Least immobilizing, most visual tryptamines?

[Goddess Mode]

Something that I can't help but notice about some tryptamines is that they can be quite sedating on the body. DMT and 4-AcO-DMT have given this effect to me so much that I feel like I could barely move if I tried, or at least at the beginning for the latter. With mushrooms I feel like I have a bit more energy to get up and move, but then once I actually try I usually end up sitting down somewhere and staring off into space almost as quickly as I managed to stand up in the first place.

One thing I really love about LSD is that it has powerful hallucinations like those tryptamines do, but it also comes with a strong physical energy that can keep me up and about for the majority of the experience if I want it to be. I don't necessarily need that much stimulation, but it's just really the ease of lucid interaction with the world that I enjoy from it. While it can be fun and enlightening to dive deep into my own mind sometimes, I also find that some of my most profound and beautiful experiences come from seeing a powerful psychedelic state blending into my external environment as I navigate through it. Because of the energy that LSD gives me while still being strong, especially in higher doses, it tends to produce those kinds of trips relatively easily.

So far, I have a good feeling about 4-HO-MiPT, but I've only tried it one time as of yet. How do other tryptamines stack up in this way? I have to say that I'm curious if other 4-HO to 4-AcO transitions will cause a stronger sedation like 4-AcO-DMT has over mushrooms for me. I'm also wondering how difference in the intensity of mental effects will play a role, and how they will relate to visuals.

What has been your experience with different tryptamines? Which ones would you say are most fitting for this type of outside world exploration while still providing a significantly rich visual experience?

 

[afer]

With mushrooms, the bothersome drowsiness and yawning strangely disappear once you shoot past 5gr dried, in my experience at least. High dosages are actually opposite to the lower ones in that aspect: dreamy sedation is replaced by a manic state...

 

[swilow]

It seems to be somewhat inherent with tryptamines that you may feel quite sluggish and with little of the more typical PEA style 'energy'. For me, the main tryptamines that promote a sort of energy would be AMT, AET, 5-MeO-AMT, and, to a lesser extent, 5-Meo-DIPT. I've personally found tryptamine-stimulation relatively unpleasant and, of the few I mentioned, the only ones I am interested in would be AMT and AET, with the former being a great psychedelic and stimulant and the latter being something that I will probably never find again...

Some people have success with pharamhuasca style preparations, though they have only ever made me prefer calmly sitting/lying mainly due to nausea. In fact, movement when on actual ayahuasca is pretty difficult to me, so I can't see how a pharma-blend would really make a difference.

To make a redundant comment, look to PEA's for stimulation- it seems to be much more so their realm.

 

[afer]

On a side note, aya/pharmahuasca is the least conducive to any physical activities of all tryptamines imho.

With AMT, I feel stimulated indeed, but not in a pleasant way..feels as if either my hand's gonna explode or I'm gonna black out and/or vomit all over the place. Maybe I'm just a sissy though :D

 

[Goddess Mode]

With mushrooms, the bothersome drowsiness and yawning strangely disappear once you shoot past 5gr dried, in my experience at least. High dosages are actually opposite to the lower ones in that aspect: dreamy sedation is replaced by a manic state...

Well then, I guess I'm in for a treat, haha. I've never done more than 5 grams of mushrooms but I just picked some up for the first time in years.... Again I was only able to get 5 grams with it, but I was going to take moclobemide at the same time. That should be fun....

It seems to be somewhat inherent with tryptamines that you may feel quite sluggish and with little of the more typical PEA style 'energy'. For me, the main tryptamines that promote a sort of energy would be AMT, AET, 5-MeO-AMT, and, to a lesser extent, 5-Meo-DIPT. I've personally found tryptamine-stimulation relatively unpleasant and, of the few I mentioned, the only ones I am interested in would be AMT and AET, with the former being a great psychedelic and stimulant and the latter being something that I will probably never find again...

Some people have success with pharamhuasca style preparations, though they have only ever made me prefer calmly sitting/lying mainly due to nausea. In fact, movement when on actual ayahuasca is pretty difficult to me, so I can't see how a pharma-blend would really make a difference.

To make a redundant comment, look to PEA's for stimulation- it seems to be much more so their realm.

Hmm, yeah I don't have an incredible interest in trying any of those either.... AMT *maybe*, but I already don't really care for the kind of body stimulation that MDMA gives me anymore, so I have to say that I'm a little hesitant.... I can't really see myself finding it any time soon anyway though.

On pharma, do you feel like if you didn't have nausea you'd be fine getting up and moving around though? I have heard of ayahuasca trips where people got up and wandered.... When I do take pharma I'll be doing moclobemide + DMT and I often have a strong stomach for drugs, so it may not really be a significant problem for me. I just know that smoked DMT pretty much glues me to my seat... but I would love to be able to move around while tripping that hard.

