Labour warns [the long-term unemployed] "We are coming for you"

[Red Arrow]

What has "working" to do with "taking benefits away"? Arn't they two seperate things? Do you want to see people starving in the streets? Crucifixion too good for em?

but it seems that you are an anarchist?

I'm not an anarchist but several of my very good friends are :D

I used to think you were allright too arrow - you make Attila the hun sound like Tony Benn.

i might have been a bit harsh with my chip on shoulder comment but i dont think ive ever come someone that comes across as so anti-everything online before, lol...

im a bit of a leftie at heart too if i am to be honest (i hate simple categories to pigeon hold peoples political beliefs cos its not as black and white as left and right)

i dont think people should starve but i dont think if there are jobs available for people that they shouldnt be allowed make a lifestyle choice and stay on benefits

 

[Bluebell]

Yes fit enought to work, then get out there and get a job! End of....

 

[Ismene]

i might have been a bit harsh with my chip on shoulder comment

You certainly caught a unicorn off-guard with that one

i dont think people should starve but i dont think if there are jobs available for people that they shouldnt be allowed make a lifestyle choice and stay on benefits

But isn't the economy so shit that there arn't enough jobs to go round? Don't you feel it's a bit of the old "bait and switch"? A bunch of millionaires devastate the economy and the ones to blame are people on £67 a week? Doesn't it smack a little of blaming the Treaty of Versailles on the jews?

 

[Ismene]

Yes fit enought to work, then get out there and get a job! End of....

I know bluebell but there arn't any jobs are there. So why punish people for something they can't do anything about? Arn't they suffering enough on £67 a week? Would you like to see them scrubbing the streets clean with toothbrushes?

 

[Ismene]

The thing is at the end of the day humans have always been forced to work for food or starve, be it the first of us going and collecting plants or the modern person working for a massive business to go for a weekly shop at Tescos.

I thought post-1945 we decided people deserved benefits without punishment tho special? It sort of made up for rich people claiming ownership of all the land and leaving the rest of us with nothing.

 

[Bluebell]

You certainly caught a unicorn off-guard with that one

Is that kind of language allowed around here???

Also yeh I would have them scrubbing the streets maybe not with toothbrushes! And there are jobs, for instance McDonald, cleaning companies, delivery drivers not all the best job in the world but jobs none the less, and surely people would have more purpose with their life, I have had shit jobs in the past, but never ever been out of work, no qualifications at all, but worked hard and proved myself and have a decent job and salary! So I just dont get the money for nothing shit!

 

[Smellmett]

As ever, this argument divides people, somehow it needs to find a balance...

I'm the last person to say we need a return to slavery or people starving in the streets, but boy does it make my blood boil to see the amount of fucking utter jipes screwing fags into their faces, pushing around their latest government-funded spunk rat, surrounded by a mini-army of turf chimps, and up the duff with the next one, just so they can get a bigger house, whilst either fucking the father over for maintenance, or he'e just as big of waste of oxygen as her, couple of whiplash claims on the side ('overtime'). All the time the notion of work being an utter no-no. Cunts.

 

[TheSpade]

do you have something against working?

Working is a load of shit. Let's no deny it.

the routine will do them good anyway

Routine is a pile of shit. Who wants to do the same shit every day, over and over. Routine gets in the way of life.

If you've such a big issue with it stop fucking claiming and go get a job. There are jobs out there, they aren't always the highest paying ones, but there are always jobs.

Surely people have a right to moan when the useless cunts at the job centre don't pay them the measly 50 quid a week. What the fuck are they supposed to live off? It's not as easy as just saying "ah well the dole are useless bastards I'll get myself a job today instead" when there's hardly any fucking jobs in the country and people being made redundant all the time.

I'm not a big fan of working, we work till we die basically, but it's unfortunately how the world works. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like doing, if you can't well that sums up your character entirely.

Who fucking says that's how the world has to work. Create your own destinity, don't work all your life till you die just because that's what society expects of you. Why should anyone do something they don't like doing, we should spend our lives doing things we do like doing, not things that make us miserable. Stop and think about what you're saying. When you're laying on your death bed are you going to think bad happily on all that time spent in the office, are you fuck so do as little of it as possible and spend more time doing what you enjoy.

