Job stress, life stress, less time to work out - blah blah blah. Got to a point where I secured a doc prescript for test and have finally adjusted to the weekly needle fun. Overall results are great for everything so far. Now I'm thinking hmmm....I have taken anavar a few times as well and was thinking of reintroducing something small like that again or....?What would be a good baby step up from what I'm doing? I am a hard gainer as well that doesn't have time to spend 1-2 hrs in the gym 5 days a week.Thx all
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Late 30's Want to Dip toe in but not whole foot - advise?
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So you want to take it to the next level.
First make sure you know how to train and eat effectively.
Epistane is a cheap, effective and legal steroid (sold as a supplement).
Each bottle usually contains 90 10mg pills, so you can take 30mg/day for 30 days.
Any longer than 4 weeks and you risk causing unnecessary liver damage.
First make sure you know how to train and eat effectively.
Epistane is a cheap, effective and legal steroid (sold as a supplement).
Each bottle usually contains 90 10mg pills, so you can take 30mg/day for 30 days.
Any longer than 4 weeks and you risk causing unnecessary liver damage.
nolys
Bluelight Crew
The natural choice is to up the test to 500mg or throw in some dbol 30mg perhaps
RedLeader
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To really excel at bodybuilding, you need to fit the rest of your life around bodybuilding, not fit bodybuilding into the rest of your life. And if you're going to throw down a lot of money like this, make it worth it. It should supplement your exiting efforts, not compensate for your slacking. Sit down and really try and fit that gym time into your life. That's really only 5-10 hours per week in the gym. It's not that hard.
If you're already on a TRT dose of pharma test, leave the dose of test where it is, which should eliminate conversion to E2 via aromatase and DHT via 5-alpha reductase.... With Test low which should negate its higher binding affinity at AR, and try something like Boldenone maybe 400-600mg/week...
By bumping up Test you are leaving yourself open to the possibility of side effects, which will necessitate the need for ancillary's....
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nolys
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One thing I need to ask is will the doctor do regular bloods on hormone levels and detect any other anabolics you add in? And if so would it compromise your TRT therapy in any way?
I think you need to do some research into different aas and see what interests you. If you don't plan on increasing test dosage I would stay away from 19-Nors such as deca, it could compromise your whole TRT regime. And as gf said you will want to keep those e2 levels down, either don't go with the extra test or dbol, make sure you have some AIs (estrogen blockers) such as armidex to keep e2 down or make sure you keep regular tabs on blood work. I'm sure if you run in to estrogen related problems the doctor could help you out?
I think you need to do some research into different aas and see what interests you. If you don't plan on increasing test dosage I would stay away from 19-Nors such as deca, it could compromise your whole TRT regime. And as gf said you will want to keep those e2 levels down, either don't go with the extra test or dbol, make sure you have some AIs (estrogen blockers) such as armidex to keep e2 down or make sure you keep regular tabs on blood work. I'm sure if you run in to estrogen related problems the doctor could help you out?
nolys
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Gf you have to remember this guy more than likely has no idea what any of that meant. To a complete noob that can sound like rocket science.
Its kinda basic stuff really nolys, that anyone contemplating introducing exogenous hormones into their own body should be aware of... If not, I'm more than happy to explain..
LONG delay in response - thanks all for the good feedback. I blinked and a couple weeks just went by. nolys - funny comment as its partially true. I have been doing more research of course to supplement the good feedback on here. I also agree with RedLeaders comments. 5-10 hours is easy in principal, but my time demands are crazy right now (hence my absence of reply here). I actually find that to do so I'm basically sneaking in workouts because the wife needs help at home w/ the baby and she isn't feeling like my workouts are as important as helping out. I frankly can't blame her but the way I feel at this point is such a huge contributor to my overall wellbeing that its worth it. I suppose there are worse things I could be sneaking out to do, right? The doc I get the test from also has me on an anti-estro. To answer another question - he is actually an interesting character because, yes, he will be doing a blood test after 6 months - but he is looking at "my" "optimal" levels, less so then my levels in a bell curve-style range. He also has several competitive weightlifter clients so he is savvy to the cocktails those guys put in their bodies.
I have also put a LOT of effort into the diet and rest portion of my approach. I should have clarified that in my orig post.
OK then onto my next question: Genetic Freak - boldenone - looks like you are suggesting 400-600 as a dosage. would you consider that low or medium? I've read about a common dosage of 200-400. Your feedback on benefit/side effects at the different dosages?
I have also put a LOT of effort into the diet and rest portion of my approach. I should have clarified that in my orig post.
OK then onto my next question: Genetic Freak - boldenone - looks like you are suggesting 400-600 as a dosage. would you consider that low or medium? I've read about a common dosage of 200-400. Your feedback on benefit/side effects at the different dosages?
IMO Boldenone is one of the safer AAS... Hence my recommendation.. Unfortunately the undecylenate ester is fairly heavy.. leaving 59mg of actual hormone per 100mg of compound if contemplating 200mg your only actually getting 118mg of Boldenone... The rest is the ester.. So you can hopefully see my reasoning for 600mg...
Boldenone is a particular favourite of mine (having been on the best part of 5 years)... Effects SEEM slow to kick in but the main effect of lean body mass is worth it when it does become apparent (most people don't get water bloat from Boldenone, but you don't really want that effect anyway as its kinda false gain)....
Same with orals... unless your either a competition bodybuilder looking for advantage in a pre comp cut, or involved in contact sports orals are generally a waste of time and money, gains (water) are lost as soon as you come of, so whats the point..??
If on TRT dose of Test why has your Dr put you on anti-estro..??
nolys
Bluelight Crew
He could theoretically just throw the dbol in withoutbumping up the test it would be a quick short beginner cycle seeing as he already has a test base but upon further thinking he may be better going with just a test increase or gfs recommendation, or an oral that wouldn't cause as much aromitisation.
The80killer
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Are you taking estrogen blockers as well? If you start dosing heavy you should take blockers like nolvadex or clomid also throw in a rest day to recover once a week. If your going to get serious about body building be prepared to eat a lot of chicken breasts
Are you suggesting he take Nolva + Clomid on cycle or as part of PCT..??
My bad....!!! I was assuming he'd sneak in a cycle in between his doctors 6 monthly blood testing, finishing several weeks prior to any test... My fault for not emphasizing this..!!
He just tests for test and estrogen levels, nothing more, enough to justify an "accurate" examination of "optimal" levels of test and anti estro. What is crazy is that I take the anti-estro every other day, and if I forget for a couple days I can feel something. Maybe its psychosomatic but I do feel something in my pec/boob region.
Genetic Freak - I guess see my post just before this one to answer: "If on TRT dose of Test why has your Dr put you on anti-estro..??" It seems to be warranted based upon what I feel from not taking the anti estro. Thx for the feedback on the boldenone. Does size matter in your opinion for the dosage? I'm 6'6" 230, relatively in good shape just lacking muscle mass, a true ectomorph
Your a big unit to say you've got low test levels..? I don't believe you should be on anti-E's... What is your dosing protocol..? IE: How much in mg, and how often..?