Lack of THC affecting sleeping & eating patterns

[starcommanderX]

you guys are making too big a deal out of weed withdrawl, which is entirely in the mind, i can only imagine how you would react to an opiate withdrawl.

 

[Blowmonkey]

you guys are making too big a deal out of weed withdrawl, which is entirely in the mind

Listen, you've obviously got trouble reading, or you're just trolling again.. Back your argument up instead of acting like a stubborn toddler. It is not all in the mind.

 

[vilbe]

ever go from smoking heavily to none at all? yea theres something missing. your body isn't happy, your mind is more stimulated than you'd wish, you have alot more energy than normal? why eat, you have no munchies? sleep, pffft its for the weak.


sure your not puking your guts out in physical pain craving a smoke off a foil [heroin], but its there.

 

[21p]

Right.. This guy has no idea. Just let him flow it out and dig a shallow grave for his empty jabs.

 

[S-B]

Yeah, i haven't smoked weed for one week now (after smoking it everyday for 2 months) And i really can't sleep without drinking alcohol or some melatonine. (melatonine doesn't work that well neither) 2 days agow i've been awake in my bed for 5 hours! That's sick!

And about 'not being hungry' I got that problem too. But, on stranges times (for example, when lying in bed at night) i really am! And, another problem is, sometimes I really AM hungry, but when I ate 2 pieces i've already had enought! 10 minutes after i'm hungry again, but get a little sick when thinking about food again!

Isn't that strange? Being hungry, but getting sick when thinking about food?

So, also I am sure weed can lead to withdrawals!

O, forgot about this. Since is stopped smoking, it's even WORSE to remember shit! Especialy happenings with friends (which i never forget when i use weed) Also got alot of energy, my father even called me agressive! Having to much energy isn't that bad luckily

 

[cire113]

Cannabis has activity on a wide range of neurotransmitters (including GABA and dopamine), their action is not the same as that of benzo's or opiates, but neither is that of SSRI's for example, not everything that is physically addicting works in the same manner as opiates or benzo's do, that's false logic.

So wait your telling me cannabis is physically addicting?


As for this bold claim have u ever been addicted to things that are PHYSICALLY addicting and have quit?

Please cannabis is a walk in the park bro...

and for the record we still do not know THE exact mechanism of how cananbis works in the brain, all we know is that it binds to cannabinoid receptors... TO make a claim that it affects dopamine and Gaba is false logic imo(Why isnt cannabis withdrawal even close to opiate or benzo if it affects the same receptors?)

Your rhetoric manner is also a prime example of your hypocritical disagreement towards peole with a different opinionated view...

 

[Blowmonkey]

TO make a claim that it affects dopamine and Gaba is false logic imo

False logic, wtf..? Man, should I point you towards the refs? Because I'm not just talking out of my arse, which, I suspect, you do believe.. I'll quote: "Cannabinoids interact with a multitude of neurotransmitters and neuromodulators, among them acetylcholine, dopamine, gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), histamine, serotonin, glutamate, norepinephrine, prostaglandins and opioid peptides."

As for this bold claim have u ever been addicted to things that are PHYSICALLY addicting and have quit?

Yes, I agree the withdrawal symptoms aren't as severe as from benzo's or opiates for example, but I never claimed they were, can you read? Wait, probably not, because you've missed that link I posted.. I could wait for you to read it, but I suspect you won't out of sheer laziness or the fear of being confronted with hard facts, so what the heck, I'll just copy and paste my old reply again with multiple references for you to pick on.. Have fun.

Despite past skepticism, it has been established that, although it is not common, a vulnerable subpopulation of marijuana users can develop dependence. Adolescents, particularly those with conduct disorders, individuals with psychiatric disorders, or problems with substance abuse appear to be at greater risk for marijuana dependence than the general population.

CONCLUSION: A distinctive marijuana withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and short-lived. The syndrome includes restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, sleep EEG disturbance, nausea, and cramping.

