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Least introspective 4-sub Tryptamine?

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Accounting for normal availability what IYO is the least introspective/most visual Tryptamine?

I have negative experience with 4-aco-dmt, neutral experience with 4-ho-met and extremely positive experience with LSD and AMT (obviously not 4-subbed tryptamines) but now I'm looking to find some "fun" 4-subbed tryptamines.

4-aco-dipt in particular interests me due to the short duration (2-3 hours I believe). Any experience in insufflating this compound?
 
From what I've read, HO-MET is as recreational as it gets from the typical ones. 4-MeO-DALT is widely reported as being very gentle, but not particularly intense at all, and has a duration of around 2 hours.
 
4-HO-MET is for me the least introspective and very visual at 25 mg+ doses. It's real eyecandy with great visuals and the bodyload is very euphoric (albeit on high doses I find the physical aspect is too strong, and the mental effects far too weak + it raises my blood pressure markedly if I go above 25 mg, sometimes I've had to take beta blockers).

I've insufflated 4-AcO-DiPT but its onset is so fast orally I don't really see any point in snorting it. It hits me orally in 10 minutes. I find it to be more introspective than 4-HO-MET too, but both are very physical, the bodyload with 4-AcO-DiPT can be a bit too much for me. I find it to be one of the least interesting, if not the least interesting 4-subbed tryptamine. It's not especially visual compared to the other 4-subs and is less fun than 4-HO-MET (the only 4-sub I use for plain fun).

However, if you're looking for a 4-sub just to have fun with, 4-AcO-DiPT would be my choice after 4-HO-MET. It's very energetic and the only 4-sub that has a quite strong "erotic side" to it, many people feel horny on it. But it's nowhere near as visual as most other 4-subs (including 4-HO-MET).

The taste is absolutely horrific though, 4-AcO-DiPT is the only compound I can't just throw in the mouth and swallow with some strong tasting liquid. The taste just won't go away for at least 15 minutes, even strong bubblegum doesn't mask the taste. I have to put it in capsules.
 
4-ho-met is more fun than anything else, and i also enjoy 4-aco-mipt a whole lot, though some report it as being a bit too manic for their taste.

i hear good things about 4-aco-dipt too, but my few experiences with it were all in combos with other tryptamines.... it was fun though while it lasted
 
4-ho-mpt is purely visual fun. You can smoke it if it's in the freebase, and even orally it only lasts roughly 2.5 hours. No introspective properties IMO
 
^ I agree. 4-HO-MPT was only available briefly about a year ago, but it seems purely visual and hedonistic at the 8-16mg dose levels. 4-AcO-DMT is far too mindbending for such a use.
 
Every trip varies depending on countless factors - whether the sun is shining, where you're taking it, whether the room smells nice, how you're feeling.

Just because you didn't enjoy one psychedelic drug in one situation doesn't mean you won't find it the best drug you've ever taken next week. Psychedelics don't have fixed responses - trips vary massively.
 
Ismene said:
Every trip varies depending on countless factors - whether the sun is shining, where you're taking it, whether the room smells nice, how you're feeling.

Just because you didn't enjoy one psychedelic drug in one situation doesn't mean you won't find it the best drug you've ever taken next week. Psychedelics don't have fixed responses - trips vary massively.
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I use psychedelics to get fucked up safely not for deep spiritual introspection. The constant barrage of self assessment on 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met (to a lesser extent) was mentally tiring and heavily detracted from the psychedelic experience.

4-ho-mpt isn't available to the best of my knowledge. Anyone got any experience with 4-aco-det?
 
cannibalsnail, most people will agree that the 4-sub tryptamines are far more introspective than the 2c-x phenethylamine family... have you not tried any of those chemicals? 2C-I is far more suited to "get fucked up safely" than any 4-sub, IMO.
 
The downside is the side effects profiles of the 2Cs. 2C-I wasn't very visual at doses that didn't involve intense nausea and a prickly bodyload. 2C-E is nice but extremely "headfucky" and has an even worse bodyload. Haven't tried any others (Nbomes excluded) yet.
 
I found 2C-E very recreational at doses below 11mg, not incredibly visual, but still a fair smattering of OEVs.
 
To me the "bodyload" of the 2C's is part of the fun, visuals aside. If you haven't had a chance to take a shower while on a 2C, I think you're not using them to their fullest :)
 
2c-c can be very visual, as can 2c-d.. 4-aco-dipt is pretty introspective if you ask me.

Since you allready mentioned 4-ho-met, i wont.

//blazR
 
I find the 2C-x duration too long except for C & B. I also experience the same problem that you have with most trypts - hypercritical self-assessment. I found this lacking with 4-AcO-MiPT and also with 5-MeO-MiPT. Just "fun" drugs, but the duration is a little long for my taste.

I recommend 4-HO-MPT, which is out there if you look hard enough, and 2C-B. Short duration, high chance of euphoric and positive thinking. Granted I've still had 2C-B put me in some weird places mentally, but it's a safer bet.
 
cannibalsnail said:
I use psychedelics to get fucked up safely not for deep spiritual introspection. The constant barrage of self assessment on 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met (to a lesser extent) was mentally tiring and heavily detracted from the psychedelic experience.
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Yeah but you don't get the same trip every time you take a certain psychedelic do you? How many times have you taken 4-ho-met? Just because you had a certain kind of trip on it once doesn't mean you'll get the same one the next time you take it - unless you let the placebo take charge.
 
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