Legal Alternative to Replace Ecstasy

tadfish said:
what pills in NZ contain mCPP?
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none of them as far as i can tell

it is used for producing migraines for testing migraine medicines on, so not really a party drug ...
 
i didn't think that was asking for sources i just wanted to know what pills contained mCPP. i didn't want to know where to get them from.
 
Mr Bowden said “Ecstasy has a number of neuro-toxic properties which can damage the brain, however animal studies suggest that Ease does not share the mechanism by which brain damage and addictive effects are thought to be produced, so Ease should have considerably less potential for harm than ecstasy.”

What bullshit - where has it been proven that MDMA is neuro-toxic?

It is so disingenuous to slag MDMA, whilst promoting a drug that hasn't gone through a tenth of the toxicity studies that MDMA has been forced through.

It just gives more ammo to the ignorant bourgeois to claim that “hey even this bloke thinks its bad and he sells drugs”

The pudding however is on the wall. If MDMA was as evil as it was made out to be then our hospitals would be inundated with millions of suffering users.

Yes there are risks to drug use but when people start coming out with bullshit like this you know the driving causes are greed and self-interest.
 
Yeah it is a bad quote, meant to say that methylone looks not to share the mechanism by which mdma neurotoxicity is though to occur, bummer, will try to get it right next time.
 
Well, MDMA causes release of dopamine, serotonin, and noradrenaline, and that all of these, especially dopamine, are thought to be neurotoxic. Methylone causes release of serotonin alone. Not dopamine or noradrenaline.

So methylone is, at least on the face of it, safer.
 
WHY THE SECRECY ON THE COMPOUND
Well done everybody who guessed methylone, it can't have been that hard with the right training, let me just say that those people who had adequate training and knowledge to understand technical information on what they were taking who really wanted to know were given the opportunity under terms of a confidentiality agreement to get full disclosure if we trusted them, but only a select few ever did.
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Regardless of the fact it might be easy for 'some people' to guess, there would seem to me to be something fundamentally wrong about selling a drug without saying EXACTLY what that drug contains. This is one of the major problems with E and other illegal drugs - there is no garantee of what you are getting.

I can't imagine how anyone could make an informed decision about what to put in their bodies without this kind of information.

Why the secrecy? Your above quoted responce doesn't answer this question - it just explains that you've have told some people who agreed to confidentiality and not others.

You cannot protect people through ignorance!
 
^Agreed. And last time I checked wasn't Methylone a Research Chemical? Meaning, that not even the scientific community knows exactly what long term effects there are from using this substance on a regular basis.

Anyways, it's been pulled off the market now, so I guess nothing really matters.
 
Sim0n said:
Well, MDMA causes release of dopamine, serotonin, and noradrenaline, and that all of these, especially dopamine, are thought to be neurotoxic. Methylone causes release of serotonin alone. Not dopamine or noradrenaline.

So methylone is, at least on the face of it, safer.
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I wouldn't consider either of them statements to hold abit of truth, sorry dude. But dopamine toxic, just cause it's released at the same time as seoronin and noradrenaline?:\
 
Dear God.... just think of the Chaos! 1000's of people ingesting Ease and believing it to be equivalent to MDMA! The Ecstasy forum will be overrun by a bunch of people that believe a mild-jittery-amphetamine-type high IS ECSTASY.
 
well then all you people complaining about how this was handled, lets see how you've changed one country's drug classification system. oh thats right, you havent.

fucking drug users. you're all so fucking stupid you cant even realise your own in-action is one reason shit is getting so bad. at least this guy is trying to change things. so things were not done to everyones desires. but he tried full disclosure before, and look whats happened to BZP. he's trying not to repeat the same mistake. Experience comes from mistakes, mistakes come from lack of expereince. how about all you people who slag him off try and help him? your goal is the same, so why the in fighting?

they dont need to divide us, we do that fine ourselves. and we've been conquered for so long we accept that life has to be this way.
 
PureLife said:
Also, how can a drug called "Ease" become compared to something as stimulating as "Ecstacy" hehe. It sounds like the complete opposite. Ease sounds more like an opiate/benzo type deal ( obviously not). Ecstacy well, only you can decide on what that means to you.
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MDMA is not the opposite of an opiate/benzo, it's more like a speedball with a psychedelic tint to it
 
Why does it suck? I've read people on the EDIT forum say that they think the dark angels were quite nice for listening to music on and that they lasted a long time..
 
well you get soo many side effects like jaw and dehydration etc. but never get that high and i was tried for days later like real tried could hardly get out of bed.
 
SWIM took one angel with a bullet and I agree, it was shit. All I felt was monged out unfortunately. Oh well...
 
I think we need to seperate out the EASE from the rest, EASE had methylone in it which is quite close to MDMA and the trial was as to whether consumers felt that it substituted for street ecstasy in New Zealand.

The BZP/TFMPP products substituted for MDMA in small animals but not humans.

The Silver Bullet / Dark Angel products are BZP/TFMPP based. You might enjoy them, you might not but they are not going to be much like MDMA.
 
Yes. I have tried FPP ("Flipiperazine").
Nice body sensations. Don't go overboard, there is a slightly fine threshold between pleasant and unplesant - if you stick to the reccommended dose, all will be good :) . FPP made me want to sit on my arse and talk shit for hours, so if this sounds good to you, then you'll like it.
 
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