Under "Summary and Conclusions"
http://www.rism.org/isg/dlp/ganja/analyses/Marijuana and Medicine 3a.html#psycho

And a list of some articles:

Didcott P, Reilly D, Swift W, Hall W. Long-term cannabis users on the New South Wales North Coast. NDARC Monograph No. 30. Sydney, Australia:NDARC, 1997:36-41.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&list_uids=10812291&dopt=Citation

Swift W, Hall W, Copeland J. Cannabis dependence among long-term users in Sydney, Australia. NDARC Tech Rep No. 47. Sydney, Australia:NDARC, 1997.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9744119&dopt=Citation

Crowley TJ, Macdonald MJ, Whitmore EA, Mikulich SK. Cannabis dependence, withdrawal, and reinforcing effects among adolescents with conduct symptoms and substance use disorders. Drug Alcohol Depend 1998;50:27-37.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9589270&dopt=Citation

Wiesbeck GA, Schuckit MA, Kalmijn JA, Tipp JE, Bucholz KK, Smith TL. An evaluation of the history of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome in a large population. Addiction 1996;91:1469-1478
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/searc...//carfax/cadd/1996/00000091/00000010/art00006

Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, Foltin RW, Fischman MW. Abstinence symptoms following oral THC administration to humans. Psychopharmacology 1999;141:385-394.
http://www.springerlink.com/app/hom...,134,189;linkingpublicationresults,1:100390,1

Haney M, Ward AS, Comer SD, Foltin RW, Fischman MW. Abstinence symptoms following smoked marijuana in humans. Psychopharmacology 1999;141:395-404.
http://www.springerlink.com/app/hom...,134,189;linkingpublicationresults,1:100390,1

Aceto MD, Scates SM, Lowe JA, Martin BR. Cannabinoid precipitated withdrawal by the selective cannabinoid receptor antagonist, SR 141716A. Eur J Pharmacol 1995;282:R1-R2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7498260&dopt=Citation

Abood ME, Sauss C, Fan F, Tilton CL, Martin BR.Development of behavioral tolerance to delta 9-THC without alteration of cannabinoid receptor binding or mRNA levels in whole brain. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond 23298.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=8278434&dopt=Abstract

MD Aceto, SM Scates, JA Lowe and BR Martin Dependence on delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol: studies on precipitated and abrupt withdrawal Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, USA.
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/c...31e4e607314ee067f9a455b5&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

Aceto MD, Scates SM, Lowe JA, Martin BR.Cannabinoid precipitated withdrawal by the selective cannabinoid receptor antagonist, SR 141716A. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond 23298-0613, USA
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=7498260&dopt=Abstract

 

[21p]

Just because something is a 'walk in the park,' it doesn't mean it's absent of physical addiction. That is your assertion, and it's pretty fucking ridiculous. "Your rhetoric manner..."??? You need to do some more research AND work on your english comp skills (lol).

 

[cire113]

Ok, I dont like arguing over pointless things,..

Thanks for the links Blow, but ive read them all over the years, and I remember when that other thread your pointing out to was made and I read that as well... (They are still irrelevant evidence in referring to your point about physical, as they all talk about pyschologically and/or abstience symptoms)

and 21p , go take benzos and opiates for a few years and quit let me know how it goes....Most of the people making a big deal out of weed withdrawal are just weak minded... Or have truely never been addicted to harder drugs....

Ok, Yes there is marijuana withdrawal but is a serious joke compared to real PHYSICALLY addicting drugs like benzos or opiates....( and i do stress joke)


Quitting weed is most definetly one of the easiest drugs to quit in the world (way easier than caffeine)... Anyone who doesnt know this is simply a pothead who has yet to experience the agony of withdrawal from other substances...

All the threads and talk about weed withdrawal (Pains.Agony,etc) is also a huge joke and embarassment to the overwhelming majority of people who do know that it is a WALK IN THE PARK compared to anything else...

I highly reccomend that all of you complaining about this to never try any other addicting substances on a daily basis, maybe then you will see where I'm coming from, or maybe go read some posts on the "other drugs" forum

 

[Blowmonkey]

I highly reccomend that all of you complaining about this to never try any other addicting substances on a daily basis, maybe then you will see where I'm coming from, or maybe go read some posts on the "other drugs" forum

I've been here longer then you, I've read plenty of stuff on opiate and benzo withdrawals in the other drugs forum, that doesn't change my mind on cannabis being physically addicting, for some people more severe then for others.

Ok, Yes there is marijuana withdrawal

Sou you've been contradicting yourself? Because you were saying that there was no such thing as withdrawals from weed, that it was all in your head.

but is a serious joke compared to real PHYSICALLY addicting drugs like benzos or opiates

YOU, starcommanderx and psychotiKK were the ones who brough it up in the first place, NOONE was saying anything along the lines of "cannabis withdrawal is so much more severe than opiate withdrawals", there's NO reason to be bringing it up, the comparison is ridiculous.

