, which a 2009 Field Poll showed 56 percent of Californians supporting, will undoubtedly color the state race for governor. The two major Republican candidates — the former eBay chief executive Meg Whitman and the insurance commissioner, Steve Poizner — have said they oppose the bill.

Jerry Brown, the Democratic attorney general who is also running for governor, opposes the idea as well, saying it violates federal law.

And while the Obama administration has signaled that it will tolerate medical marijuana users who abide the law in the 14 states where it is legal, a law authorizing personal use would conflict with federal law.

Supporters of the bill say the proposal’s language would allow cities or local governments to opt out, likely creating “dry counties” in some parts of the state. The proposed law would allow only those over 21 to buy, and would ban smoking marijuana in public or around minors.

Stephen Gutwillig, the California state director for the Drug Policy Alliance, a New York-based group that plans to raise money in favor of the measure, said he expected “a conservative implementation,” if passed.

“I think most local jurisdictions are not going to authorize sales,” Mr. Gutwillig said.

Local opt-out provisions are part of a strategy to allay people’s fears about adding another legal vice and to help capture a group considered key to passing the bill: non-pot-smoking swing voters.

“There’s going to be a large sector of the electorate that would never do this themselves that’s going to sort out what the harm would be versus what the supposed good would be,” said Frank Schubert, a longtime California political strategist who opposes the bill. “That’s where the election is going to be won.”

But Dan Newman, a San Francisco-based strategist for the ballot measure, said he expected broad, bipartisan support for the bill, especially among those Californians worried about the recession.

“Voters’ No. 1 concern right now is the budget and the economy,” Mr. Newman said, “which makes them look particularly favorable at something that will bring in more than $1 billion a year.” Opponents, however, question that figure — which is based on a 2009 report from the Board of Equalization, which oversees taxes in the state — and argue that whatever income is brought in will be spent dealing with more marijuana-related crimes.

Mr. Standish said: “We have a hard enough time now with drunk drivers on the road. This is just going to add to the problems.”

He added: “I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, ‘Thank God the person was just under the influence of marijuana.’ ”

Advocates of the measure plan to counter what is expected to be a strong law enforcement opposition with advertisements like one scheduled to be broadcast on radio in San Francisco and Los Angeles starting on Monday. The advertisements will feature a former deputy sheriff saying the war on marijuana has failed.

“It’s time to control it,” he concludes, “and tax it.”

Not everyone in the community is supportive. Don Duncan, a co-founder of Americans for Safe Access, which lobbies for medical marijuana, said he had reservations about the prospect of casual users joining the ranks of those with prescriptions.

“The taxation and regulation of cannabis at the local or state level may or may not improve conditions for medical cannabis patients,” Mr. Duncan said in an e-mail message. He added that issues like “police harassment and the price and quality of medicine might arise if legalization for recreational users occurs.”

Still, the idea of legal marijuana does not seem too far-fetched to people like Shelley Kutilek, a San Francisco resident, loyal church employee and registered California voter, who said she would vote “yes” in November.

“It’s no worse than alcohol,” said Ms. Kutilek, 30, an administrator at Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco. “Drunk people get really belligerent. I don’t know anybody who gets belligerent on marijuana. They just get chill.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/us/26pot.html?hp
 
He added: “I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, ‘Thank God the person was just under the influence of marijuana.’ ”

This is because when it's just weed, it ... doesn't become a crime scene?
 
^^ I don't know man every time I go out and smoke a joint I get this primal rage in me that commands me to smash babies to the ground.

But in all seriousness it is about time this is going to happen. Enough with sending people to prison (I may be one in the near future) over marijuana.
 
He added: “I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, ‘Thank God the person was just under the influence of marijuana.’ ”

This is a silly statement. When a person is 'solely' under the influence of marijuana it usually isn't even noticed or taken into account, because it's that benign. That statement is suucchh a stretch to try and make a negative point for marijuana it's not even funny.
 
This is a silly statement. When a person is 'solely' under the influence of marijuana it usually isn't even noticed or taken into account, because it's that benign. That statement is suucchh a stretch to try and make a negative point for marijuana it's not even funny.

Plus a study has shown that drivers under the influence of marijuana adjust their driving style to accommodate the slower reaction time versus a drunk driver that is "perfectly capable of driving" (Opinion of the drunk).
 
He added: “I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, ‘Thank God the person was just under the influence of marijuana.’ ”

What does that mean? What can that mean? He's never heard anyone say it because it's a nonsensical cluster of words.

I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, "Thank God we did not evolve from crayons."

I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, "Thank God the sky does not wear a sombrero."
 
^ Haha, that's what I was trying to say. I had a hard time even understanding what he's trying to say. It's just a collection of words that sounds like some kind of defense. If you actually break down the sentence, it's just plain gibberish.

I have to believe that the person who said that even know it was BS. He just knew he had to pull some kind of statement together and that was the best he got.
 
'Mr. Standish said: “We have a hard enough time now with drunk drivers on the road. This is just going to add to the problems.”

This is silly, because all sorts of people drive their vehicles while they are high. Is there anyone who does not drive high because he fears getting arrested because of it ?
 
This article really does highlight the ignorance that people who are against legalization.

"Society will disintegrate" - and we've been doing so well by sending so many people to jail, and making them stay there longer than rapists, because they smoked weed?

Yes, I concur we need more rapists and less stoners in society. Otherwise society will disintegrate. 8) </SARCASM>
 
“It’s no worse than alcohol,” said Ms. Kutilek, 30, an administrator at Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco. “Drunk people get really belligerent. I don’t know anybody who gets belligerent on marijuana. They just get chill.”

Too bad that the final quote in the article, which is very reasonable, has to end with slang. This is the reporter's attempt to show that supporters of the measure are really counterculture people, which is b.s.
 
^^ I don't know man every time I go out and smoke a joint I get this primal rage in me that commands me to smash babies to the ground

I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, "Thank God we did not evolve from crayons."

I cannot think of one crime scene I’ve been to where people said, "Thank God the sky does not wear a sombrero."

=D =D =D

Thankyou both for the biggest giggle I've had all day :D~<3
 
Plus a study has shown that drivers under the influence of marijuana adjust their driving style to accommodate the slower reaction time versus a drunk driver that is "perfectly capable of driving" (Opinion of the drunk).

Yes, this is completly true, for me at least. When driving under the influence of marijuana I drive slower than when sober. And I think I'm even driving better cause when I have drive when I have smoked pot, driving is more fun, It's just bliss to be on the road and I try to drive as perfect as I can. Well in other words, when I am sober I don't like driving in contrary when I am high and you can see that. But like with alcohol you need to know your limits, I wouldn't recommend smoking a big Amnesia joint before driving.
 
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