My admittedly brief experience with phenethylamines (the only one I would feel confident in saying I've truly gotten to know is 2C-I) did show me that they give a lot of body energy, but I just didn't find too much of the visionary or mental potential I like from tryptamines in them.... There are just a few I would still like to try. I'm definitely still interested in 2C-E, 2C-P, and 2C-T-7. But like AMT, I also don't really see myself coming into contact with them any time soon. :S

On a side note, aya/pharmahuasca is the least conducive to any physical activities of all tryptamines imho.

With AMT, I feel stimulated indeed, but not in a pleasant way..feels as if either my hand's gonna explode or I'm gonna black out and/or vomit all over the place. Maybe I'm just a sissy though :D

Wow, that really doesn't sound appealing at all. X) I usually hear pretty good things about AMT though. Do you not care much for stimulants in general?

 

[perpetualdawn]

Once I had a lot of strong coffee with magic mushrooms, and it seemed perfect at the time. I felt sorry for all the lazy slobs who skipped the coffee and were moping around on their slow motion mushroom trip. In retrospect it was a bit jittery and tense, very hard on the guts, and it killed some of the mushroom magic to be stimulated on caffeine. But fun!

I wonder though about combining tryptamines with other stimulants.

 

[Psychonautical]

4-Ho-dipt.
That compound between 15-17mg in a 175 pound male.
is probably the closest thing i'll ever get to experiencing an atomic blast.
Just without the death or immobilization. Pure never ending tides of burning awe inspiring visuals.
4-ho-dipt showed me God in under 15 minutes.
and kept me there for just under 2 hours.

 

[Goddess Mode]

Once I had a lot of strong coffee with magic mushrooms, and it seemed perfect at the time. I felt sorry for all the lazy slobs who skipped the coffee and were moping around on their slow motion mushroom trip. In retrospect it was a bit jittery and tense, very hard on the guts, and it killed some of the mushroom magic to be stimulated on caffeine. But fun!

I wonder though about combining tryptamines with other stimulants.

Haha, that does sound fun. Well the simulation anyway.... The only problem though is that I don't drink caffeine anymore! Partially because of the jitters and digestion problems you mentioned, and partially because it just gives me really bad headaches.... I feel like I can take amphetamine one time and be flying and full of energy and have a totally smooth comedown and that's pretty much the end of the experience, or I can have one drink with a lot of caffeine in it to get a fraction of the high for maybe a third as long at most with more side effects followed by a crash that's twice as long as that and makes me feel like I've had a migraine until I go to bed.... Doesn't really seem worth it to me. @_@

Honestly though I don't really use any stimulants at all anymore, but I'd be lying if I said I haven't wondered how some with combine with psychedelics.... Mostly though, I'd rather just take a more energetic (or at least less lethargic) psychedelic if that's the kind of trip I'm looking for!

4-Ho-dipt.
That compound between 15-17mg in a 175 pound male.
is probably the closest thing i'll ever get to experiencing an atomic blast.
Just without the death or immobilization. Pure never ending tides of burning awe inspiring visuals.
4-ho-dipt showed me God in under 15 minutes.
and kept me there for just under 2 hours.

Oooh, that's good to hear. That's one of the tryptamines I'm planning to get next! I've taken it once before, 25 mg combined with 4 hits of LSD, and it was nice but the LSD pretty much dominated the experience both psychedelically and in terms of giving me energy, so it was hard for me to judge the 4-HO-DiPT in that respect. It was a beautiful combination though; it really added a technicolor visionary aspect to the LSD experience which was more romantic and sensual than LSD usually is for me (it tends to be very lusty for me on its own). I'm really looking forward to trying the 4-HO-DiPT alone, especially now! :D

 

[Si Dread]

I wonder though about combining tryptamines with other stimulants.

I fancied a 4 combo one time, so I took 4-ho-met with 4-fa. I DJ'd at a little fest on the combo & thoroughly enjoyed myself. Long, trippy buzz, very nice indeed.

 

[zn13bt]

4-HO-MET is highly visual without being particularly tiring or stimulating.

 

[Goddess Mode]

Well that's awesome, that's the next psilocin analogue I was planning to try. ^_^ I'm looking forward very much to the future, hehehe....

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

1-2g of strong, homegrown mushrooms reliably wake me up and provide more useful, mobile, creative and social stimulation more than any other drug including coke and amphetamine. MDMA and low dose shrooms are very close in effect for me.

 

[Goddess Mode]

While I do agree that low doses of mushrooms are similar to MDMA, that doesn't really help me, because for me pure MDMA can be one of the most immobilizing of all drugs lol. It also doesn't really fit the whole "most visual" side of the equation.... It would in higher doses; I personally found mushrooms to have even more visual potential than DMT. But then, it loses the energy.... (Except perhaps in the very high doses, as suggested in this thread.) I feel that the only reason lower doses of mushrooms are less sedating is because the trip is less intense, which kind of defeats the point for me.... I'm looking for tryptamines that have this quality even while producing strong experiences.

