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I agree, I think communism is fundamentally at odds with human nature. Its a beautiful ideal but we are hierarchical monkeys. No matter what we aspire to, we evolved in an environment that emphasised the power of force and concentrated power usually within one individual. It is an instinct in humans (I believe) and especially men, to seek surplus resources and power regardless of fairness or the rights of others. I actually think that disparity of resources is the intent of our hierarchy, and it makes sense. There is no power imbalance to exploit if we all have the same. And there will always be someone wishing to exploit it, and it only takes one to tip the system. And if you can exploit it, you can accrue more resources and more power and protect your life and further your progeny. The rest are left lacking as a result unless they too act in similar ways. And it will always happen.

Think of how ridiculous, yet widely understood, the idea of "noble bloodlines" is. Hereditary power is alive and well, and ingrained in our society.

We opened a can of fucking batshit insanity when we settled in urban life. Its unnatural and the problems which have emerged from it are intractable. I imagine the first poor person emerged very quickly after the dawn of civilisation. But certainly after the first rich guy. :\

We're fucked but its not our fault. Its just how we are.
 
I'm pretty certain you would call me communist but I don't subscribe to anyone's theories at all. I simply look at the problem and see a solution. People who have small, closed minds fear discussion of things like communism.

We can't possibly have an equal field in the world. Spreading wealth evenly is as pointless as political correctness. We need to change what wealth is and where money comes from, if we even need to keep it at all. My view isn't even distribution, we must be able to gain luxury by individual effort.

First we need to erase 99% of our current social systems and laws, we could keep some if we could vote on them as one human one vote but fear makes people panic that their idea won't win so they obfuscate the issues til everyone gets confused. Just look at American media or You Tube.

We can fix the planet change our financial structure, end capitalism and introduce a system of advantage gained by benefit provided to our community. We need to end hereditary wealth as "son of smart" is often not so smart. We have an entire generation that should all be training in nothing as there will be no jobs for them, the rich who have the money currently don't need anything so there's no work.... Poor people might need work but they won't be able to afford it so this coming generation is fucked.

I see a shot at entering into a golden age right now, we could decide to do this and end the old ways of people long dead and make the world the way we want it. Laws made by long dead people should not be used to govern the living. We need to make our own and to do it we need to remove advantage and restructure how luxury should be earned. The old ways are broken it's time for real change, I don't think we need to kill each other off because of fear, we're smarter now then ever before in recorded history.

We need to use social media better, advertising and money spent on social media needs to be moved out but as long as capitalism reigns my toilet paper will be covered in ads just like every available place my eyes may come to rest. If we end capitalism advertising is not necessary. We have built so much of our society on the chase of money as individuals we have completely missed the best options for society.

I realize I'm just an old stoner who has an above average empathic connection but I see a clear path forward. Individual co-operation, end of abusive laws, equality of vote (not equality in all).

I want to have a job I enjoy, near where I live I want it to provide me with basics; food, clothing, shelter, transportation, medical help etc. I don't want to run the world just have my say in my small corner, not your corner. We can agree on a method and approach just we have so many unrealistic and restrictive rules and laws that need to die and never return, the 10-20% who currently rule the other 80-90% are not really very enlightened most are educated well but have no skill at applying their education. (I had a friend who was an industrial first aid attendant, when he was stressed by a serious head injury he tried to tourniquet the man's neck).

Our governments make those kind of mistakes daily but they can't look at the guide to governing because we have never written one. We created governments to deal with things we either didn't personally understand or didn't like to do. For me government paves my roads and takes away my garbage, provides me with water and takes 50% of my total earnings to do it.

If we end large government and decentralize it we can begin changing our focus off money and focus instead on people, we just don't need half of everything we make as the cost of taking out the trash.
 
swilow said:
Okay, lets try.

Do we have any avowed communists here? I think spacejunk is but who else? Do we really have more fascists?

I'm reading the Communist Manifesto in page sized bites. Why doesn't Engles get the praise/hate that Marx does? I know very little about the history of the publication though.
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I tell people I'm a communist when I believe it will leave them frothing at the mouth. It's fun to watch. In many ways I am a traditional Marxist. Properly speaking I am an anarcho-syndicalist, believing strongly in revolutionary trade unionism as a way for workers to seize society from capitalism.

