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Labour warns [the long-term unemployed] "We are coming for you"

If you are fit enough to work then get off your arse and get a job.
Why should I pay my taxes so others can sit around watching TV all day.
My factory is full of eastern europeans,if they can travel to the Uk from another country and find themselves a job,rent a home and pay taxes then why can't the English do the same.
 
How many of these scutters have you actually met smell? How about working on making sure jobs pay a living wage? Wouldn't that get more people in work?

I live in an absolutely rough as fuck area of Bradford, believe me, I've met plenty. I've been on the dole without any experience and very little qualifications myself, and done loads of shite, sometimes outright demeaning jobs - shelf stacking, cleaning, pizza delivery, 60 hour weeks doing back-breaking work in an engineering shop, stacking pallets full of sodding 'Ragu' sauce, the list goes on, point being I've done anything I can to earn my beer tokens and not sat on my arse. I've certainly not made my neighborhood a fucking ghetto style shithole riding round the pavement on exhaust-less scramblers in my hoody.

I'm not some tory toff looking down my nose at folk trust me, and I agree with you on the living wage point, the minimum wage is too low. People still need to take their share of responsibility though
 
Why should I pay my taxes so others can sit around watching TV all day.

Because one day you might need to claim unemployment benefits.

My factory is full of eastern europeans,if they can travel to the Uk from another country and find themselves a job,rent a home and pay taxes then why can't the English do the same

Not always the case - eastern europeans may well be living 10 flatulent men to one flat. If all you had to look forward to at home were 10 flatulent east europeans you'd do any job too. If you've got a wife and kids you need a job where you get the chance to see them once in a while.

In the UK we spent 100 years fighting and dying in trade unions to give us work with some kind of quality of life. You're pissing in the face of all the people who fought to get you a few rights at work.
 
I'm surprised Izman hasn't posted a link to the story of the copper who got shot by Moat killing himself...
 
Since you were so pleased he got shot as 'he was probably handing out tickets to someone with an out of date tax disc'.
 
Are you sure I said I was "pleased" he got shot? Or did you make that bit up to make a "point"?

Not having much sympathy with policemen isn't quite the same as going out and shooting them. There are lots of policemen who would crack jokes about Casey Hardison getting 25 years inside for making LSD remember. Don't confuse the two.
 
I don't live exactly live in Kensington but I don't meet many people who are happy on £67 a week.

Still no excuse for people who point blank refuse to even try, the government can't do everything, at some point people have to take some degree of responsibility
 
Still no excuse for people who point blank refuse to even try

But these people are in a very small minority. It's like using drugs - there'll always be one person who jumps off a building naked on mushrooms, if we follow your logic that means everyone else has to be locked up for possessing them.

You don't make laws for the one in a million exception by punishing everyone. You feel me?
 
@Ismene if one day I have to claim unemployment money then at least I know I have paid over 20 years worth of taxes towards it, so would only be getting a small portion of what I have paid in over the years.
 
I hate the tossers at the top just as much for what they are doing to society too, but thats not what this threads about, but they are just 2 sides of the same coin, there's people at the bottom taking the piss, there's people at the top taking the piss while the rest of us can just get to fuck
 
@Ismene if one day I have to claim unemployment money then at least I know I have paid over 20 years worth of taxes towards it, so would only be getting a small portion of what I have paid in over the years.

True but remember "benefits" don't only mean unemployment benefit - it's also pensions and incapacity pay. If you're in a car crash tomorrow you might need a little more out than what you put in.
 
I pay for my own pension and have insurance if I ever become unable to work through illness etc.
I don't expect the state to look after me.
 
We don't call it on the dole, we call it unemployment. Dole carries a negative connotation here of some charity for beggars.

I am not on the dole. I have a BA in English and had almost finished my masters in Linguistics when I was laid off after teaching 5 years.

I stopped counting how many jobs I applied for once I reached 300. It made me suicidal.

I've had 7 interviews in the last two years.

The bankers and the government in America are the worst gangsters that have ever walked this earth. They are basically the same motherfuckers who brought the slaves here and our top officials in business and in government routinely use the N word to describe Obama. Racism has gotten better for the average American. Our kids all go to school together and we live and work together, no matter what color we are. MLK jr taught us a lot, before they shot his head off. But his message never reached the richest people in America. Guess what? The richest people in America are WHITE. Thank God for Oprah anyway.

The rest of the "wealthy" Black people in America get their checks signed by the TRULY wealthy: white fucks. White fucks that have reaped the benefits of 300 years of free labor.

That worked for them. We are headed back in that direction.

Slavery is definitely on it's way back to America. Most certainly. I have an education, experience, and I had a wonderful time teaching. I miss it every day.

Now the only jobs I can get are volunteer jobs.

VOLUNTEER? That is purely semantics used to disguise the word SLAVE. Obama is a slave too, make no mistake. He hasn't done a single god damn thing since he started. Why?

Because white massas in high towers tell him what he can and cannot do. Rich white people are devils, just like the slaves used to say.

My four grown kids all have college degrees and are working for minimum wage, and one son says it looks like lay offs are coming to his office this summer. They only have half their crew left as it is, everyone else was laid off last summer.

I know England is different than the U.S., but we are both in the same goddam titanic and instead of using wealth and resources to help people, "they" give us antidepressants and benzos and send us all home. Go die painlessly, the sooner the better, and the poorer, the sooner. And so we die.

Everyone knows that the earth is becoming overpopulated and the people with their ill gotten gains are the ones who are going to stay alive and keep their families fed. Everyone else? We die. Thin the herd.

There are SO many deaths like Whitney and Michael's that don't get reported because of society's snotty attitude about drug users.

Someone somewhere, the "they" we never see, gives us the drugs that cause the deaths then labels the dead as drug addicts and not worth two cents to begin with.

People in the U.S. die from prescriptions all the fucking time then get posthumously headbutted for taking drugs. Is it like that in England?
 
You do realise that black people also enslaved a lot of people over the centuries (and today for that matter!), and also played a massive part in America's slave trade too, don't you? I also don't know which channels you watch, but Whitney's and Michaels deaths were massively reported over here. Every newspaper had a picture of Michael on the front, I don't know about Whitney though. All this talk of the white devil is rather humorous though.
 
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And who is the arbiter of if someone falsely believes they are free? Some whiney liberal douchebag who claims to see the bigger picture, and interprets not getting his own way 100% of the time as meaning they're not free no doubt.
 
Hrmmmm..
Hardcore, I know , but:
I believe any decent society should be responsible for it's member's survival..
Where "survival" means at a slightly greater than subsistance level : no luxuries..
Those who require the support of the state should get issued a card form the state bank ( which is where the current govt fucked up -
If we were required to bail a bank out, we should have removed the _entire_ management structure, replaced them with civil servants and made them
"state banks" until they had repaid the bail-out + a tithe).
You use the card to buy neccessities of life ( no alcohol, no nicotine, no sweeties )..
no cash withdrawals, no recreational pharmacology ( which I would also legalise - or at least decriminalise ).

Mock me now .. :)
 
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