They are still irrelevant evidence in referring to your point about physical, as they all talk about pyschologically and/or abstience symptoms

But that's not why I've been summing up these references. I've been doing that because they all talk about a withdrawal syndrome which includes physical symptoms.

I'm not in the mood to be arguing over this now btw. I'm gonna celebrate new years eve. Have a good one.

 

[21p]

Lol. I HAVE been addicted to opiates, meps to be exact. The withdrawal is worse but it doesn't make pot clucking a figment of my imagination. I've done many other drugs-all of the 'front pagers.' None of them really appealed to me the way marijuana did. Ya know why, cire113? Because people are different. The point is that we never brought up opiates to begin with. You did. Insinuating someone is weak-minded because they recognize the existence of marijuana withdrawal says much more about your self-doubt than your audience, which I will add, is probably dealing with marijuana withdrawal-not opiates. Personally, I had no problem staying off pills after I kicked the addiction. Marijuana has been a completely different story altogether. Its benign societal acceptance is precisely what lead to the many relapses I have experienced in my struggle with it. Am I weakminded? Let me answer the question with another question I'd like you to answer. What makes a person weakminded? Is recognizing what holds you back an indication?

 

[cire113]

Because people are different

Really I had no clue that was true.....

[What makes a person weakminded?/QUOTE]

Wow, i didnt think this was such a hard concept to understand


Weakminded in a sense that you can indeed remain rather content in times of marijuana withdrawal, A sense that there are many worse things that could be happening to you... Weakminded in a sense that you should be able to go about your normal routine or yet feel ever better/clearer with the absence of marijuana in your system even if you were a daily smoker...

That is the problem with most potheads, they overanalyze everything, and once they are out of the haze they panic and are like OMG withdrawal its terrible...

Its called having a clear head congratulations and good night

 

[drug_wench]

i gave up weed easily (before i started taking it medicinally) but i did suffer, and the symptoms i suffered were physical, sum anyway - i sweated like a pig, drooled, felt sick and cudnt eat, even vomitted a few times, and my head hurt

 

[21p]

Wow (what I say in public when someone says something really crazy/stupid). I'll give you my broad definition of what weakminded is. Weak-minded is when someone a) can't recognize what is impeding their forward progress, b) is too afraid to do somethiing about it, c) criticizes other people for dealing with the problem. You've already lost the argument, it was a pretty weak premise to begin with. What is you want to prove now? That we're chicken shit for quitting weed? You've really just done more to prove your own, dare I say it, weak-mindedness. It sounds as though you're secretly afraid to stop smoking pot or doing whatever it is that's holding you back, and need to criticize others for having the courage to face their problems. I'm here to help people (I've rearranged the priorities a bit) -you sir, are sippin' on 'haterade.'

 

[cire113]

dude what are u talking about... LOL i was talking about weakminded in reference to quitting weed ,

Stop posting this irrelevant jargon..

Face my problems? LOL

I dont think i became a millionaire and am still able to be an opiate/benzo addict without facing my problems earlier in life

you'd be surprised how many are addicts that function better than sober ppl

 

[21p]

I rest my case. No further argument is needed, just remember- Elvis was a millionaire.

 

[21p]

One more thing to add, sorry....
This is the same Cire who is a "millionaire"---- (posted a few days ago)

I live with my parents and they cover my expenses Im 21 but still in college...

They said as long as im in school they will support me and they are extremely demanding...
I failed last....

So, your parents are millionaires and you're addicted to oxycontin (50mg/day) while failing out of school? And we're the weak-minded ones?

 

[sorceror]

ive heard that stopping smoking every day might cause some withdrawal symptoms but i wouldnt want to find that out myself

 

[rdbomb]

I get the same thing everytime I quit somking. My appitite is basically nonexistant for a good 3 days to a week depending on how much was I smoking. As for the sleeping problems 3mg of melatonin seems to do the trick nicely.

Edit: I'd like to note that I only get these wd's after a good 4 months of daily smoking. Also the severity seems to be more dose related then length of use in my case.

 

[cire113]

21p, how childish are you, You read through all my posts just to post that lame ass personal attack that has nothing to do with this post lol?

Somebodys jealous..... and is suffering some post acute withdrawals