I think there may well be, or have been, far more fascists on this board of late.

Engels gets less praise because he was of bourgeois stock, his father being a successful German industrialist. Ironically it was this money that gave Marx his financial support later in life.

I do not believe
communism is fundamentally at odds with human nature
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. I believe, as Marx did, that 'society' began with a primitive form of communism. To co-operate, rather than conflict is the only logical way society could have grown and prospered. However, with the advent of a type of mass agrarianism came surplus resources, patriarchy, and many other things. There was certainly no straight jump to capitalism. The Greeks, for example, placed great faith in an economy largely based on education, philosophy etc. It's why we use many of their theories still today. It used to be cool to simply sit around and think, rather than do/consume. Though I've never seen a good argument against Bacchanalia.
 
The problem is that it only takes a couple sociopaths to ruin everything for everybody. We can't make communism work until sociopathy is totally eliminated from the species. In the distant past, sociopathy and general selfish were less tolerated, but we've had centuries of capitalism rewarding greed and selfishness, teaching society that they're good traits to have.
 
I think I am probably a sociopath.
I also think it's a direct result of years of crack and heroin adiction.
It's made me antisocial.
Tathra I don't think it would possible to eliminate sociopathy.
 
I don't like labels, i'm all about autonomy.
"Environmentalist" is one label i am happy to wear, and "anarchist" to some extent, but as for "Socialism" and "Communism"?

My (extensive) experience with certain Marxist groups is that they are too rigid for my liking. I have many Marxist friends, and live with Marxist/Leninists, but it's not really something i can fully subscribe to, as much as i appreciate and respect comrades that do.

StoneHappyMonday said:
I tell people I'm a communist when I believe it will leave them frothing at the mouth. It's fun to watch
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haha same.
Works especially well for jehovah's witnesses a-knockin' on my door.
Wow - look at that - i got to discuss leftist politics in this thread :)
 
^No one can live with themselves. Unless they unreasonably love themselves.. That's despite the point tho.
 
i'm not sure if you're referring to me, but by "live with", i mean my housemates are marxist leninists :)

one thing i will say in favour of commies is that they're good at sharing, and good to rent a home with, hehe.
 
swilow said:
I hate the shit they've put on metal bands and fans who are totally not fascists. The anti-black metal group can get fucked. I wear some metal shirts, Burzum/Darkthrone/etc, I guess I would be q fascist to them. :\
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Sorry this is about a month late and I haven't been following this section at all, BUT I found something I was searching for...

 
Great band, fucking great. They just get better and better. Morgan has made several anti-immigration remarks but this is the dude who wrote "Fistfucking Gods Planet". Black metal should be offensive. I don't take these guys too seriously...

I understand antifa protesting Graveland but not randomly attacking black metal fans. I like my Burzum "Aske" t-shirt...
 
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I was going to post something regarding the "Stick Man" hitting the one antifa asshole on the head apparently because he was trying to protect himself and others but I didn't want to come off as a Trump supporter because I'm not. But either way, antifa are literally against free speech. I think they even said that in something I saw or read, but really I hope most of humanity just kills it's self off. We're all pretty much the cancer of the earth.
 
nuttynutskin said:
I was going to post something regarding the "Stick Man" hitting the one antifa asshole on the head apparently because he was trying to protect himself and others but I didn't want to come off as a Trump supporter because I'm not. But either way, antifa are literally against free speech. I think they even said that in something I saw or read, but really I hope most of humanity just kills it's self off. We're all pretty much the cancer of the earth.
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As mentioned, antifa are not a homogenous groups with centralised leadership, its a group of diverse people who get labelled 'antifa' by society. I support much of the ideas, but certainly not the aggression and violence towards artists and fans of art.

Humans are fucked, but equally we are the only animal that would ever offer help to the sick, peace and comfort to the dying, resources to strangers, etc. We are also the only animals that appear to rape and torture for fun too. We are such conflicted animals. I can only feel deep compassion for all humans struggling and battling through pain and suffering, for no reason and with no real destination, until we die knowing full well that this death can come at any time for anyone. Given our lot, its amazing that we can get up in the morning.

Good luck humans!
 
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