psycom said:
You make some valid points and Mexico is where it's coming in from. Hairspray I've heard of but did not know it gave it the fish scale look! I've heard GNC's "WOW" does the exact same after wetted down and recompressed. Hard to find. Atlanta and Florida were the only places I've seen it.
So what kind of hair spray is being used anyway? My nearly daily research is into it's 3rd year so I'm always compiling info for a book I may publish someday. I know starting fluid is a good way to add the good old ether smell.
I also agree that any cuts would be cheap!!! But then low grade meth IS cheap. Whatelse would be used for a stimulant? Caffine has a gritty texture.
Professor
I just returned home to the U.S. from Europe, and noticed that I've been missing out on a considerable sizeable debate going here! Man, this is a good one.........
Okay, first off, I'll have to agree with psycom, aka the "professor" on many of the statements he's made. Not all (mostly his political standpoint in regards to the U.S. government, but alot of the other arguments he makes do have some validity). I'm 41 years old, and I'll have to guesstimate the professor is in his early 50's, so he definately qualifies for knowing what the "real thing" is when he does it. He knows that cocaine does not make you paranoid. I'm sure he's also well aware that real coke doesn't make you edgy, ampy, non-talkative, non-sexual, or just want to stay in the house either. He's probably also well aware that you can do real cocaine for three straight days while jumping from party, to party to bar etc. all the while not feeling any uncomfortableness at all. You do alot less of the real thing as well, mostly about two lines every 45 minutes to an hour or so. And in between those lines, you don't feel a constant craving to have to do more. You just feel like you got 8 fresh hours of sleep after doing two more lines well into your second day and so on.
I can't stress this enough, the closest comparison of "real" cocaine is almost identical in every respect to the plateau stage of pure MDMA, but with the exception you can keep on feeling that plateau stage of pure MDMA with real coke for 2-3 days instead of just 4-5 hours at the most with real MDMA. I'd personally pick pure cocaine over MDMA anyday. And remember, I've been doing MDMA since it was legal, so I think I qualify for that statement. The same exact high, except for a longer duration. What would you pick? Now remember, when I make this comparison, I'm refering to the plateau stage of MDMA that occurs right after the peak and not the peak itself, when your eyes are rolling into the back of your head, things are shaking, and your all over every ugly chick in the bar. The plateau stage of which I'm refering to for comparison reasons is right after that when things slow down, you feel on top of the world with a real sense of clarity and can then actually decipher the real good lookin' chicks from the not so good lookin' ones.
Getting to the basics, he is defininately correct when he says that most "newbies" wouldn't know real coke if they landed in a barrel of it. This fact has been evidenced on this very website when so many times I've seen new threads stating that they have just done some "unusual" coke. The thread will then go on to say that it was a really great, unusual type of high from any coke they've ever had before. They'll say it wasn't edgy or paranoid at all. They'll state that it was a very euphoric, relaxing feeling, giving a great sense of calm and clarity and sexuality that they've never experienced before on what they've always been sold as cocaine. In fact, it's almost the exact opposite feeling.
I've always preached that when I first started doing cocaine, that it was always what people nowdays describe as that unusually great, once in a lifetime bag of blow. Well, in the good ole days when I first started doing coke (circa mid to late 80's), it was the exact opposite. Whether I bought it from a guy on the corner, a regular dealer, or any connect, it was always the same thing.................great! Every once in awhile, starting around 1992?, or closely to that time period here in Indy, I started getting an occasional bag of the "nowdays" stuff. Since that was a first time negative experience for me, I would of course dismiss it to probably just doing to much or something. Like I said, these little bags of "no fun" started showing up about once out of every 30 bags in 1992, followed by a rather rapid increase in volume. By 1994, it was 1 out of 3 bags, and then by the late 90's, I was literally getting one "great" bag of the "real deal" about once or twice a year at the most!
Now, the "professor" and my theories may vary a little after that. During the Reagan years, the War On Drugs took effect. Instead of the South Americans importing the cocaine into the U.S. and then risk getting busted more often than ever before, they turned to the always desperate Mexicans to do their dirty work for them and start bringing the coke into the U.S. Now, this is where I feel the real problem is occuring. Fact: Did you know that the Mexican cocaine cartels are now the largest in the world, and no longer the South Americans? Well, it's true! I do strongly believe that the fucked up coke is being produced in Mexico. The South Americans are most likely sending good cocaine paste, freebase, or hydrochloride to Mexico, where it is then broken back down, possibly "active" cuts added (this is any real "active" cut, such as cheap meth, amph., ephedrine, caffeine, etc. to add back potency to their now also heavily duffed up with "inactive" cut cocaine). Popular "inactive" cuts are mannitol, inositol, talc, etc. that do not alter the true effect of the cocaine high itself.
Once this already junked up cocaine hits U.S. soil, it to late. Most U.S. dealers only add inactive cuts, so that's why it's sometimes hard for people to believe that things like amph, meth, ephedrine, caffeine, phenacatine, etc. could really possibly be in their coke.
Now, that's one theory. In fact, that was my original theory. I've since gone back and forth over whether or not the Mexicans are just getting the pure paste, or freebase from the South Americans, and then finishing it up in the so called "crystal labs". The crystal labs are where the freebase is turned into cocaine hydrochloride. If the crystals are not properly washed in the final step, then all kinds of things are left behind such as excess hydrochlorich acid, cocacynamoline, cocamine, and a host of other things that not only alter the buzz, but from a marketing standpoint, also add weight, which means more money for the manufacturer. This theory seems the most logical since the manufacturing cartel in the middle of bumbfuck Mexico really gives two shits whether your buzz is enjoyable or not in Cleveland, Ohio or wherever you live.
Now, if the Mexicans are simply breaking the original kilos down, making three out of two by adding mannitol, then it is quite possible that they're trying to add back some of the power from the now heavily watered down product. If this is the case, then amph, caffeine, or another variant of some stimulant are probably being added as well.
Now for the facts. After writing this thread and then reading the reviews from the many Blue and Greenlighters who have tried just the simple anhydrous acetone wash, I would tend to believe that improperly washed crystals from a remanufactured point in Mexico are to blame for most, maybe not all, but most of the bad effects from the cocaine we recieve from the Mexicans today.
So, in other words, fuck those damn Mexicans for ever getting involved in what should have just stayed a South American trade in the first place!
One final note to support my theory. Ironically, every single bag of coke I've ever purchased while in South America nowdays is always still great. Hum, something to consider........................
Le Junk...................outta here