 

[Ismene]

I'm the last person to say we need a return to slavery or people starving in the streets, but boy does it make my blood boil to see the amount of fucking utter jipes screwing fags into their faces.

But they didn't ruin the country did they. It was the bankers who did that.

 

[Ismene]

Working is a load of shit. Let's no deny it.

Preach on spade!

 

[Ismene]

You certainly caught a unicorn off-guard with that one

Even tho it's actually a direct quote by a black man?

 

[Allein]

I have to say I agree with the underlying principle of 100% employment but IMO you can;t just shoe horn such a principle into the capitalist BS system we have in most of the world today, it just won't work. We can't simply cut all benefits to 1000's of people, the idea is ridiculous in the kind of society we live in.

If we had all our main industries state run and owned then maybe you could implement such a system but we don't an we aren't even moving in that direction.

The only exception I would make would be for those who have committed crime, I would have the some of the ones that were fit and healthy out there doing work for society rather than locked up, it seems more just to me, you take from society so you have to pay back. Of course some would refuse and choose to serve their prison sentence which should be at least twice as long as the working period but that would be their choice.

 

[Ismene]

The only exception I would make would be for those who have committed crime, I would have the some of the ones that were fit and healthy out there doing work for society rather than locked up, it seems more just to me, you take from society so you have to pay back.

But you end up like the USA - where business's with slave prison labour put firms with labour on minimum wage out of work. Even more unemployment.

 

[Allein]

Not if you only use them for community work that is controlled by the local authorities, I know where you are coming from and agree there is a risk of that happening but I think its a risk worth taking. It's more just and there is a huge amount of manual labor, cleaning up parks and public facilities, sorting out old peoples back gardens etc. that I believe they could do.

Allot of this kind of work used to be carried out by the old council workers, but those days have gone, I don't believe that work will be done at all, you only have to look around you local streets and parks to see work that needs doing, I think there is a fairly large group of offenders that could be doing this work, it would not be increasing unemployment, it would be more just and it would in some cases make better people put of them. I would not pay them at all, they would just get what you would get as of you were unemployed in the same manner. Private business would have nothing to do with it.

 

[Ismene]

Yeah I get your drift atm but the council hasn't got the manpower to watch over prisoners in old peoples gardens. Council budgets are being cut - they arn't going to hire an army to run this scheme. It would have to be farmed out to a private security firm who arn't going to do it for free.

 

[swedger77]

When you're laying on your death bed are you going to think bad happily on all that time spent in the office, are you fuck so do as little of it as possible and spend more time doing what you enjoy.

impressive thinking

 

[Allein]

Agreed, it would need great investment, but the sort of investment me,as a tax payer would be willing to make, I agree you couldn't really do it this minute but we should be working towards such systems, at least having pilot schemes up and running buy the country seems to be moving in th opposite direction, I mean what the fek are we doing out sourcing essential services and bin collections (which I worked on for a bit long ago) what a fekin mess.

I am genuinely saddened at the state of this country I know back in the 70's things were difficult, I grew up in them and we had very little money but I look at what we have become UK PLC and it breaks my heart. It isn't what people fought and died for in the 40's

 

[Smellmett]

But they didn't ruin the country did they. It was the bankers who did that.

I never said they did, I agree that the knobs at the top of our so called society have to pay for what they've done, but pouring money down an ever expanding bottomless pit of benefits to scutters that never have, and never will have the slightest inclination to contribute to their own families, let alone their communities or society at large with no questions asked in my book, has to stop.

 

[mattnotrik]

And... what exactly is wrong with this? You lazy cunts afraid of losing your dole??

Upsetting the majority of the daytime BLers

 

[Ismene]

scutters that never have, and never will have the slightest inclination to contribute to their own families, let alone their communities or society at large with no questions asked in my book, has to stop.

How many of these scutters have you actually met smell? How about working on making sure jobs pay a living wage? Wouldn't that get more people in work?