 

[Tralen]

I haven't tried many of the tryptamines, but I have tried 4-ho-met on several occasions, and it is very visual with almost no body load, even at doses up to 45 mg.

 

[Goddess Mode]

Another vote for 4-HO-MET. I'm certainly looking forward to my first experience with this compound!

 

[swilow]

Hmm, yeah I don't have an incredible interest in trying any of those either.... AMT *maybe*, but I already don't really care for the kind of body stimulation that MDMA gives me anymore, so I have to say that I'm a little hesitant.... I can't really see myself finding it any time soon anyway though.

Well, AMT isn't that similar to MDMA to be honest, though there are similarities. Its a bit more amphetaminish then anything, but quite unique. I'd suggest anyone interested in psychedelics should try it. Highish doses are a bit over-stimulating, quite adrenergic (or so it feels) but really low doses (I mean 10mg and less) can be quite unique.

On pharma, do you feel like if you didn't have nausea you'd be fine getting up and moving around though? I have heard of ayahuasca trips where people got up and wandered.... When I do take pharma I'll be doing moclobemide + DMT and I often have a strong stomach for drugs, so it may not really be a significant problem for me. I just know that smoked DMT pretty much glues me to my seat... but I would love to be able to move around while tripping that hard.

I've had very limited pharmahuasca experience, in that I've had it all of twice, so I can't really judge it that well; but the nausea was bad, and I felt that moving would be difficult. I've certainly heard of people taking oral DMT/moclobemide and being able to go out and dance, but they were pretty unique individuals who also enjoyed driving on huge doses of acid... On more 'traditional' ayahuasca I have had quite a lot of mental energy which doesn't seem to really translate into physical energy, but I have sensed the potential there. I just prefer to curl up and fucking trip out....

My admittedly brief experience with phenethylamines (the only one I would feel confident in saying I've truly gotten to know is 2C-I) did show me that they give a lot of body energy, but I just didn't find too much of the visionary or mental potential I like from tryptamines in them.... There are just a few I would still like to try. I'm definitely still interested in 2C-E, 2C-P, and 2C-T-7. But like AMT, I also don't really see myself coming into contact with them any time soon. :S

I never found 2C-E or 2C-P very stimulating in the way that 2C-I or 2C-B can be. 2C-D is quite arousing though and a great drug besides.

Again though, I no longer possess those drugs besides one, and I doubt I'll make any effort to ever procure them again...

I've been using a bit of 4-Ho-MET lately and haven't really found it to be all that stimulating. Maybe I need to "man up" an try a high dose, though I am inordinately hesitant to use high dose psychedelics thesedayze. Its a great drug though regardless....

A bit surprised at the mention of 4-Ho-DiPT which has always seemed pretty mild and almost absent in my experiences. It seems to require something else as an adjunct perhaps...

 

[FunctionalOlfactio]

You mention sedation, some of those might bring it out less. I woke up feeling sweet and this thread almost had me looped on ordering tryptamines, but I remembered since January the D.E.A. has:


executed 200+ search warrants about research chemicals
made 150+ arrest in research chemical investigations
seized over 20 trillion dollars worth of illegal research chemical proceeds



LINK: http://www.justice.gov/dea/divisions/hq/2014/hq050714.shtml

 

[black53]

4-ho-met

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

^^Yikes! Another reason I stay far, far away from RC's.

While I do agree that low doses of mushrooms are similar to MDMA, that doesn't really help me, because for me pure MDMA can be one of the most immobilizing of all drugs lol. It also doesn't really fit the whole "most visual" side of the equation.... It would in higher doses; I personally found mushrooms to have even more visual potential than DMT. But then, it loses the energy.... (Except perhaps in the very high doses, as suggested in this thread.) I feel that the only reason lower doses of mushrooms are less sedating is because the trip is less intense, which kind of defeats the point for me.... I'm looking for tryptamines that have this quality even while producing strong experiences.

Fair enough, I understand your inquiry better now. Unfortunately I can't offer any further insight on tryptamines. From what you describe you are looking for and what I've read, it sounds like LSD might be your chemical. I've not had it yet though, so I can't comment.

I know you're looking for trypt's, but I've had 2C-E and 2C-I several times and they can be immobilizing in moderate doses but I generally find them very stimulating. I had a batch of MDA in the past, and JESUS that is the polar opposite of immobilizing. I danced for 4+ hours straight without realizing it until the lights suddenly came on and the show was over. Extremely visual, patterns looked like literal conveyor belts! The most "classic" visuals in the sense of how Hollywood may portray psychedelic visuals to be, as in they seem to vividly move on their own accord in very predictable, cartoonish ways, this was close to that. Extremely euphoric and speedy, some of the best nights ever on this stuff. Very toxic though, always gave me a headache at ~+6h.