Kratom Laughably weak minded individuals.

[daturetard]

With kratom in the limelight and the recent 7oh bans, I've seen a lot of people, former users, advocating for more regulations and restrictions. This shit makes me livid, as the people who act like kratom withdrawal is any worse than coffee withdrawal, they just have no self control.

Like, I saw one dude who broke into a medicine lockbox for these literal gas station drugs, and then tried to blame it on the plant itself for being vindictive or some shit. Like no, buddy, you just have no self respect or restraint. If you cant take the plant because youre weak willed, that is a fucking you issue. If you want to cry for yourself because you got yourself addicted to this shit, go for it.

But when you try and start taking it out of the hands of people who its actually helping with a condition such as pain, actually have respect for themself and the medicine, and know how to properly use it? Thats a big fucking issue. These people are so nearsighted and self centered that they cannot fathom this shit actually helping somebody more than harming them. Like take a step back and realize people use this stuff to get off of NITAZENES AND FENTANYL.

And theyre genuinely just fear mongering. They purport the withdrawal as a heroin level of extremity, when in reality you get a little restless, and maybe shit/puke a few times. Now, none of this is to say that kratom withdrawal is a slice of cake, it sucks in its own way, insidious in nature and a slow burn, as its so innocuous that its as easy as coffee to keep using and sliding down the slope. But to compare its withdrawal to full agonist opioids or anything with a physical withdrawal intense intoxication to it, is a complete joke and should be written off as such.
I really believe it will be upper class, bad faith pundits who have never been through another substance addiction, that get this plant banned, by either intentionally or ignorantly getting themselves addicted to the (already known & proven to produce withdrawal syndrome) substances it contains, and then cry "Wolf!", like, wow, dude. Everyday for years you took a psychoactive drug that activates opioid receptors, and just expected to go back to baseline when you stopped? You really thought thats how it would go?

And yeah, pseudo & 7oh blahblahblah. Ive been through the combined withdrawals, and while it sucked, I am completely fine, and just because I cant control myself around opioids doesnt make the chemicals evil in some way. I just wish people could all see that, instead of pretending to be powerless over drug use. Thats just called being weak. Its still your life and choice to take the drugs.

Opinions?

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Addiction has nothing to do with self-control, no matter what the person is addicted to.

 

[daturetard]

Addiction has nothing to do with self-control, no matter what the person is addicted to.

How? That would insinuate that the compounds themselves have a will and can exude control over an addict, which is factually false. Its not the drug that takes you, but you that takes the drug. The drug has no choice in the matter.

 

[Docta]

With kratom in the limelight and the recent 7oh bans, I've seen a lot of people, former users, advocating for more regulations and restrictions. This shit makes me livid, as the people who act like kratom withdrawal is any worse than coffee withdrawal, they just have no self control.

I don't know if I'd caricaturize your assessment of individual MOR agonist sensitivity/attenuation between differing opioid binder affinities as week minded, while week minded you maybe it's more akin to poor critical thinking and a general lack of knowledge within an area of biologically complex reward systems that link back to pre-evolutionary traits carried over to modern humans.

Your inability to resist the compulsion to post such nonsense without fist conducting any background research may seem on the surface to be the act of a "laughably weak-minded individual" but I see it more an act of ignorance.

Your wording of title and content has set a distasteful tone.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

How? That would insinuate that the compounds themselves have a will and can exude control over an addict, which is factually false. Its not the drug that takes you, but you that takes the drug. The drug has no choice in the matter.

Because, like gut flora, they DO, in a way. They literally physically alter your brain (sometimes not just your neurotransmitters, but the actual STRUCTURE of your brain). So, yes, they DO literally exude control over an addict. In some cases (like alcohol, barbiturates, and to a slightly lesser extent benzodiazepines) to the point where you can literally DIE without them. My partner died from alcohol withdrawal (massive grand mal seizure).

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I don't know if I'd caricaturize your assessment of individual MOR agonist sensitivity/attenuation between differing opioid binder affinities as week minded, while week minded you maybe it's more akin to poor critical thinking and a general lack of knowledge within an area of biologically complex reward systems that date back to pre-evolutionary traits carried over to modern humans.

Your inability to resist the compulsion to post such nonsense without fist conducting any background research may seem on the surface to be the act of a "laughably weak-minded individual" but I see it more an act of ignorance.

Your wording of title and content has set a distasteful tone.

Strongly agree. It comes across both ignorant and judgmental.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

How? That would insinuate that the compounds themselves have a will and can exude control over an addict, which is factually false. Its not the drug that takes you, but you that takes the drug. The drug has no choice in the matter.

You are your brain. Everything you are—the decisions you make, the feelings you experience, the person you are—is a product of your brain. Drugs directly affect how the brain functions, and therefore they influence how you function.

Yes, free will isn’t completely abolished by the effects of drugs; an addict can choose not to use a substance like kratom, even if their brain is wired to seek it. But reducing addiction to a simple matter of “choice,” as if both options—using or not using—are equally easy, ignores over a century of neuroscience and psychology. Addiction isn’t just a decision-making problem; it’s a complex interplay of biology, environment, and psychology.